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#21 KrisZ

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Posted 06 December 2010 - 08:51 PM

After the Memphis crowds stunk in 1984, they stayed away from Memphis for 2 years but never really succeeded here. CWA @ Memphis, TN – Mid-South Coliseum – September 8, 1986 Lou Winston d. Jeff Van Horne Jerry Bryant d. Lou Winston Paul Diamond & Tracy Smothers d. The Mod Squad Davey Haskins fought Mike Jackson to a draw Fire, Flame, & Torch d. Cousin Junior, Stan Frazier, & Killer Jeff Jarrett & Pat Tanaka d. Memphis Vice Tracy Smothers d. The Ninja Austin Idol d. The Great Kabuki by DQ Southern Heavyweight Title: Jerry Lawler d. Bam Bam Bigelow © WWF @ Memphis, TN - Mid-South Coliseum - September 11, 1986 (5,000) WWF World Champion Hulk Hogan defeated Iron Sheik Also included Roddy Piper Don't have the crowd numbers for Jarrett's show as Mark's book didn't have it either. CWA @ Memphis, TN – Mid-South Coliseum – December 12, 1988 (1,400) Tracy Smothers d. Mike Davis IWGP Heavyweight Title: Tatsumi Fujinami © d. Tommy Lane Brian Lee d. Sid Vicious by DQ Beauty & The Beast d. Jeff Jarrett & Scott Steiner Wendell Cooley & Bill Dundee d. Robert Fuller & Jimmy Golden AWA World Heavyweight Title: Jerry Lawler © d. Kamala WWF @ Memphis, TN - Mid-South Coliseum - December 16, 1988 WWF World Champion Randy Savage defeated Rick Rude Also included The Hart Foundation CWA @ Memphis, TN – Mid-South Coliseum – March 6, 1989 Action Jackson d. Brian Lee The Wrestling Machines d. Frank & Phil Hickerson CWA Tag Titles: Robert Fuller & Jimmy Golden © d. Jed Grundy & Jungle Jim Handicap Match: John Paul & Tracy Smothers d. Samurai, Shogun, & Tojo Yamamoto Bill Dundee & Ricky Morton d. Dutch Mantell & Master of Pain Jeff Jarrett d. Buddy Landell Unified Heavyweight Title: Jerry Lawler © d. Tommy Rich by DQ WWF @ Memphis, TN - Mid-South Coliseum - March 9, 1989 (6,000) Paul Roma pinned Barry Horowitz Rick Martel fought King Haku to a time-limit draw Brutus Beefcake pinned Ted Dibiase Hercules defeated Dino Bravo via disqualification Arn Anderson & Tully Blanchard defeated The Rockers Bret Hart fought Honkytonk Man to a double count-out Koko B. Ware pinned the Gladiator Hulk Hogan pinned the Big Bossman CWA @ Memphis, TN – Mid-South Coliseum – July 31, 1989 Gary Albright d. Doug Gilbert Cousin Junior & Stan Frazier d. Chris Champion & Mark Starr by DQ Nightmare Freddy d. The Zombie by DQ Tony Anthony & Black Bart d. Bill Dundee & Dustin Rhodes Jeff Jarrett & The Rock n Roll Express d. Brickhouse Brown, Iceman Parsons, & Harold Harris Steel Cage: Dutch Mantell d. Master of Pain Unified World Heavyweight Title: Jerry Lawler © d. Bam Bam Bigelow by DQ WWF @ Memphis, TN - Mid-South Coliseum - August 4, 1989 (5,700) Boris Zhukov pinned Mark Young Koko B. Ware defeated the Genius via disqualification Rick Martel pinned Tito Santana by using the ropes for leverage Ted Dibiase pinned Hillbilly Jim by using the ropes for leverage Jimmy Snuka pinned Honkytonk Man King Jim Duggan pinned Haku Randy Savage defeated WWF World Champion Hulk Hogan via count-out (Hogan's return match after suffering a pinched nerve)

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Posted 06 December 2010 - 09:28 PM

