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Posted 07 February 2011 - 08:27 AM

Ultimate Warrior vs. The Macho King Randy Savage, 1/21/91

I know that Warrior is the complete opposite of what a good worker is supposed to be and that it's Savage who is carrying him in this match, but after watching the most God foresaken Jake Roberts vs. Rick Rude match the other day I've reached the conclusion that I'd much rather watch an Ultimate Warrior match than a Rick Rude one. In fact, the way I feel about Rick Rude matches right now I figure his famous carry of Ultimate Warrior was as beneficial a match-up for Rude as it was for Warrior. This was a steel cage match Warrior and Savage had a couple of days after the "he said no" angle at Royal Rumble '91. I watched this and a title vs. title match they had from '89 and this was probably the better match. Like almost all WWF matches it had a mindnumblingly boring dip in the middle, but the beginning and end were good. I don't know why the WWF had such poor heat segments in their matches, but they did. The weird thing about this match is that after rejecting Sherri's blowjob at Royal Rumble '91, Warrior strips her to her underwear in this match. Not only that, but he stares at her skirt talking to it. I'm no lip reader, but he was questioning his destiny right there. There's a pull apart at the end with the Nasty Boys coming to Savage's aid, and Sherri returns in a new dress for a bit more male on female violence.

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Posted 15 February 2011 - 06:38 AM

Jake Roberts vs. Ricky Steamboat, MSG 5/19/86
Jake Roberts vs. Ricky Steamboat, Spectrum 5/31/86


I forgot that Steamboat's original WWF theme was Sirius. That's such a kick-ass theme for the intro to a grudge match. Steamboat looks AWESOME waiting for Roberts in MSG. These are essentially the same match with the same ref spots and the same finish. The Spectrum match is a bit longer for no other reason than it's slower than the MSG match, but the brawling looks a thousand times better than MSG because of the camera set-ups. One of the things I noticed when we did the WWF poll over at Smarkschoice was how shitty the MSG camera work was, but here it makes Steamboat look like a woman. Everybody knows that you have to shoot punches and most other contact in wrestling from an angle that hides the daylight, but it seems as though the MSG guys didn't know how to shoot wrestling. It's a shame really because MSG usually had better heat than Philly. Neither match is great, but fun in a continuation of the feud kind of way. They have a pull apart at the end where they keep doing Lou Thesz press takedowns and punching each other while midcard acts coming running out to separate them. That reminds me of how excited I used to be when people came running out to help. There was always that anticipation of "Who's it gonna be? Who's it gonna be?"

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Posted 08 April 2011 - 09:16 AM

Royal Rumble 1994

I accidentally rented it from netflix, when I meant to get '93. A few comments:

1. Tatanka was really, really over -- both in his match against BamBam and in his rumble appearance. I haven't seen much of the guy, but I quite enjoy him. He's got a great look, good energy, and decent if unspectacular workrate.

2. The crowd could care less about Backlund, and Vince doesn't hype him at all on commentary.

3. The Bret/Owen feud is good stuff. There's a nice recap vid before their tag match with the Quebecers. And Owen's actions during the show really pop the crowd.

4. I like Shawn Michaels, but I am not blind to his faults. His whole "face in peril but overcoming the odds" in the rumble matches always makes me crazy.

5. Diesel is booked like a monster here in the rumble match - he kicks all kinds of ass. I am not sure how the crowd responds. They're kind of quiet. (also, Crush is boring)

6. The Rumble match itself - even with the "shock" ending - is one of the more boring ones.

7. I will never ever say Yokozuna has a limited moveset ever again. He is 1000x times more interesting than Mabel.

8. Steiners are pretty over. Or maybe the crowd just likes making the dog noises when Rick enters. [this all just reminded me how much I love 1999->Present insane roid-monster crazy talker Scott.]

That's enough for now. I confess to skipping the Taker/Yoko casket match because I am kind of Taker'd out this week. And I skipped Razor/IRS because I don't really like either guy in the ring.

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Posted 08 April 2011 - 09:34 AM

6. The Rumble match itself - even with the "shock" ending - is one of the more boring ones.


Yep. Once the Diesel stuff is done, nothing happens until the end. The only cool thing was the little interaction Michaels and Jannetty had, which was neat since really Jannetty was nothing more than an afterthough JTTS at this point. I hate the overscripted version of the post 99 Rumbles, but this one takes the cake for being a huge nothing match. But hey, you got the debut of Kwang and Thurman Sparky Plugg. Ah, the 90's...

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Posted 08 April 2011 - 09:47 AM

I hate the overscripted version of the post 99 Rumbles, but this one takes the cake for being a huge nothing match. But hey, you got the debut of Kwang and Thurman Sparky Plugg. Ah, the 90's...


