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Sting, Lex Luger & Randy Savage vs Scott Hall, Kevin Nash & Hulk Hogan (WCW Bash at the Beach 07/07/96)

WCW Bash at the Beach July 7 1996 Daytona Beach FL Sting Lex Luger Randy Savage Scott Hall Kevin Nash Hulk Hogan NWO

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Posted 05 December 2010 - 09:59 AM

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Posted 07 January 2011 - 08:30 PM

So this is the big match that launched the NWO. This was really booked well. Taking out Luger made it seem like he might be a suspect, Sting 'accidentally' taking out Luger made it look like he might be a suspect, and they have a below average match, but the heat is through the roof, and the surprise definitely delivered on the hype. Looking forward to seeing all the week-to-week Hollywood Hogan stuff again. This remains the most famous last five minutes on a show in PPV history.

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Posted 07 January 2011 - 10:09 PM

Rewatching it, what were your feelings about "YEAH, BUT WHOSE SIDE IS HE ON?"?

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Posted 08 January 2011 - 09:24 AM

Rewatching it, what were your feelings about "YEAH, BUT WHOSE SIDE IS HE ON?"?


It was pretty terrible. The Great American Bash with Heenan not at the broadcast booth was so much better. Dusty and Tony worked really well together. Heenan sat there and told jokes, but only spoke in generalizations about the wrestling. He never really had any genuine observations that gave any clue that he was paying attention to what he was watching.

But anyway, that's not what you asked me. It really did take away from the moment a lot, especially when this time period may have been Tony Schiavone at his best.

Heenan's timing was also really off. The "Hulk Hogan has betrayed WCW" soundbyte came a little too soon, because he didn't really reveal himself as the third man until Hall and Nash got back in the ring and hi-fived him.

"Hulk Hogan, you can go to hell. Straight to hell" is a great Schiavone line, considering that this is a pretty square guy who regularly went out of his way to say "Oh my goodness" regularly instead of taking the Lord's name in vain.

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Posted 08 January 2011 - 02:58 PM

I have to admit Bobby comparing Psychosis to Peg Bundy in the opener of Bash at the Beach 96 always gets a laugh out of me. Tenay almost breaks several times trying not to laugh at Bobby's (and Dusty's) jokes. WCW was always a more serious product than the WWF and Bobby seemingly could not adjust save a few instances I guess the same can be said for Cornette not being able to adjust to the WWF style

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Posted 08 January 2011 - 03:04 PM

I didn't think Heenan took away from the moment at all. I remember watching it as a 16 year old in my pre-internet days and when Heenan said "but whose side is he on?" it just kind of made me think "no...they wouldn't, would they?" then Hogan dropped the leg on Savage and brought the holy shit moment. In retrospect if Heenan had been clamoring for Hogan to get to the ring that would have been a worse giveaway because they'd been bitter enemies for 15 years and Heenan had NEVER said a nice word about Hogan on TV.

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Posted 08 January 2011 - 05:17 PM

I always thought that one of the nice touches of the NWO angle, was Bobby being all "I've been trying to tell you people for years!" about Hogan.

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Posted 09 January 2011 - 12:45 AM

It;s been a long time since I've seen this and i can see how it pissed some people off, but I also took it as heenan never trusted hogan.

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Posted 09 January 2011 - 05:56 AM

It;s been a long time since I've seen this and i can see how it pissed some people off, but I also took it as heenan never trusted hogan.


For decades, Heenan hated Hogan. Having him cheer Hogan as saviour would be wrong. The "you can't trust him" tone fitted perfectly with Heenan's character. Remember he also used to keep suggesting Dusty would be the third man too

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Posted 09 January 2011 - 08:25 AM

I think he should have just stayed completely silent at first.

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Posted 09 January 2011 - 09:05 AM

Probably difficult for Heenan and the crew to know exactly what to say (or not to say) considering I believe they were left entirely in the dark as to the identity of the mystery man, or how the angle was to unfold.