I saved the best for last with the Invasion of the ATL AUGUST 25, 1984 – ATLANTA, GA – OMNI AUDITORIUM (Vince McMahon – Promoter) > Big John Studd d. Tiger Chung Lee > Nikolai Volkoff d. Rocky Johnson > Paul Orndorff d. S. D. Jones > Junkyard Dog d. George Steele > Battle Royal: Andre the Giant (Winner) > WWF Women’s World Title Match: Wendi Richter © d. the Fabulous Moolah > Les Thornton and Bob Orton, Jr., went to a draw > Iron Sheik d. Sgt. Slaughter by DQ > Andre the Giant d. the Spoiler > WWF World Heavyweight Title Match: Hulk Hogan © d. David Shults AUGUST 26, 1984 – MARIETTA, GA – COBB COUNTY CIVIC CENTER (Ole Anderson – Promoter) > Jerry Oates d. the Italian Stallion > Tim Horner d. Ted Oates > Masked Superstar d. the Spoiler (Steve Starr) > Ron Garvin d. 666 by DQ > Bob Roop & Ted DiBiase d. Ole Anderson & Brad Armstrong WWF smoked them on that one for sure. SEPTEMBER 9, 1984 – ATLANTA, GA – OMNI AUDITORIUM (Ole Anderson – Promoter) > Jerry Oates d. Italian Stallion (Stallion subbed for 666) > The Hollywood Blonds d. Tony Atlas & Tim Horner > Brad Armstrong d. Paul Ellering > Jimmy Valiant d. Austin Idol > Indian Strap Match: Bob Armstrong d. Ted DiBiase by DQ > Round Robin Match: Dusty Rhodes d. Stan Hansen and Masked Superstar > Cage Match: Ron Garvin d. Jake Roberts SEPTEMBER 25, 1984 – ATLANTA, GA – OMNI AUDITORIUM (Vince McMahon – Promoter) > Junkyard Dog d. George Steele > Nikolai Volkoff d. Rocky Johnson > Paul Orndorff d. S. D. Jones > WWF Women's World Title Match: Wendi Richter © d. the Fabulous Moolah > Les Thornton and Bob Orton, Jr., went to a draw > Sgt. Slaughter d. Iron Sheik > WWF World Heavyweight Title Match: Hulk Hogan © d. David Shults OCTOBER 5, 1984 – ATLANTA, GA – OMNI AUDITORIUM (Vince McMahon – Promoter) > Women’s Match: Susan Starr d. Lelani Kai > Nikolai Volkoff d. Rick McGraw > Mr. Wrestling II d. Rene Goulet > Roddy Piper d. Jay Strongbow > Junkyard Dog d. Mr. Fuji > Jack & Jerry Brisco d. the Moondogs > Paul Orndorff d. Ivan Putski > WWF World Heavyweight Title Match: Hulk Hogan © d. Big John Studd by CO OCTOBER 14, 1984 – ATLANTA, GA – OMNI AUDITORIUM (Ole Anderson – Promoter) > The Italian Stallion d. Ted Allen > Ox Baker d. Frankie Lane > Jerry Oates d. Mr. Ito > Ivan Koloff d. Tim Horner > Brad Armstrong d. Tully Blanchard by DQ > NWA World Television Title Match: Ron Garvin d. Bob Roop © by DQ > National Tag Team Title Match: the Hollywood Blonds © versus Tommy Rich & Tony Atlas ruled a NC > Canadian Lumberjack Match: Bob Armstrong d. Ted DiBiase > Battle Royal: Ron Garvin (Winner) WWF still smoking Ole out here. OCTOBER 26, 1984 – ATLANTA, GA – OMNI AUDITORIUM (Vince McMahon – Promoter) > Mr. Wrestling II d. Jerry Valiant > David Sammartino d. Mr. Fuji > The Spoiler d. Salvatore Bellomo > Brutus Beefcake d. Rick McGraw > Ken Patera d. Tony Garea > Junkyard Dog d. David Shults > Nikolai Volkoff d. Sgt. Slaughter by DQ > Andre the Giant d. Kamala > Inter-Continental Heavyweight Title Match: Greg Valentine © d. Tito Santana NOVEMBER 18, 1984 – ATLANTA, GA – OMNI AUDITORIUM (Ole Anderson – Promoter) > National Tag Team Title Tournament: Ole Anderson & Thunderbolt Patterson d. the New York Assassins by CO The Hollywood Blonds d. Jerry Oates & Ron Ritchie Brad Armstrong & Jacques Rougeau d. Bob Roop & the Italian Stallion Jimmy Valiant & Jerry Lawler d. Ox Baker & Mr. Ito The Road Warriors d. Ron Slinker & Frankie Lane The Long Riders d. Tommy Rich & Randy Savage Armstrong & Rougeau d. the Blonds Valiant & Lawler d. the Warriors The Riders d. Valiant & Lawler The Riders d. Armstrong & Rougeau to win title Ron Garvin versus Wahoo McDaniel ruled a NC This was billed as the big Thanksgiving card that was held yearly and this is the reason why. NOVEMBER 22, 1984 – ATLANTA, GA – OMNI AUDITORIUM (Vince McMahon – Promoter) > Paul Orndorff d. Abe Jacobs > Iron Sheik d. Rick McGraw > Junkyard Dog d. Rene Goulet > Bret Hart and Les Thornton went to a draw > Mike Rotondo d. Johnny Valiant > Mr. Wrestling II d. Brutus Beefcake by DQ > Jack & Jerry Brisco d. Terry Gibbs & the Spoiler > Nikolai Volkoff versus Sgt. Slaughter ruled a NC > Battle Royal ($10,000): Paul Orndorff (Winner) Mil Mascaras, Rick McGraw, Jerry Brisco, Jack Brisco, Mr. Wrestling II, Barry Windham, Blackjack Mulligan, Jay Strongbow, Junkyard Dog, Kamala, Paul Orndorff, Rene Goulet, the Spoiler, Iron Sheik, Brutus Beefcake, Johnny Valiant, Terry Gibbs and David Sammartino participated DECEMBER 2, 1984 – ATLANTA, GA – OMNI AUDITORIUM (Ole Anderson – Promoter) > Eddie Gilbert d. Jerry Oates > Mike Sharpe d. the Italian Stallion > The Hollywood Blonds d. Steve Constance & Tim Ashley > Rick Rude & Jacques Rougeau versus the Dirty White Boys ruled a NC (Rougeau subbed for Ron Ritchie) > NWA World Television Title Match: Bob Roop © versus Jimmy Valiant ruled a NC > National Heavyweight Title Match: Ron Garvin © d. Ox Baker > Southern Heavyweight Title Match: Jerry Lawler © d. Kamala > National Tag Team Title Match: the Long Riders © d. Tommy Rich & Brad Armstrong (Armstrong subbed for Bob Armstrong) > Ole Anderson & Thunderbolt Patterson d. King Kong Bundy & Giant Frazier DECEMBER 25, 1984 – ATLANTA, GA – OMNI AUDITORIUM (Vince McMahon – Promoter) > David Sammartino versus Mr. Wrestling II – result unknown > Mike Rotondo versus Spot – result unknown > Barry Windham versus Rex – result unknown > Tony Atlas versus Terry Gibbs – result unknown > WWF Women’s World Title Match: Wendi Richter © versus Judy Martin – result unknown > Blackjack Mulligan versus Iron Sheik – result unknown > WWF World Tag Team Title Match: The North-South Connection © versus Jack & Jerry Brisco – result unknown > WWF World Heavyweight Title Match: Hulk Hogan © d. Paul Orndorff Vince also gets Christmas as well so he had the big edge here. JANUARY 1, 1985 – ATLANTA, GA – OMNI AUDITORIUM (Ole Anderson – Promoter) > Tommy Rogers and the Italian Stallion went to a draw > Len Denton d. Jerry Oates > Brian Adidas d. Chick Donovan > Ron Ritchie d. Ox Baker by DQ > Ron Slinker d. Bob Roop by DQ > Tag Team Battle Royal ($50,000): the Long Riders (Winners) Manny Fernandez & Dusty Rhodes, the Dirty White Boys, the Fabulous Ones, Tully Blanchard & Bob Roop, the Hollywood Blonds, and Tommy Rich & Michael Hayes participated > Ole Anderson & Thunderbolt Patterson d. the Terminators > Tommy Rich & Abdullah the Butcher d. the Long Riders > National Heavyweight Title Match: Ron Garvin © d. Ox Baker (Baker subbed for Wahoo McDaniel) JANUARY 11, 1985 – ATLANTA, GA – OMNI AUDITORIUM (Vince McMahon – Promoter) > Mr. Wrestling II d. Terry Gibbs > Barry Windham d. Rex > Mike Rotundo d. Rene Goulet > Nikolai Volkoff d. S. D. Jones > Texas Death Match: Blackjack Mulligan d. Iron Sheik > Tito Santana d. Greg Valentine by CO > Big John Studd & Ken Patera d. Andre the Giant & Junkyard Dog by DQ FEBRUARY 3, 1985 – ATLANTA, GA – OMNI AUDITORIUM (Vince McMahon – Promoter) > Les Thornton d. Rick McGraw > Mr. Wrestling II d. Spot > Tony Atlas d. Rex > David Sammartino d. David Shults > Paul Orndorff d. George Wells > Roddy Piper d. Tito Santana by CO > Big John Studd and Andre the Giant went to a draw > The North-South Connection d. Jack & Jerry Brisco FEBRUARY 24, 1985 – ATLANTA, GA – OMNI AUDITORIUM (Vince McMahon – Promoter) > Les Thornton d. Rene Goulet > David Sammartino d. Spot > Jay Strongbow & Mr. Wrestling II d. Nikolai Volkoff & Iron Sheik by DQ > Women’s Match: Desiree Peterson d. Peggy Lee > Jimmy Snuka & Junkyard Dog d. Roddy Piper & Bob Orton, Jr., by DQ > Jim Neidhart d. S. D. Jones > Inter-Continental Heavyweight Title Match: Greg Valentine © d. Tony Atlas > Hillbilly Jim d. Rex FEBRUARY 24, 1985 – MARIETTA, GA - COBB COUNTY CIVIC CENTER (Ole Anderson – Promoter) > Tommy Lane d. the Big O > Mike Davis d. Chick Donovan > Mike Davis d. Doug Somers > Bob Roop & Ron Starr d. Ron Garvin & the Italian Stallion > Ole Anderson d. Scott Irwin > Tommy Rich d. Rip Rogers Ole is dying here. MARCH 3, 1985 – ATLANTA, GA – THE OMNI (Ole Anderson – Promoter) > Devil Blue d. Joe Palardy > The Italian Stallion d. Vern Henderson > Rip Rogers d. Paul Diamond > The Rock & Roll RPMs d. Doug Somers & Chick Donovan > Dick Slater versus Ron Starr ruled a NC > Bunkhouse Match: Dusty Rhodes d. Bob Roop > Tommy Rich d. Rip Rogers by DQ > Ron Garvin d. Ox Baker > Thunderbolt Patterson, Ole & Gene Anderson d. Scott Irwin, Ivan Koloff & Mr. Kareem Muhammad MARCH 24, 1985 – ATLANTA, GA – OMNI AUDITORIUM (Ole Anderson – Promoter) > Brett Sawyer d. Doug Somers > Thunderbolt Patterson d. Mr. Kareem Muhammad > Ron Garvin d. Ron Starr by DQ > Magnum T. A. d. Chick Donovan > Jimmy Valiant d. Bob Roop by DQ > Ole & Gene Anderson versus Ivan & Nikita Koloff ruled a NC > Lights Out Match: Buzz Sawyer d. Bill Irwin > Rip Rogers d. Tommy Rich APRIL 14, 1985 – ATLANTA, GA – OMNI AUDITORIUM (Jim Crockett – Promoter) > Tully Blanchard d. Italian Stallion > The Barbarian d. Pez Whatley > National Heavyweight Title: Ronnie Garvin © d. Bob Roop > US Heavyweight Title: Magnum TA © d. Buddy Landell > Dusty Rhodes, Buzz Sawyer, & Jimmy Valiant d. Ivan & Nikita Koloff, & Krusher Khruschev > Manny Fernandez & Thunderbolt Patterson d. Arn & Ole Anderson by DQ > NWA World Heavyweight Title: Ric Flair © d. Michael Hayes Crockett has come in and he is running the GCW circuit differently than his regular circuit so you get Hayes coming home in the main event here when he didn't work for Crockett. APRIL 28, 1985 – MARIETTA, GA – COBB COUNTY CIVIC CENTER (Ole Anderson – Promoter) > Italian Stallion d. Kim Duk > Ron Starr d. Rocky King > The Barbarian d. Johnny Weaver > Bob Roop fought Pez Whatley to a draw > National Heavyweight