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JerryvonKramer

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  1. Come to really appreciate the Rogeaus on late 80s WWF house show cards, great character work and Jacques is a great smarmy heel. I think if I made a ballot today he’d probably make it in the 90-100 range.
  2. Watching August 88 LA card and Ventura joins commentary in the middle of the card again! I think him and Graham just wanted an excuse to hang out in all honesty!
  3. Just watching this LA card randomly and Gorilla is super critical on commentary during this match. I kinda dig the Gorilla-Graham announce duo though. This match was a bit weird and disjointed. Owen trying to make a name for himself but the pacing was all off for me, maybe Horowitz just couldn’t be carried to something decent but it was all a bit spotty. Can imagine it caused a buzz in 88.
  4. Edit: Ventura’s gone by the next match which is Andre vs Duggan but then Duggan gives Graham the 2x4 to look after and Andre wants the timekeeper to have it and tells him to sit down and shut up. Graham has been super fun on this show. Wondering if he’s a bit underrated in this role.
  5. Cheers mate, pronunciation never my strong point. I’ve thrown in a random House Show tonight. The July 88 LA Sports Arena show. And mid-way through Rockers vs Conquistadors, the second match, Ventura randomly comes out and sits in on commentary so you have an insane four-man booth of Monsoon, Ventura, Graham and Mooney. I believe this was Mooney’s second ever assignment. Before Ventura comes out he struggled to get a word in. Monsoon big timed him a number of times, every time he threw to Mooney he’d bring up his lack of experience and how he’s not knowledgeable about wrestling. “I’ve been around a lot longer than you” etc Several times he flat cuts off or no sells Mooney’s comments and throws to Superstar. Tough gig. Then after Ventura comes out Ventura and Graham drop all kayfabe and just talk about how they remember working out, they start up with gym talk. Graham puts over his calf work. Ventura claims Arnie was asking about Graham’s calves. Meanwhile poor rookie Mooney is trying to get over his scripted talking points about the Rockers and is just being no sold and talked over. Hilarious stuff really. This is all I do now watch random house shows or episodes of Challenge and stuff like that ha ha.
  6. I put a lot of this into a documentary of sorts here. Good to see some old friends in comments.
  7. I've built up a picture now of the broadcast team over the Golden Age. Strikes me that Vince aimed for a team of at least 9 on-screen personalities, 3 who could do play-by-play, 3 who could do colour, 3 who could do the Mean Gene role. The versatility of Lord Alfred Hayes seemed to cover a lot on what I've called "the C-team" since he could do the Event Centre updates and go on colour. He stays all the way until 1995 and is there much longer than you'd expect. There are also I think two distinct lines: 1. The Ken Resnick -> Craig DeGeorge -> Sean Mooney-> Todd Pettigall line 2. The Jack Reynolds ->Rodger Kent-> Rod Trongard-> Tony Schiavone-> Jim Ross line The Resnick line was clearly intended to be able to cover all the general duties of Gene Okerlund with any additional commentary a bonus. Recall Okerlund did commentary in 1984-7, but his chief duties were hosting All American, giving event centre updates and conducting interviews. In shoots both Resnick and DeGeorge have said they were brought in chiefly to lighten Okerlund's load. By 1986 he was presenting All American, Spotlight, TNT and doing all his usual stuff and was getting burnt out. The Reynolds like was clearly intended as a long-term Monsoon replacement, since I've heard that Monsoon ideally just wanted to present Prime Time with Heenan and would have happily dropped Challenge or his House Show stuff. Reynold, Kent and Trongard are all searches for that replacement but it's really when Tony comes in that you can see it as they stick Tony on Challenge and one suspects it was with a view to phase Monsoon out. However, that didn't happen because he left. The eventual replacement would end up being Jim Ross. By 1991, Mooney -- who stuck around much longer than Resnick or DeGeorge, had built enough enough experience to cover play-by-play and it seems Mooney and Hayes recorded voice overs for all the Prime Times from the debut of the new format starting February 18th 1991. You can see the January 91 Primetime shows still have different commentators. By this stage, they use a format where there's the odd match from MSG and Superstars plus Prime Time exclusive matches from TV tapings for Superstars and Challenge. It seems that by 1992, there was a Prime Time banner and someone who went live will have to explain how that worked since the exact same tapings later then have a Superstars set (with a screen). They must have taken those banners down live. The situation with different commentary teams on Prime Time -- if it was something that bothered Vince -- took at least six years to bother him. I have found one episode of Prime Time from May 11 1987 which has an absurd number of commentators (Gorilla Monsoon, Bobby Heenan, Vince McMahon, Jesse Ventura, Bruno Sammartino, Dick Graham, Ken Resnick, Lord Alfred Hayes & Ron Bass). I watched through it and it actually helped to make you think there was tons of stuff going on from many different places, so I kinda liked it. The 91-2 Prime Times with Mooney and Hayes on commentary feel much smaller. Also watching back some of the 1990 Superstars aroud the time Piper comes in to replace Ventura and Vince is JUST INSANE on those shows. The whole product feels like it is on coke around that time!
  8. I have now added Maple Leaf Garden broadcasts to the spreadsheet. Do any old Canadians (my old mate Kelly?) know who actually broadcast the MLG shows in Canada? Were they broadcast at all in US or were these shows exclusive to Canada? Gorilla seems to dominate the MLG broadcasts and notably much less varienty there, although it does seem like Sean Mooney was "trained up" there and Ventura to some extent in 1985. Regular broadcasts seem to get increasingly spotty from 1988 and in the final two years it is handed soley to the Mooney / Hayes "C-team" extraordinaire.
  9. This seems to have emerged since I made this thread and is just awesome. One of the absolute best Dory singles matches after the 70s. Loved it. Real intensity.
  10. Nice to see you're still active on this board! 

  11. While people are listing specific moves: Harley Race knee drop Greg Valentine elbow drop Jumbo running knee Ted DiBiase fist drop Bobby Heenan turnbuckle bump Ted DiBiase “180” vertical bump Flair flop Greg Valentine “tree trunk” face plant or back bump Bob Orton Jr Superplex Barry Windham Suplex into a pinfall Kobashi “fire” hulk up Dory Funk Jr Butterfly Suplex Dory Funk Jr forearm Billy Robinson European Uppercut Paul Orndorff piledriver Sgt Slaughter bump from top / turnbuckle Stan Hansen lariat Jumbo running clothesline
  12. Okay in that case highest floor is 100% either Arn Anderson or William Regal. Highest ceiling to my mind is Hase or Yatsu.
  13. Going with just one per: Selling: Jack Brisco Comebacks: Bruno Basing: not familiar with this term Control Segments: Yatsu Charisma: Hogan Being a face: Steamboat Being a heel: DiBiase Face in Peril: Morton Hot tags: Jumbo On the mic: Flair Adding intensity to feuds: Terry Brawling: Terry Athleticism: Savage Ring IQ: Bockwinkel Highest floor: not sure what means Highest ceiling: ditto TV matches: Garvin Big matches: Flair Best looking/most impactful offense: Hansen Best arena: MSG
  14. Sorry to resurrect an old thread but a much simpler way of putting the above is: Syndication WWF Superstars = WCW Worldwide WWF Challenge = MACW / WCW Pro Cable WWF Prime Time = World Championship Wrestling / Saturday Night WWF All American = Power Hour or Main Event All American was always a recap show while Power Hour and Main Event were meant to be proper shows, and after Turner bought our Crockett it seems they used their ownership of the station and the wrestling company to load up TBS. Seems Vince was content or had to make do with just two shows on USA for a long time. WWF Spotlight was a syndicated alternative to All American and again was a pure recap show.
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