Seriously. They just wander around, looking confused half the time.

Kwang was the guy who entered #2 with Scotty? Lord in heaven, was he ever a lame Kabuki/Muta wannabe. (ironic, since Kabuki himself was in the fucking rumble)

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Posted 08 April 2011 - 10:16 AM

Kwang was the guy who entered #2 with Scotty? Lord in heaven, was he ever a lame Kabuki/Muta wannabe. (ironic, since Kabuki himself was in the fucking rumble)


No, I think either Samu or Fatu entered #2. Man, I remember way too much useless stuff. Kwang entered later and was eliminated by Diesel. Yeah, not a good gimmick at all for Savio.

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Posted 08 April 2011 - 10:47 AM

Kwang was the guy who entered #2 with Scotty? Lord in heaven, was he ever a lame Kabuki/Muta wannabe. (ironic, since Kabuki himself was in the fucking rumble)


No, I think either Samu or Fatu entered #2. Man, I remember way too much useless stuff. Kwang entered later and was eliminated by Diesel. Yeah, not a good gimmick at all for Savio.


That's right. I was Scott Steiner, then a Headshrinker, then Rick Steiner, then Kwang (who misted Rick immediately).

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Posted 08 April 2011 - 11:05 AM

Or maybe the crowd just likes making the dog noises when Rick enters.


I always thought Rick Steiner would make the most AMAZING junior high school/middle school gym teacher.

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Posted 08 April 2011 - 11:12 AM

I always thought Rick Steiner would make the most AMAZING junior high school/middle school gym teacher.


He looks a lot like the guy from whom I studied jujitsu in 2009 before I went back to being fat and lazy.

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Posted 17 May 2011 - 11:51 AM

Ultimate Warrior vs Sgt. Slaughter - Royal Rumble, 1/19/91

Sarge looks fat and slow, and he's saddled with a difficult gimmick. His prematch promo is crazy over the top, though, and I kind of love him for it. Warrior cuts yet another of his insane promos. I don't know how the Mean Genes of the world handled him without laughing or shaking their heads in amazement. The match itself starts really strong, with Warrior destroying Adnan and his flag. Sarge bumps like crazy for him, until Sherri and Savage run in and cause havok, leaving UW beaten up and struggling to crawl back to the ring. This segment and the bearhug soon after threaten to bring the match to a screaming halt, though, which is too bad because it's been exciting until then. Warrior gets his hulk-up bit, Sarge shows off his Iron Sheik boots, and things start rolling some more. Sherri proves she's crazy and wonderful when she gets thrown over half way across the ring, over the top rope, and onto Savage on the floor. And then the ending, which is supposed to be all shocking but really is kind of a letdown.

Slaughter's skills at pacing the match and working the crowd carry things here. But because he's not in his physical prime, they definitely need Warrior's coke-infused energy to keep it rolling. For the most part, Slaughter is able to harness that energy and make things work. I am not one of those people that hates Warrior. And I like him here. But he needed Slaughter's experience to take his wild, flailing enthusiasm and use it for some actual storytelling.

A good match which does a nice job of setting up the Savage/Warrior feud into Mania. Incidentally, is that a "Bullshit!" chant after the match?

Ultimate Warrior vs. The Macho King Randy Savage, 1/21/91


Savage: "Lord Alfred Hayes, you're everything that you think you are. But you're a figment of your imagination!" Doesn't that sound like something Foley would say a few years later? I love Sherri's freaky makeup and her wild bouncing around in the background. I love Sherri Martel in general.

The beginning is batshit, with Savage hiding behind the chairs and ambushing Warrior, leading to a brawl outside the cage. Once they get into the ring, I have to agree with OJ that the bulk of the match is downright dull. It takes them a good 10 min to remember they even have a cage, and then we get the ridiculous conclusion with Warrior reaching through the cage and holding Savage my his hair.

Because it's Warrior, we will get some misogyny. Sherri gets choked, stripped, and later gorilla slammed. (I think I remember her saying in her shoot that it hurt quite a lot when he dropped her on her tits.) This match is important for the feud, but it was pretty damned boring.

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Posted 17 May 2011 - 07:12 PM

How about the cut to the back with Kabuki and Tenryu laying a beat down on somebody. The look he gives the refs that are breaking it up is priceless.

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Posted 23 May 2011 - 08:09 PM

Watched a couple of things, none of which really grabbed me. The Doink vs. Marty Jannetty 2/3 falls match was okay for a 1993 WWF match but I didn't get the sense that it was some kind of hidden gem. Watched the Regal vs. Austin strap match from 2001 as well and thought that was also predictable. After that, I tried to get some kind of Savage tribute going and watched a match against Steamboat from Houston, but it was after Wrestlemania III and I didn't see much point in a match after the blow off. It was also a pro-shot match with no commentary which was a bit weird.