Title: Ronnie Garvin © d. Scott Irwin > Mid-Atlantic Heavyweight Title: Buzz Tyler © d. Krusher Khruschev APRIL 28, 1985 – ATLANTA, GA – OMNI AUDITORIUM (Vince McMahon – Promoter) > Mr. Wrestling II d. Rene Goulet > Brutus Beefcake d. George Wells > David Sammartino d. Matt Borne > Ricky Steamboat d. Les Thornton > WWF Women's World Title Match: Wendi Richter © d. Lelani Kai > WWF World Tag Team Title Match: Barry Windham & Mike Rotundo d. Nikolai Volkoff & Iron Sheik © by CO > WWF World Heavyweight Title Match: Hulk Hogan © d. Paul Orndorff Vince is still plugging along though and IIRC this was a strong crowd although they lost TBS by then. MAY 12, 1985 – ATLANTA, GA – OMNI AUDITORIUM (Jim Crockett – Promoter) > The Barbarian d. Sam Houston > Superstar Billy Graham d. Italian Stallion > Krusher Khruschev fought Buzz Sawyer to a draw > Magnum TA d. John Tatum > NWA World TV Title: Tully Blanchard © d. Ronnie Garvin > Abdullah the Butcher battled Jimmy Valiant to a no contest > Manny Fernandez & Thunderbolt Patterson d. Arn & Ole Anderson > Dusty Rhodes & Dick Slater d. Ivan & Nikita Koloff MAY 19, 1985 – MARIETTA, GA – COBB COUNTY CIVIC CENTER (Jim Crockett – Promoter) > Scott Irwin d. Joel Deaton > Buzz Tyler & Pez Whatley d. The Rock n Roll RPM’s > National Heavyweight Title: Ronnie Garvin © d. John Tatum > Arn Anderson d. Thunderbolt Patterson > Manny Fernandez d. Ole Anderson MAY 19, 1985 – ATLANTA, GA – OMNI AUDITORIUM (Vince McMahon – Promoter) > The Hart Foundation versus George Wells & S. D. Jones – result unknown > Ken Patera versus Ivan Putski – result unknown > David Sammartino versus Brutus Beefcake – result unknown > WWF Women’s World Title Match: Wendi Richter © versus Mad Maxine – result unknown > Paul Orndorff versus Barry O – result unknown > Jimmy Snuka versus Bob Orton, Jr. – result unknown > WWF World Heavyweight Title Match: Hulk Hogan © versus Big John Studd – result unknown JUNE 2, 1985 – ATLANTA, GA – OMNI AUDITORIUM (Jim Crockett – Promoter) > Arn Anderson d. Italian Stallion > Bob Roop d. Gerald Finley > Ronnie Garvin, Buzz Sawyer, & Jimmy Valiant d. Abdullah the Butcher, The Barbarian, & Superstar Billy Graham > Tully Blanchard d. Pez Whatley > Thunderbolt Patterson d. Ole Anderson by DQ > NWA World Tag Titles: Ivan Koloff & Krusher Khruschev © d. Dusty Rhodes & Dick Slater by DQ > NWA World Heavyweight Title: Ric Flair © battled Magnum T.A. to a 60:00 draw JUNE 16, 1985 – MARIETTA, GA – COBB COUNTY CIVIC CENTER (Jim Crockett – Promoter) > Joe Lightfoot d. John Tatum > Thunderbolt Patterson d. Tommy Lane > Kevin Sullivan d. Pez Whatley > Italian Stallion & Dick Slater d. The Eliminator & Bob Roop > National Heavyweight Title: Black Bart © d. Brett Sawyer > Arn Anderson battled Buzz Sawyer to a no contest JUNE 16, 1985 – ATLANTA, GA – OMNI AUDITORIUM (Vince McMahon – Promoter) > Brian Blair versus Barry O – result unknown > Les Thornton versus Gama Singh – result unknown > Ken Patera versus Mr. Wrestling II – result unknown > Matt Borne versus Ivan Putski – result unknown > Big John Studd versus Tony Atlas – result unknown > Jimmy Snuka & Ricky Steamboat versus Mr. Fuji & the Magnificent Muraco – result unknown > Paul Orndorff versus Bob Orton, Jr. – result unknown JULY 4, 1985 – ATLANTA, GA – THE OMNI (Jim Crockett – Promoter) > The Midnight Express d. Sam Houston & Italian Stallion > Thunderbolt Patterson d. Kevin Sullivan by DQ > National Tag Titles: Arn & Ole Anderson © d. Brett & Buzz Sawyer > National Heavyweight Title: Black Bart © battled Ronnie Garvin to a no contest > Ivan & Nikita Koloff, & Krusher Khruschev d. Dick Slater, Bill Watts, & Pez Whatley > NWA World Heavyweight Title: Ric Flair © d. Magnum TA JULY 14, 1985 – ATLANTA, GA – OMNI AUDITORIUM (Vince McMahon – Promoter) > Mr. Wrestling II d. Barry O > Uncle Elmer d. Les Thornton > The Missing Link d. Lanny Poffo > George Steele, Barry Windham & Mike Rotundo d. Nikolai Volkoff, the Spoiler, & Iron Sheik > Ricky Steamboat d. the Magnificent Muraco by DQ > Paul Orndorff and Roddy Piper went to a draw JULY 21, 1985 – ATLANTA, GA – THE OMNI (Jim Crockett – Promoter) > Terry Taylor d. Bob Roop > The Midnight Express d. Italian Stallion & Pez Whatley > Tully Blanchard d. Brett Sawyer > Dog Collar: Jimmy Valiant d. Paul Jones > Dick Slater d. Kevin Sullivan > Steel Cage for the National Heavyweight Title: Black Bart © d. Ronnie Garvin > National Tag Titles: Arn & Ole Anderson © battled America’s Team to a no contest WWF would leave Atlanta for almost 2 years. JUNE 7, 1987 – ATLANTA, GA – OMNI AUDITORIUM (7,000) (Jim Crockett – Promoter) > The New Breed d. Jimmy Valiant & Lazertron > Eddie Gilbert d. Kendall Windham > Rick Steiner & Sting d. Todd Champion & Baron Von Raschke > Terry Taylor versus Chris Adams ended in a DCO > The Rock n Roll Express d. Ivan Koloff & Vladimir Petrov > Barry Windham d. Bubba Rogers by DQ > Ric Flair, Tully Blanchard & Lex Luger d. The Fabulous Freebirds > Cage Match: Nikita Koloff d. Dick Murdoch WWF @ Atlanta, GA - Omni - June 19, 1987 (5,345) Sika pinned Scott Casey Rick Rude pinned Cpl. Kirchner Danny Davis pinned Koko B. Ware after hitting him with a foreign object Brutus Beefcake, Jacques & Raymond Rougeau defeated Greg Valentine, Dino Bravo, & Johnny V in an elimination match at around the 16-minute mark Paul Orndorff defeated George Steele via disqualification at around the 5-minute mark WWF World Champion Hulk Hogan pinned Kamala JULY 4, 1987 – ATLANTA, GA – OMNI AUDITORIUM (15,000) (Jim Crockett – Promoter) > Kendall Windham d. Gladiator #1 > Sting d. Thunderfoot #1 > Lazertron d. Spike > Jimmy Valiant d. Basher > Barry Windham d. Rick Steiner > Ron & Jimmy Garvin d. Vladimir Petrov & the Barbarian > UWF Tag Titles: The Lightning Express © d. Bubba Rogers & the Angel of Death > Chris Adams d. Black Bart by DQ > The Fabulous Freebirds d. Paul Jones, Manny Fernandez & Ivan Koloff > The Rock n Roll Express d. the Midnight Express by DQ > Steve Williams d. Dick Murdoch > War Games: Dusty Rhodes, Paul Ellering, Nikita Koloff & the Road Warriors d. J. J. Dillon & the Four Horsemen AUGUST 9, 1987 – ATLANTA, GA – OMNI AUDITORIUM (14,100) (Jim Crockett – Promoter) > Denny Brown d. George South > Ron Simmons d. Teijo Khan > Barry Windham d. Dick Murdoch > The Midnight Express and Terry Gordy & Buddy Roberts went to a draw > Steve Williams d. Bubba Rogers > Nikita Koloff versus Ivan Koloff ruled a NC > Dusty Rhodes d. Lex Luger by DQ > The Rock n Roll Express d. Arn Anderson & Tully Blanchard > Ric Flair d. Ron Garvin by DQ WWF @ Atlanta, GA - Omni - August 22, 1987 (2,200) David Sammartino pinned Terry Gibbs SD Jones pinned Frenchy Martin Outback Jack pinned Tiger Chung Lee Jake Roberts defeated King Kong Bundy via count-out Nikolai Volkoff pinned Joe Mirto Paul Orndorff (sub. for Ken Patera) (w/ Ken Patera) pinned King Harley Race after Patera hit Race with his arm cast; Bobby Heenan was handcuffed to Mr. T for the duration of the bout Paul Roma & Jim Powers defeated the Shadows (Randy Culley & Jose Luis Rivera) Koko B. Ware pinned Danny Davis with the Ghostbuster; Mr. T was the guest referee for the bout AUGUST 30, 1987 – ATLANTA, GA – OMNI AUDITORIUM (9,000) (Jim Crockett – Promoter) > Basher and the Italian Stallion went to a draw > Teijo Khan d. Denny Brown > Barry Windham d. Manny Fernandez > Nikita Koloff d. Sean Royal > Barry Windham & Michael Hayes versus the Midnight Express ruled a NC > Jimmy Garvin d. Ivan Koloff > Dusty Rhodes & the Road Warriors d. Arn Anderson, Tully Blanchard & Lex Luger WWF is getting massacred now. OCTOBER 18, 1987 – ATLANTA, GA – OMNI AUDITORIUM (1,800) (Jim Crockett – Promoter) > David Sierra, Kendall Windham & Nelson Royal d. the Black Assassin & the Samurai Warriors > Kevin Sullivan d. Teijo Khan > Jimmy Valiant & Bugsy McGraw d. the Mod Squad > Sting d. Terry Taylor by DQ > The Midnight Express d. the New Breed > Nikita Koloff d. Eddie Gilbert > Lumberjack Strap Match: Tully Blanchard d. Ricky Morton WWF @ Atlanta, GA - Omni - October 24, 1987 (1,924) WWF IC Champion Honkytonk Man vs. Randy Savage Well this is what happens when you spread your roster too thin. WWF @ Atlanta, GA - Omni - October 23, 1988 (5,200) The Blue Blazer pinned Steve Lombardi Jacques & Raymond Rougeau defeated The Hart Foundation WWF IC Champion the Ultimate Warrior fought Honkytonk Man to a double count-out at 4:00 Hercules pinned King Haku Hulk Hogan defeated Andre the Giant via disqualification at 9:46 The Barbarian pinned Boris Zhukov; the bout was originally scheduled for the Powers of Pain vs. Zhukov & Nikolai Volkoff Bad News Brown pinned Koko B. Ware Jake Roberts (w/ Cheryl Roberts) pinned Rick Rude I don't have a Crockett show for that month but the WWF isn't too far off what JCP was drawing. WWF @ Atlanta, GA - Omni - May 7, 1989 The Ultimate Warrior vs. WWF IC Champion Rick Rude JULY 2, 1989 – ATLANTA, GA – OMNI AUDITORIUM > D. J. Peterson d. Trent Knight > Norman the Lunatic d. Steve Casey > The Skyscrapers d. George South & Trent Knight > Terry Gordy d. Dick Murdoch > The Great Muta d. Eddie Gilbert by CO > Battle Royal: Sting (Winner) > Rick & Scott Steiner d. Kevin Sullivan & Mike Rotundo > The Fabulous Freebirds d. the Midnight Express > The Samoan Swat Team d. the Road Warriors JULY 16, 1989 – ATLANTA, GA – OMNI AUDITORIUM (Vince McMahon – Promoter) > Tim Horner d. Barry Horowitz > The Barbarian d. Jim Neidhart > Dusty Rhodes d. Ted DiBiase > Hillbilly Jim d. Andre the Giant by DQ > The Rockers d. Jacques & Raymond Rougeau > Jim Duggan d. Haku > Dino Bravo d. Hercules Hernandez > Inter-Continental Heavyweight Title Match: the Ultimate Warrior d. Rick Rude © by DQ