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Posted 09 January 2011 - 09:42 AM

Even "I'm not sure I've ever been so happy to see Hulk Hogan" would have been better. If WCW left them completely in the dark, that is pretty amateur. Either way, it subtracted from the moment. But if I'm not mistaken, wasn't the possibility of Hogan turning kind of an open secret? I know he didn't agree to it until the last minute, but even PWI Weekly had a "Will Hogan join Diesel and Ramon?" headline a few weeks in advance. Not sure what the WON reported about it in the weeks before the show.

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Posted 09 January 2011 - 08:06 PM

The Torch from the week before BATB was reporting that Hogan was the most likely partner. One interesting note from that issue of the Torch is that WCW had gimmick names planned for Hall and Nash that were in the process of being cleared for trademark issues, but if they didn't clear by the PPV they would just use their real names.

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Posted 10 January 2011 - 01:43 AM

I gotta tell ya, I watched this PPV live and I don't even remember Heenan saying "YEAH, BUT WHOSE SIDE IS HE ON?" At the time, it was just a chaotic scene on TV and all the announcing wasn't registering all that much. I think the whole "BOBBY HEENAN RUINED IT" shit is a result of people re-watching it over and over as well as people reading what Heenan said and going back to watch it again to this day and saying, "Hey, he DID say that!"

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Posted 10 January 2011 - 02:42 AM

I think it's partly that and also maybe partly due to WWE editing out that line at least a few times when it was aired on a couple of DVD releases. When you watch it now the line sort of stands out since your brain is subconsciously used to it being gone. Personally, I thought it was one of the great announcer performances in WCW ever. Loss already covered Tony being disgusted enough to use mild profanity (which from him had the effect of an f-bomb), and Heenan finally being vindicated but not being able to enjoy it due to the enormity of the situation. Even Mean Gene looked like he wanted to fight someone in the post match interview (which may have been legit since he had to stand in the ring while it was getting bombarded with trash).

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Posted 10 January 2011 - 11:30 AM

Tony Schiavone's last line is simply one of the best ever, and the delivery was perfect. Before he got disgusted with WCW, Schiavone, at his best, was a damn good wrestling announcer.

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Posted 10 January 2011 - 11:39 AM

FWIW, Scott Hall did say in his Torch Talk that there was a lot of heat on Heenan for that, and that when he and Nash watched the tape back, they couldn't believe he said that. WCW was pretty attentive to detail at this point. They had clearly communicated to Heenan that they didn't want him praising the NWO. Somewhere along the way, someone probably dropped the ball. Either Heenan was given no guidance and was left in the dark, or he fumbled. I agree that it's not a huge deal, and that the moment is a classic moment with or without that line, but it is worth discussing whether or not it was the right thing to say. It stood out because at this point, WCW was so good at thinking through small things like that. I would think that the producers would have thought as soon as the Hogan turn was a go, "How should we handle Heenan?" Again, I think letting Dusty and Tony do the talking until after the turn would have been the simplest way to handle it, but I also have the benefit of 15 years of hindsight. While I do disagree with those who think it was logical for him to say that and see the point about how Heenan was vindicated, I do see the logic behind that argument too. Changing the subject, this has to be one of the top heel promos of all time, right?

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Posted 10 January 2011 - 02:47 PM

In terms of $$$, yes... in terms of "he's an evil bastard", I wouldn't call it on a par with Jake's at Survivor Series etc...

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Posted 10 January 2011 - 08:22 PM

Tony Schiavone's last line is simply one of the best ever, and the delivery was perfect. Before he got disgusted with WCW, Schiavone, at his best, was a damn good wrestling announcer.


Schiavone and Jesse are my favourite WCW announcing pair. I never really felt he gelled with Bobby right from the get go, but it's a damn shame that Schiavone became so loathed during the Monday Night Wars.

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Posted 10 January 2011 - 10:59 PM

I always thought it would be more in character for Heenan to praise Hogan and the nWo. Hes a weasel, what is more weaselly than sucking up to a guy you hated for years because you think he has the power.





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