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Posted 11 July 2011 - 08:16 AM

Randy Savage vs. Bret Hart, Saturday Night's Main Event, 11/28/87

I just got done watching & cataloging all of my Pro/WWW discs from 86-88 so maybe I'm overrating this match because it's such a contrast to Crockett matches of the time but wow, is this match terrific. It's a really well focused match and I felt there was no wasted time at all. Both guys bump around huge in the first part while the focus becomes Savage's leg after the commercial break.

I guess you can also say this match is a testament to WWF production at the time because everything on these SNME shows was so well laid out, produced, and booked that most of the matches were at worst at least somewhat entertaining. But this is still a great match and every bit as good as anything I've seen on NWA TV that year save for Flair-Windham.

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Posted 12 July 2011 - 12:27 AM

Because it's Warrior, we will get some misogyny. Sherri gets choked, stripped, and later gorilla slammed

You mean he beat up the person who has attacked him on numerous occasions unprovoked, including costing him the WWF championship days before? How is that misogyny?

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Posted 12 July 2011 - 08:15 AM

Randy Savage vs. Ted Dibiase, SNME 3/12/88
I recall liking some of the matches in this feud (a couple from MSG and Milwaukee) so I was excited about the match-up but this was disappointing. The match really had no purpose other than to set up the Hogan-Savage/Dibiase-Andre situation for WrestleMania. The wrestling was non-descript for the most part. The transitions were middling and this never got out of 2nd gear.

Randy Savage vs. One Man Gang, SNME 4/30/88
On the other hand, this was a fun all-action match billed as Savage’s first televised WWF Title defense. Really well laid out. I like the way Gang moves around, the way he sells damage and just carries his weight around. Savage was impressive, looking like he was going 100 mph on offense.

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Posted 12 July 2011 - 08:39 AM

Because it's Warrior, we will get some misogyny. Sherri gets choked, stripped, and later gorilla slammed

You mean he beat up the person who has attacked him on numerous occasions unprovoked, including costing him the WWF championship days before? How is that misogyny?


Simple. A man beating a woman is misogyny.

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Posted 12 July 2011 - 08:44 AM

Pah. Chivalry is sexist ;). Actually, isn't it about time wrestling had a serious man vs. woman feud based around the man being feminist/egalitarian and turned the whole "cooking, cleaning and making babies" sexism storyline on its head?

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Posted 12 July 2011 - 10:24 AM

Because it's Warrior, we will get some misogyny. Sherri gets choked, stripped, and later gorilla slammed

You mean he beat up the person who has attacked him on numerous occasions unprovoked, including costing him the WWF championship days before? How is that misogyny?


Simple. A man beating a woman is misogyny.

So Sherri was guilty of misandry?

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Posted 12 July 2011 - 11:32 AM

Because it's Warrior, we will get some misogyny. Sherri gets choked, stripped, and later gorilla slammed

You mean he beat up the person who has attacked him on numerous occasions unprovoked, including costing him the WWF championship days before? How is that misogyny?


Simple. A man beating a woman is misogyny.

So Sherri was guilty of misandry?


What ?

A 270 pound man beating on a woman is just wrong, I don't care if she's a heel. Any man beating on a woman is fucking wrong, and babyface should not touch women.

That was the whole deal about Chyna and what made her cool at the beginning, she was a amazonian female, but babyface wouldn't touch her because she was a woman. Then the first time Austin stunned her the pop was huge because it finally meant something and came after a one year build of Chyna fucking up men without ever getting a receit. You'll tell me I'm hypocritical then taking this example, but Austin at this time was a unique case of an asshole babyface, and Chyna was sold as being as strong as tough as any men.

Warrior bullying Sherri Martel is different, it's just stupid shit that a babyface should never do. Remember how much heat Jake got for one slap to Liz. That worked and was sold as an heinous act. I wish things had stayed that way. That's one of the worst thing ECW brought to wrestling, making babyface violence again women totally acceptable. Of course It had been done in the 80's already but not to the point of becoming banal and even cool. The Duds putting women through tables and getting huge pop was everything wrong about the Attitude era audience. I hated that.

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Posted 12 July 2011 - 11:34 AM

Actually, isn't it about time wrestling had a serious man vs. woman feud based around the man being feminist/egalitarian and turned the whole "cooking, cleaning and making babies" sexism storyline on its head?


Maybe. And time for an arab muslim babyface. And a gay angle that actually makes it allright to be gay and doesn't involve rubbing you own body. It's wrestling though. Dream on.:)




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