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Posted 06 December 2010 - 09:50 PM

Did any of those Hogan/Valentine matches make tape? For some reason, that match intrigues me.

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Posted 06 December 2010 - 10:24 PM

Pretty sure there's one on the first Hulkamania comm release.

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Posted 06 December 2010 - 11:25 PM

There is at least one Valentine v. Hogan match that made tape and I remember thinking it was pretty good when I watched it a couple years back.

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Posted 07 December 2010 - 02:02 AM

Pretty sure there's one on the first Hulkamania comm release.


Yup, and it's from The Philly Spectrum. And it's really good.

I bought that tape when I was 14, it was the first WWF Videotape release along with Best of the WWF Vol. 1 and...I THINK... "Wrestling's Bloops, Bleeps, and Bodyslams" or something like that.

It actually came with a small pamphlet explaining how to do lots of moves complete with diagrams. No shit. It was awesome.

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Posted 07 December 2010 - 07:44 AM

A quick glance shows two 1984 Hogan/Valentine matches easily available online, one apparently being the MSG match from 7/23.

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Posted 07 December 2010 - 09:06 AM

Valentine was actually Hogan's first "No worko with Mr. Stiffo" as he complained to management that Greg worked too stiff and they changed programs. Can't remember who Hogan moved onto (Studd?)

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Posted 07 December 2010 - 09:21 AM

Yeah he was going to Ventura but he got hurt so he ended up with Studd.

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Posted 07 December 2010 - 09:32 AM

that's right as now I remember Heenan mentioning he was first going to manage Ventura before Jesse's blood clots moved him (Bobby) to Studd for the Hogan program

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Posted 07 December 2010 - 03:12 PM

Ventura's version of history is usually suspect at best, but on that one he agrees with the consensus. He was planned to have a huge big-money feud with Hogan, since the sheer charisma of both guys would easily be a good enough combination to overcome even Jesse's godawful ring skills. But then the doctors discovered those nasty clots in his lungs, which put the brakes on his in-ring career for good. (Although he did do a few scattered tag matches after that, which never really get discussed.) Of course, Jesse being Jesse, he claimed that his disease was due to wacky covert government hijinks, agent orange in this case. But then again, agent orange really was some hideously poisonous shit, so it easily could have caused that kind of illness if he was directly exposed to it and he might be telling the truth here too.

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Posted 07 December 2010 - 03:46 PM

The WWF vs. The AWA is interesting because outside of a few cards here and there (like the June 1984 debut card), the WWF shows did pretty miserably attendance-wise. The tide turned after the Thanksgiving 1985 show for good, but the fans seemed to resist embracing the WWF even when the AWA product wasn't enthralling them either (as witnessed by the lackluster attendance in parts of 1984 and 1985).

I've got tape of clips of those WWF shows from the Met in that time frame. The sports guys (who always covered wrestling cards with results and highlights on the late news the night of and night after a card) noted that attendance at the WWF shows was brutal and the matches were abysmal. Hometown bias? Somewhat, but I think that the Twin Cities fans really gave Verne every chance they could to win that war simply because they envisoned losing the local flavour that their cards had if the generic-card WWF won out.

It's the one element that I think a lot of fans didn't realize was going to happen until it was too late. I think AWA fans (specifically in Minneapolis) picked up on this while it was happening.

I think it also explains why the wrestling market in Minnesota pretty much collapsed after the AWA died, if not a bit before. Too many years being the center of the wrestling world with the AWA in town made it too hard to embrace WWF cards 4 times a year, with little or no meaning other than the "national" feuds and matches.


This is an example where it would be interesting to go back and parse through the WONs, Mat Results and Torch (once it started) for more infor on these shows where Graham is missing data. Here are the Twin City cards with Hogan from 1984-87:

Minneapolis, MN - Met Center - June 17, 1984
WWF World Champion Hulk Hogan pinned David Schultz

Minneapolis, MN - Met Center - August 26, 1984
WWF World Champion Hulk Hogan & Gene Okerlund defeated George Steele & Mr. Fuji

Minneapolis, MN - Met Center - October 28, 1984
WWF World Champion Hulk Hogan fought Big John Studd

Minneapolis, MN - Met Center - December 29, 1984
WWF World Champion Hulk Hogan defeated the Iron Sheik

Minneapolis, MN - Met Center - March 17, 1985 (5,500)
Jesse Ventura defeated WWF World Champion Hulk Hogan

Minneapolis, MN - Met Center - June 1, 1985 (2,700)
WWF World Champion Hulk Hogan defeated Don Muraco

Minneapolis, MN - Met Center - July 21, 1985 (4,000)
WWF World Champion Hulk Hogan defeated Roddy Piper

Minneapolis, MN - Met Center - November 28, 1985 (15,000; near sell out)
WWF World Champion Hulk Hogan (w/ Mr. T) pinned Randy Savage (w/ Bobby Heenan)

Minneapolis, MN - Met Center - January 20, 1986 (4,500)
WWF World Champion Hulk Hogan defeated King Kong Bundy

Minneapolis, MN - Met Center - February 22, 1986
WWF World Champion Hulk Hogan & Ricky Steamboat defeated King Kong Bundy & Bobby Heenan

Minneapolis, MN - Met Center - August 17, 1986 (11,500)
Paul Orndorff defeated WWF World Champion Hulk Hogan

St. Paul, MN - Civic Center - November 2, 1986 (10,409)
WWF World Champion Hulk Hogan defeated Paul Orndorff

St. Paul, MN - Civic Center - February 8, 1987 (13,383)
Hercules defeated WWF World Champion Hulk Hogan

St. Paul, MN - July 8, 1987
WWF World Champion Hulk Hogan defeated Killer Khan

St. Paul, MN - Civic Center - October 25, 1987 (4,346)
WWF World Champion Hulk Hogan fought the One Man Gang

The Thanksgiving 1985 show really stands out, to the degree of being inexplicable. Then we have a strange number for Bundy, are missing data for the tag, Hogan-Ordorff doing business, then Hogan-Herc doing better business than Hogan-Orndorff and Hogan-Bundy. Not quite getting that.

I think Mr. Mike wrote a lot of stuff about the War going on. I haven't read it in a decade and a half, but I seem to recall at points if felt really bleak for the AWA, long before late 1985. Perhaps he was based in Chicago, but I thought he was in the Twin Cities.

That's one of the things with those old WON's: attendance numbers can be be in a variety of places, then corrected/changed the following issue. Probably need to identify the cards/areas the need a closer eyeball, and over time folks can add data.

John

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Posted 07 December 2010 - 03:51 PM

Well look at what the AWA was offering up on their Thanksgiving competition show with Blackwell vs. Hayes and the annual battle royal on top. Hogan vs. Savage will smoke that one everytime.

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Posted 07 December 2010 - 03:56 PM

Did any of those Hogan/Valentine matches make tape? For some reason, that match intrigues me.


These both were taped:

New York City, NY - Madison Square Garden - July 23, 1984 (15,000)
Televised on the MSG Network
WWF World Champion Hulk Hogan pinned Greg Valentine at 10:33 with the legdrop; prior to the bout, Capt. Lou Albano escorted Valentine to ringside

Philadelphia, PA - Spectrum - August 4, 1984 (12,908)
Televised on the PRISM Network
WWF World Champion Hulk Hogan pinned Greg Valentine with a clothesline and the legdrop at 11:18; after the bout, Valentine shoved referee Dick Kroll out of the ring (Hulkamania, Best of Hulkamania)

They're both out there in circulation.

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Posted 07 December 2010 - 04:01 PM

Well look at what the AWA was offering up on their Thanksgiving competition show with Blackwell vs. Hayes and the annual battle royal on top. Hogan vs. Savage will smoke that one everytime.


Understood. More along the lines of the prior Hogan appearance: Hogan-Piper several months after Mania, drawing "4,500". That one doesn't make a lot of sense. Savage in November 1985 wasn't as big of a star as Piper yet, but attendance went up 11K?

I can see the WWF doing poorly on non-Hogan shows, as they do that into 1986 and 1987. But 4500 for Piper-Hogan and 4K for Hogan-Bundy (who had the big push leading up to Mania) sandwiching around that 15K for Hogan-Savage on Thanksgiving... doesn't that strike anyone else as odd?

I don't know if KHawk went to any of those shows and maybe has some knowledge. I just toss those shows out, among others, that are probably worth taking a deeper looking into the WON and Mat Results.

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Posted 07 December 2010 - 04:19 PM

Maybe you can chalk that up to Savage being a hot wrestler at that time. I remember everyone being in awe of Savage at that time because there was no one in the WWF working like him plus he had Elizabeth who there wasn't anyone who looked like that in that company either. Hogan/Savage did big business everywhere it went and it makes you wonder why they didn't go harder nationwide with it.

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Posted 07 December 2010 - 04:42 PM

Let's look at the Hogan/Savage matches on record. WWF @ Philadelphia, PA - Spectrum - September 28, 1985 Televised on the PRISM Network - featured Gorilla Monsoon & Dick Graham on commentary: Moondog Spot defeated Rick McGraw King Kong Bundy defeated Steve Gatorwolf Scott McGee defeated Rene Goulet Roddy Piper & Bob Orton Jr. defeated Paul Orndorff & Bruno Sammartino via count-out Don Muraco defeated Ricky Steamboat via disqualification King Tonga defeated Barry O WWF World Champion Hulk Hogan defeated Randy Savage (the 1st known Hogan / Savage bout) WWF @ Toronto, Ontario - Maple Leaf Gardens - October 13, 1985 (17,000) Shown live on closed circuit TV across southern Ontario, eastern MI, and western NY; Frank Tunney's NWA ring, with NWA style turnbuckles and apron, were used for the show; featured Gorilla Monsoon & Jesse Ventura on commentary Scott McGhee pinned Barry O at 10:22 with a powerslam after O hit the corner Tony Parisi pinned Rene Goulet at 11:55 with a Cannonball off the top Nikolai Volkoff & Iron Sheik defeated George Steele & Cpl. Kirschner via disqualification at 16:33 when Steele hit Sheik with a chair as Sheik had the Camel Clutch applied on Kirschner Iron Mike Sharpe pinned SD Jones at 5:24 after the momentum of a Jones' crossbody put Sharpe on top Terry Funk defeated Steve Gatorwolf via submission with a sleeper at 7:00 WWF Tag Team Champions Brutus Beefcake & Greg Valentine (w/ Johnny V) defeated The British Bulldogs at 19:00 when Beefcake pinned Dynamite after Valentine attacked the challenger behind the referee's back Dino Bravo pinned Mr. X with a side suplex at 3:50 WWF World Champion Hulk Hogan pinned Randy Savage (w/ Miss Elizabeth) at 14:00 after Hogan lifted his boot to block the challenger's flying elbowsmash; after the bout, Hogan sustained a double axe handle from the top to the floor before eventually clearing Savage from the ring I don't have the Toronto attendances but that was a huge crowd for their first match in Toronto. They shot the TV angle with Savage attacking Hogan 9 days later in Poughkeepsie which aired on November 9th. WWF @ Los Angeles, CA - Sports Arena - November 16, 1985 Terry Gibbs defeated Jack Armstrong The Spoiler defeated Billy Anderson Bob Orton Jr. defeated Tony Garea Terry Funk pinned Scott McGee at 8:27 Pedro Morales defeated Alexi Smirnoff Johnny V, WWF Tag Team Champions Brutus Beefcake & Greg Valentine defeated Mike Rotundo, Dan Spivey, & Mr. Wrestling II Paul Orndorff defeated Roddy Piper in a steel cage match at 9:01 by escaping the cage WWF World Champion Hulk Hogan pinned Randy Savage at 14:32 WWF @ Oakland, CA - Coliseum - November 17, 1985 The Spoiler defeated Scott McGhee Mr. Wrestling II defeated Terry Gibbs Bob Orton Jr. defeated Tony Garea Ivan Putski defeated Matt Borne Pedro Morales defeated Alexis Smirnoff WWF Tag Team Champions Greg Valentine & Brutus Beefcake defeated Mike Rotundo & Dan Spivey Paul Orndorff defeated Terry Funk WWF World Champion Hulk Hogan defeated Randy Savage WWF @ Minneapolis, MN - Met Center - November 28, 1985 (15,000) WWF World Champion: Hulk Hogan defeated Randy Savage WWF @ Long Island, NY - Nassau Coliseum - December 5, 1985 Gino Carabello defeated Jim Powers Steve Lombardi defeated Paul Roma Cpl. Kirschner defeated Les Thornton Dan Spivey defeated Adrian Adonis via disqualification Cousin Junior defeated Terry Gibbs King Tonga defeated Moondog Spot Hercules defeated Scott McGhee WWF Tag Team Champion Greg Valentine defeated Mr. Wrestling II WWF Tag Team Champion Brutus Beefcake defeated Mike Rotundo WWF World Champion Hulk Hogan & WWF IC Champion Tito Santana defeated Randy Savage & Jesse Ventura WWF @ Los Angeles, CA - Sports Arena - December 16, 1985 Terry Gibbs defeated Jack Armstrong The Spoiler defeated Billy Anderson Bob Orton Jr. defeated Tony Garea Terry Funk defeated Scott McGhee Pedro Morales defeated Alexis Smirnoff Johnny V, WWF Tag Team Champions Greg Valentine & Brutus Beefcake defeated Danny Spivey, Mr. Wrestling II, & Mike Rotundo Paul Orndorff defeated Roddy Piper WWF World Champion Hulk Hogan defeated Randy Savage WWF @ Landover, MD - Capital Centre - December 25, 1985 Terry Funk vs. Junkyard Dog WWF World Champion Hulk Hogan defeated Randy Savage Also included 9 other bouts WWF @ Richfield, OH - Coliseum - December 26, 1985 Ivan Putski defeated Iron Mike Sharpe Dan Spivey defeated Barry O Cousin Luke defeated Moondog Spot Adrian Adonis defeated Scott McGhee The British Bulldogs defeated WWF Tag Team Champions Greg Valentine & Brutus Beefcake via disqualification WWF IC Champion Tito Santana defeated Bob Orton Jr. Randy Savage defeated WWF World Champion Hulk Hogan via count-out WWF @ New York City, NY - Madison Square Garden - December 30, 1985 (20,225; sell out) Televised on the MSG Network - included Gorilla Monsoon & Lord Alfred Hayes on commentary: SD Jones pinned Ron Shaw with an inside cradle at 18:36 Prime Time Wrestling - 1/14/86: Jim Neidhart fought B. Brian Blair to a time-limit draw All American Wrestling - 1/12/86: Hercules (w/ Freddie Blassie) defeated Jose Luis Rivera via submission with a backbreaker at 9:51 Prime Time Wrestling - 1/20/86: Adrian Adonis pinned Lanny Poffo with a bulldog at 8:20 Randy Savage (w/ Miss Elizabeth) defeated WWF World Champion Hulk Hogan via count-out at 9:55 after Savage jumped from the top rope to the floor, hitting Hogan in the head with the world title belt and then waking the referee up so that he could make the count; after the bout, Savage put the title belt around his waist and left ringside with it until Hogan attacked Savage in the aisle, brought him back into the ring, reclaimed his title belt, and beat up Savage until the challenger was able to escape the ring and run backstage (Best of the WWF Vol. 6) Big John Studd pinned Tony Atlas with a flying bodypress at 12:15 Prime Time Wrestling - 1/20/86: The Haiti Kid pinned Butch Cassidy at 10:32 with a reverse roll up (Best of the WWF Vol. 6) Prime Time Wrestling - 6/30/86: Jim Brunzell pinned Bret Hart at 13:55 with a backslide; after the bout, Hart attacked Brunzell and threw him to the floor Prime Time Wrestling - 1/20/86: WWF Tag Team Champions Brutus Beefcake & Greg Valentine (w/ Johnny V) defeated Uncle Elmer & Hillbilly Jim at 4:29 when Beefcake pinned Elmer after Valentine came off the top with a double axehandle as Elmer had Beefcake caught in a bearhug, with Beefcake then falling on top for the win (WWF's Greatest Matches 86) WWF @ Richfield, OH - Coliseum - late 85 / early 86 Pedro Morales defeated Barry O SD Jones defeated Rene Goulet King Tonga defeated Tiger Chung Lee Hercules defeated George Wells The Killer Bees defeated The Hart Foundation Don Muraco defeated Ricky Steamboat Roddy Piper defeated Paul Orndorff in a lumberjack match WWF World Champion Hulk Hogan defeated Randy Savage WWF @ Los Angeles, CA - Sports Arena - January 21, 1986 Terry Gibbs defeated Jack Armstrong The Spoiler defeated Billy Anderson Bob Orton Jr. defeated Tony Garea Terry Funk defeated Scott McGee Pedro Morales defeated Alexi Smirnoff Brutus Beefcake, Greg Valentine, & Johnny V defeated Mike Rotundo, Mr. Wrestling II, & Dan Spivey Paul Orndorff defeated Roddy Piper WWF World Champion Hulk Hogan defeated Randy Savage WWF @ New York City, NY - Madison Square Garden - January 27, 1986 (20,225; sell out) Televised on the MSG Network - included Gorilla Monsoon & Jesse Ventura on commentary: Prime Time Wrestling - 2/10/86: Danny Spivey pinned Rene Goulet with a bulldog at 18:11 Prime Time Wrestling - 2/10/86: Iron Mike Sharpe fought George Wells to a double count-out Prime Time Wrestling - 2/10/86: Ted Arcidi defeated Tiger Chung Lee via submission with a backbreaker at 8:25 Prime Time Wrestling - 6/30/86: Paul Orndorff defeated Big John Studd (w/ Bobby Heenan) via disqualification at 5:13 when Heenan interfered as Orndorff attempted to bodyslam Studd; after the bout, Orndorff cleared Heenan from the ring Terry Funk defeated Scott McGhee at 16:02 Prime Time Wrestling - 2/10/86: Pedro Morales pinned Moondog Spot with a sunset flip at 6:30 Prime Time Wrestling - 6/30/86: Sivi Afi pinned Ron Shaw at 6:52 with a flying bodypress; Afi was billed as 'Superfly Afi' for the bout Adrian Adonis defeated Junkyard Dog via disqualification at 6:11 George Steele defeated Barry O via submission with the flying hammerlock at 3:01 WWF Tag Team Champions Greg Valentine & Brutus Beefcake defeated The British Bulldogs at 10:31 when Beefcake pinned Dynamite Randy Savage defeated WWF World Champion Hulk Hogan via count-out after Hogan hit the steel ring post shoulder-first at 12:59; after the bout, Hogan put the challenger in a bearhug until officials and other wrestlers broke it up (Best of the WWF Vol. 7, Macho Man Randy Savage & Elizabeth) WWF @ Richmond, VA - Coliseum - February 9, 1986 Roddy Piper vs. Cousin Luke Junkyard Dog vs. Terry Funk Ricky Steamboat vs. Don Muraco WWF World Champion Hulk Hogan vs. Randy Savage WWF @ New York City, NY - Madison Square Garden - February 17, 1986 Televised on the MSG Network - included Gorilla Monsoon & Lord Alfred Hayes on commentary: Lanny Poffo defeated Rene Goulet Prime Time Wrestling - 2/24/86: The Hart Foundation (w/ Jimmy Hart) fought The Killer Bees to a time-limit draw at 18:48 as Brunzell covered Hart following a dropkick (Best of the WWF Vol. 8, The Bret Hart Story: The Best There Is, Was, and Ever Will Be) Ricky Steamboat pinned Don Muraco in a martial arts match Tony Atlas pinned Barry O following a gorilla press slam Adrian Adonis defeated George Steele via disqualification Prime Time Wrestling - 6/30/86: Iron Sheik & Nikolai Volkoff (w/ Freddie Blassie) defeated Cpl. Kirschner & Dan Spivey at 9:41 when Sheik pinned Kirchner with a boot to the sternum King Tonga defeated Les Thornton Prime Time Wrestling - 2/24/86: King Kong Bundy pinned George Wells with the Avalanche and a splash at 3:17 Prime Time Wrestling - 2/24/86: Ted Arcidi defeated Terry Gibbs via submission with a bearhug (Best of the WWF Vol. 8) WWF World Champion Hulk Hogan pinned WWF IC Champion Randy Savage in a lumberjack match after George Steele tripped Savage, allowing Hogan to hit the legdrop for the win; other lumberjacks included: Lanny Poffo, Danny Spivey, Ricky Steamboat, King Tonga, Tony Atlas, Iron Sheik, Nikolai Volkoff, Cpl. Kirchner, Les Thornton, Bary O, King Kong Bundy, Don Muraco, The Hart Foundation (Macho Man Randy Savage & Elizabeth) WWF @ Detroit, MI - Joe Louis Arena - April 26, 1986 Featured Ken Resnick & Jack Reynolds on commentary (Resnick's debut as WWF commentator and Reynolds' last appearance) Prime Time Wrestling - 5/12/86: Bret Hart pinned Sivi Afi at 10:33 by catching him coming off the ropes and hitting a backbreaker across his knee Tony Atlas pinned Hercules at 9:31 with a sunset flip Prime Time Wrestling - 5/12/86: George Steele pinned Jim Neidhart at 3:52 after hitting him with a foreign object as Neidhart was distracted by the referee and shoved him down with a chair Cpl. Kirchner pinned Iron Mike Sharpe at 10:28 with a Samoan Drop Hillbilly Jim defeated Adrian Adonis via disqualification at 8:51 when Adonis began choking Jim with his pink scarf after twice pushing down the referee; after the bout, Hillbilly cleared the ring Tito Santana pinned Bob Orton Jr. at 9:51 when the momentum of a crossbody by Orton put Santana on top Prime Time Wrestling - 5/12/86: Iron Sheik & Nikolai Volkoff defeated The Killer Bees at 11:41 when Sheik pinned Brunzell after Volkoff hit a double axe handle to the back of the head as Brunzell had Sheik in a sleeper Prime Time Wrestling - 5/12/86: Jake Roberts pinned Scott McGhee at 7:02 with the DDT WWF World Champion Hulk Hogan pinned WWF IC Champion Randy Savage (w/ Miss Elizabeth) at 11:46 after Hogan lifted his boot to block the challenger's flying elbowsmash; after the bout, Savage knocked out the referee and came off the top to the floor with the world title belt, only for Hogan to catch him in mid-air, throw him back inside the ring, and regain possession of the belt WWF @ Boston, MA - Boston Garden - May 24, 1986 Televised on NESN - included Gorilla Monsoon & Lord Alfred Hayes on commentary: David Sammartino pinned Tiger Chung Lee at 12:27 with a small package; after the bout, Lee attacked Sammartino before leaving ringside Prime Time Wrestling - 6/16/86: Iron Mike Sharpe pinned Tony Garea at 11:35 after Garea hit the corner face-first Prime Time Wrestling - 6/16/86: Jim Neidhart pinned Lanny Poffo at 5:29 with a fistdrop from the middle turnbuckle after Poffo failed a somersault splash Prime Time Wrestling - 6/16/86: Bret Hart pinned Sivi Afi at 10:20 when the momentum of a flying bodypress by Afi put Hart on top King Kong Bundy (w/ Bobby Heenan) pinned Tony Atlas at 6:18 with an elbow drop after the Avalanche in the corner Prime Time Wrestling - 6/16/86: Hercules pinned Scott McGhee at 8:05 with a backbreaker Cpl. Kirchner pinned Nikolai Volkoff at 7:26 after reversing a powerslam attempt into a cradle, though Volkoff's shoulders were clearly not down for the entire count; after the bout, Volkoff attacked Kirchner before leaving ringside Prime Time Wrestling - 6/16/86: Pedro Morales, WWF Tag Team Champion Davey Boy Smith, & Dan Spivey defeated Greg Valentine, Brutus Beefcake, & Johnny V at 11:20 when Spivey pinned Johnny V following a backbreaker from Morales WWF IC Champion Randy Savage (w/ Miss Elizabeth) defeated WWF World Champion Hulk Hogan via count-out at 13:58 after coming off the top to the floor and hitting the champion with his own title belt, moments after referee Danny Davis had been knocked down by Hogan; after the bout, Savage knocked out the referee and attempted to leave ringside with the title belt but Hogan dragged him back inside the ring and regained possession of the belt; only the world title was on the line WWF @ Boston, MA - Boston Garden - June 27, 1986 Televised on NESN - included Gorilla Monsoon & Gene Okerlund on commentary: Mr. X pinned Rudy Diamond Prime Time Wrestling - 7/14/86: King Tonga pinned Pete Doherty at 4:20 with a diving headbutt Prime Time Wrestling - 7/14/86: Mike Rotundo & Dan Spivey defeated Les Thornton & Tiger Chung Lee at 12:16 when Spivey pinned Thornton with a bulldog Prime Time Wrestling - 7/14/86: Pedro Morales pinned Moondog Spot with a reverse roll up at 7:25 Prime Time Wrestling - 7/14/86: Harley Race pinned Tony Atlas with a sunset flip at 8:27 Prime Time Wrestling - 7/14/86: Billy Jack Haynes defeated Moondog Rex via submission with the full nelson at 5:38 (Best of the WWF Vol. 8) Jake Roberts defeated Ricky Steamboat via count-out Prime Time Wrestling - 10/28/86: King Kong Bundy defeated Junkyard Dog via disqualification at 7:21 when JYD hiptossed referee Danny Davis with his chain; after the match, JYD powerslammed Davis WWF World Champion Hulk Hogan pinned WWF IC Champion Randy Savage at 7:12; after the bout, Adrian Adonis joined in attacking Hogan (Hulkamania 2) Paul Orndorff defeated Don Muraco via referee's decision after the time limit expired WWF @ Miami, FL - Knight Center - August 6, 1986 (5,342) Billy Jack Haynes defeated Les Thornton Dick Slater defeated Tiger Chung Lee Mike Rotundo & Dan Spivey defeated The Hart Foundation via count-out Hercules defeated Pedro Morales Dory & Jimmy Jack Funk fought Nikolai Volkoff & Iron Sheik to a no contest WWF World Champion Hulk Hogan defeated WWF IC Champion Randy Savage WWF @ Boston, MA - Boston Garden - August 9, 1986 Televised on NESN - included Gorilla Monsoon & Lord Alfred Hayes on commentary: Prime Time Wrestling - 8/25/86: Lanny Poffo pinned Mr. X with a somersault splash at 7:17 Prime Time Wrestling - 8/25/86: Dick Slater pinned Pete Doherty at 6:45 with an elbow off the top to the head Prime Time Wrestling - 8/25/86: Nikolai Volkoff & Iron Sheik (w/ Slick) defeated The Hart Foundation at 6:39 when Sheik tripped Neidhart, who had Volkoff up for a slam, and Volkoff fell on top for the pin (Best of the WWF Vol. 9) Tony Atlas vs. Ted Arcidi Ricky Steamboat pinned Jake Roberts at 17:21 with a roll up as Roberts attempted to revive the referee; after the bout, Roberts attacked Steamboat, hit the DDT, and draped Damien on his opponent until Ted Arcidi and Dick Slater made the save (Jake 'the Snake' Roberts) Junkyard Dog vs. Greg Valentine Prime Time Wrestling - 8/25/86: Tito Santana fought Bob Orton Jr. to a 30-minute time-limit draw (Best of the WWF Vol. 10) Cowboy Lang vs. Lord Littlebrook WWF World Champion Hulk Hogan & George Steele defeated WWF IC Champion Randy Savage & Adrian Adonis at 10:25 when Hogan scored the pin following the legdrop (Hulkamania 2) WWF @ Ottawa, Ontario - Landsdowne Park - August 21, 1986 Pedro Morales vs. Bob Orton Jr. Jacques & Raymond Rougeau vs. Terry & Dory Funk Jr. Little Koko vs. Little Tokyo ? defeated George Steele via disqualification WWF World Champion Hulk Hogan defeated WWF IC Champion Randy Savage WWF @ East Rutherford, NJ - Meadowlands - December 8, 1986 (9,000) Dick Slater defeated Iron Mike Sharpe Mike Rotundo & Danny Spivey fought Jacques & Raymond Rougeau to a double disqualification Kamala pinned King Kong Bundy with a splash at around the 5-minute mark Pedro Morales defeated Nikolai Volkoff via disqualification WWF World Champion Hulk Hogan defeated WWF IC Champion Randy Savage via disqualification in a non-title match when Honkytonk Man interfered Sika defeated Cpl. Kirschner Blackjack Mulligan defeated Steve Lombardi SD Jones defeated Jose Luis Rivera Hillbilly Jim defeated Jimmy Jack Funk Junkyard Dog & George Steele defeated Greg Valentine & Brutus Beefcake after JYD hit Valentine with a chair WWF @ East Rutherford, NJ - Meadowlands - January 5, 1987 (15,826) WWF Superstars taping: Prime Time Wrestling - 1/14/87: Billy Jack Haynes defeated King Harley Race (w/ Bobby Heenan) via disqualification at 9:40 when Heenan interfered as Haynes had the full nelson applied; after the bout, Haynes applied the hold to Heenan until Race made the save Prime Time Wrestling - 1/14/87: Sivi Afi pinned Frenchy Martin at 6:50 with a sunset flip over the top rope The Can-Am Connection fought Greg Valentine & Brutus Beefcake to a double disqualification WWF World Champion Hulk Hogan & Ricky Steamboat defeated WWF IC Champion Randy Savage & Honkytonk Man WWF @ Hartford, CT - Civic Center - May 23, 1987 WWF World Champion Hulk Hogan defeated Randy Savage WWF @ Rochester, NY - War Memorial - June 3, 1987 Wrestling Challenge taping: The Midnight Rockers (Shawn Michaels & Marty Jannetty) defeated Jose Estrada & Jimmy Jack Funk Hercules defeated an unknown via submission with the full nelson Don Muraco pinned Lanny Poffo Prime Time Wrestling - 7/20/87: Nikolai Volkoff (w/ Slick) defeated Billy Jack Haynes via disqualification at 4:33 after Haynes stole Slick's cane, broke it over Volkoff's back, and chased both men backstage Prime Time Wrestling - 7/13/87: Hillbilly Jim (w/ Little Beaver) pinned Iron Mike Sharpe at 6:54 by hitting Sharpe with his own forearm after Sharpe became distracted from chasing Beaver around ringside WWF World Champion Hulk Hogan pinned Randy Savage (w/ Miss Elizabeth) with a roll up after the challenger missed the flying elbowsmash (History of the WWF Heavyweight Championship) WWF @ Salt Lake, UT - Salt Palace - July 3, 1987 (7,884) The Jumping Bomb Angels defeated WWF Women's Tag Team Champions Judy Martin & Leilani Kai via count-out The One Man Gang defeated Brady Boone Ken Patera pinned Hercules Butch Reed pinned Tito Santana after Slick tripped Santana from the outside Don Muraco & Bob Orton Jr. defeated Jerry Allen & Steve Gatorwolf SD Jones defeated Tiger Chung Lee WWF World Champion Hulk Hogan pinned Randy Savage with the legdrop WWF @ Los Angeles, CA - Sports Arena - July 4, 1987 SD Jones defeated Tiger Chung Lee Ken Patera defeated Hercules Tito Santana fought Butch Reed to a draw WWF World Champion Hulk Hogan pinned Randy Savage with the legdrop after Elizabeth took a chair away from the challenger Don Muraco & Bob Orton Jr. defeated Jerry Allen & Steve Gatorwolf The Jumping Bomb Angels defeated WWF Women's Tag Team Champions Judy Martin & Leilani Kai in a non-title match WWF @ Oakland, CA - Coliseum - July 5, 1987 SD Jones defeated Tiger Chung Lee Don Muraco & Bob Orton Jr. defeated Jerry Allen & Steve Gatorwolf Butch Reed defeated Scott Casey Billy Jack Haynes defeated Hercules WWF Women's Tag Team Champions Judy Martin & Leilani Kai defeated the Jumping Bomb Angels Ken Patera defeated Paul Orndorff WWF World Champion Hulk Hogan defeated Randy Savage WWF @ Tacoma, WA - Tacoma Dome - July 6, 1987 WWF Women's Tag Team Champions Leilani Kai & Judy Martin defeated the Jumping Bomb Angels SD Jones pinned Tiger Chung Lee Bob Orton Jr. & Don Muraco defeated Steve Gatorwolf & Jerry Allen Butch Reed defeated Scott Casey Koko B. Ware defeated Danny Davis Ken Patera defeated Paul Orndorff Billy Jack Haynes defeated Hercules in a chain match WWF World Champion Hulk Hogan pinned Randy Savage WWF @ Glens Falls, NY - Civic Center - July 15, 1987 WWF Superstars taping: Dan Kroffatt defeated an unknown Jake Roberts pinned WWF IC Champion Honkytonk Man in a non-title match after guest ringside enforcer Mr. T punched the champion WWF World Champion Hulk Hogan pinned Randy Savage (w/ Miss Elizabeth) with the legdrop after Elizabeth took a chair from the challenger WWF @ Halifax, Nova Scotia - July 18, 1987 (sell out) WWF World Champion Hulk Hogan vs. Randy Savage WWF @ Denver, CO - McNichols Arena - July 19, 1987 (6,796) Paul Roma & Jim Powers defeated Don Muraco & Bob Orton Jr. when Muraco was pinned after accidentally sustaining a blow from Orton Jerry Allen pinned Barry Horowitz Don Muraco pinned Hercules Ron Bass pinned Lanny Poffo Randy Savage defeated WWF World Champion Hulk Hogan via count-out after hitting Hogan with the title belt; after the bout, Hogan went backstage, dragged Savage back out, and reclaimed the stolen championship belt Brady Boone pinned Jose Estrada Rick Rude pinned Scott Casey King Harley Race pinned Tito Santana WWF @ Albuquerque, NM - Tingley Coliseum - July 20, 1987 (8,546) Jose Estrada pinned Brady Boone Jerry Allen pinned Barry Horowitz Rick Rude pinned Lanny Poffo Ron Bass pinned Scott Casey Jim Powers & Paul Roma defeated Don Muraco & Bob Orton Jr. Tito Santana pinned King Harley Race Don Muraco pinned Hercules WWF World Champion Hulk Hogan pinned Randy Savage at around the 7-minute mark WWF @ Oklahoma City, OK - State Fair Arena - July 21, 1987 (4,544) Lanny Poffo vs. Rick Rude Tito Santana vs. King Harley Race WWF World Champion Hulk Hogan defeated Randy Savage WWF @ Bristol, TN - Viking Hall - July 25, 1987 (3,948; sell out) WWF World Champion Hulk Hogan vs. Randy Savage WWF @ Wichita, KS - Kansas Coliseum - July 26, 1987 (7,932) WWF World Champion Hulk Hogan defeated Randy Savage WWF @ Madison, WI - Dane County Coliseum - August 4, 1987 (7,557) WWF Superstars taping: Prime Time Wrestling - 8/17/87: Bob Orton Jr. defeated George Steele via disqualification Prime Time Wrestling - 8/24/87: Jacques & Raymond Rougeau defeated the Shadows when Raymond scored the pin after a double team move off the top at 6:24 Prime Time Wrestling - 8/24/87: Junkyard Dog fought Ron Bass to a double count-out at 8:07 Prime Time Wrestling - 8/30/87: Paul Roma & Jim Powers defeated WWF Tag Team Champions The Hart Foundation (w/ Jimmy Hart) via disqualification when the champions illegally double teamed the challengers; Lanny Poffo & Don Muraco did commentary for the bout Ted Dibiase defeated an unknown WWF World Champion Hulk Hogan defeated Randy Savage WWF @ Chicago, IL - Rosemont Horizon - August 8, 1987 (14,967) Brady Boone pinned Jose Estrada Lanny Poffo pinned Iron Mike Sharpe WWF Women's Tag Team Champions Leilani Kai & Judy Martin defeated Angie Minelli & Theresa DuBois Rick Martel pinned Tama at 17:11; after the bout, Martel was double teamed by both Islanders King Harley Race pinned Scott Casey Rick Rude pinned Tony Garea (sub. for SD Jones) Koko B. Ware defeated Danny Davis via count-out at 4:46 WWF World Champion Hulk Hogan pinned Randy Savage (w/ Danny Davis & Miss Elizabeth) at 7:49; Mr. T was the special referee for the bout WWF @ Springfield, IL - Prairie Capital Convention Center - August 15, 1987 (matinee) (8,302; sell out) WWF World Champion Hulk Hogan defeated Randy Savage WWF @ Ft. Wayne, IN - Allen County War Memorial - August 15, 1987 (9,716 paid) WWF World Champion Hulk Hogan defeated Randy Savage WWF @ Denver, CO - McNichols Arena - August 16, 1987 (6,974) David Sammartino pinned Terry Gibbs SD Jones pinned Frenchy Martin Chavo Guerrero pinned Jose Estrada Demolition defeated The Killer Bees when Brunzell was pinned after Mr. Fuji interfered and hit him with his cane Danny Davis defeated George Steele via disqualification after Steele hit referee Dave Hebner WWF Women's Champion Sensational Sherri pinned Velvet McIntyre. Billy Jack Haynes (sub. for Ken Patera) (w/ Ken Patera) pinned King Harley Race after Patera hit Race with his arm cast WWF World Champion Hulk Hogan pinned Randy Savage; Mr. T was the guest referee for the bout That would be their last bout until 1989.

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Posted 07 December 2010 - 05:09 PM

Here's another data dump to add to the thread for future reference.

 

These were the top Metros in the US in the 1990 Census. I chose 1990 rather than 1980 because:

 

* Expansion was in the middle of the decade

* this is where the country was headed rather than where it had been

 

If you're expanded business, you want to grab (i) Big and (ii) Growing. Which makes 1990 data more reasonable: it's where the WWF and Hogan were headed.

 

Could get more anal on this by adding in growth % for the decade, but I don't think it's that critical.

 

19,549,649 New York (1)

14,531,529 Los Angles (2)

8,239,820 Chicago (3)

6,727,050 DC/Baltimore/N VA (4)

6,253,311 SanFran / San Jose / Oakland (5)

5,892,937 Philly (6)

5,455,403 Boston (7)

5,187,171 Detroit (8)

4,037,282 Dallas / Fort Worth (9)

3,731,131 Houston (10)

3,192,582 Miami / Fort Lauderdale (11)

2,970,328 Seattle / Tacoma (12)

2,959,950 Atlanta (13)

2,859,644 Cleveland (14)

2,538,834 Minneapolis / St. Paul (15)

2,498,016 San Diego (16)

2,492,525 St. Louis (17)

2,394,811 Pittsburgh (18)

2,238,480 Phoenix (19)

2,067,959 Tampa/St. Petersburg (20)

1,980,140 Denver (21)

1,980,140 Cincinnati (22)

1,793,476 Portland (23)

1,607,183 Milwaukee (24)

1,582,875 Kansas City (25)

1,481,102 Sacramento (26)

1,443,244 Norfolk (27)

1,380,491 Indianapolis (28)

1,345,450 Columbus (29)

1,324,749 San Antonio (30)

1,285,270 New Orleans (31)

1,224,852 Orlando (32)

1,189,288 Buffalo / Niagara Falls (33)

1,162,093 Charlotte (34)

1,157,585 Hartford (35)

1,134,350 Providence (36)

1,072,227 Salt Lake (37)

1,062,470 Rochester (38)

1,050,304 Greensboro (39)

1,007,306 Memphis (40)

985,026 Nashville (41)

958,839 Oklahoma City (42)

951,270 Dayton (43)

948,829 Louisville (44)

937,891 Jacksonville (45)

865,640 Richmond (46)

863,518 West Palm Beach (47)

861,424 Albany (48)

855,545 Raleigh-Durham-Chapel Hill (49)

852,737 Las Vegas (50)

846,227 Austin (51)

840,140 Birmingham (52)

836,231 Honolulu (53)

830,563 Greenville (54)

755,580 Fresno (55)

742,177 Syracuse (56)

708,954 Tulsa (57)

666,880 Tucson (58)

639,580 Omaha (59)

638,466 Scranton (60)

614,128 Toledo (61)

600,895 Youngstown (62)

595,081 Allentown (63)

591,610 El Paso (64)

589,131 Albuquerque (65)

587,986 Harrisburg (66)

587,884 Springfield (67)

585,960 Knoxville (68)

543,477 Bakersfield (69)

528,264 Baton Rouge (70)

513,117 Little Rock (71)

506,875 Charleston (72)

489,483 Sarasota (73)

485,270 Wichita (74)

480,628 Stockton (75)

 

Stopping at 75 as it's the first obvious breaking point after we drop under 500K. There are some useful metros below that, but we're also reaching the point that it confirms a lot of what we already know further up the list:

 

513,117 Little Rock (71) = a city that warrants some looking into

506,875 Charleston (72) = another CrockettLand problem for the WWF

489,483 Sarasota (73) = another part of FL engulfed in the WWF

485,270 Wichita (74) = another part of the plains expanded into by the WWF

480,628 Stockton (75) = more of CA added

 

I may have missed a metro or two when copying it out of the Census PDF. Let me know if any jump out. More in the next post...



#39 Al

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Posted 07 December 2010 - 05:09 PM

Ventura's version of history is usually suspect at best, but on that one he agrees with the consensus. He was planned to have a huge big-money feud with Hogan, since the sheer charisma of both guys would easily be a good enough combination to overcome even Jesse's godawful ring skills. But then the doctors discovered those nasty clots in his lungs, which put the brakes on his in-ring career for good. (Although he did do a few scattered tag matches after that, which never really get discussed.) Of course, Jesse being Jesse, he claimed that his disease was due to wacky covert government hijinks, agent orange in this case. But then again, agent orange really was some hideously poisonous shit, so it easily could have caused that kind of illness if he was directly exposed to it and he might be telling the truth here too.

Talk to any Vietnam veteran and you'll get the same thing really. I don't think anyone really knows the truth about the full effects of Agent Orange.

#40 KrisZ

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Posted 07 December 2010 - 05:11 PM

I totally skipped the Bay Area so I need to hit that one next.




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