Loss Posted February 18, 2011 Report Share Posted February 18, 2011 Talk about it here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loss Posted June 30, 2011 Author Report Share Posted June 30, 2011 No heat. This has its moments and isn't terribly far behind Bret and Shawn's best matches with Sid. It's behind, but it's not a ridiculous gap. Flair, perhaps surprisingly, is much better at getting himself over as an aggressor than Shawn. This isn't Flair vs Luger, Nikita or Sting ... it's a completely different layout than most of the best Flair vs muscleman matches. I guess the closest comparison is Flair/Luger at Bash '88, with spots like the bear hug into the pinfall. When Flair is on offense, the heat slightly picks up, but when he's selling for Sid, the crowd is dead. This is presented as a match where the winner would get a shot at Vader at the Clash, but I think that's a retroactive decision IIRC, since the stabbing incident had already happened when this match aired. Flair wins by DQ after Col. Parker interference. This and the Sting match at Havoc seemed to be paving the way for a Sid turn. Interesting match for Flair vs monster. When you watch Flair vs Giant, you see how much he slipped in those few years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El-P Posted November 3, 2012 Report Share Posted November 3, 2012 No heat. This has its moments and isn't terribly far behind Bret and Shawn's best matches with Sid. It's behind, but it's not a ridiculous gap. Flair, perhaps surprisingly, is much better at getting himself over as an aggressor than Shawn. This isn't Flair vs Luger, Nikita or Sting ... it's a completely different layout than most of the best Flair vs muscleman matches. I guess the closest comparison is Flair/Luger at Bash '88, with spots like the bear hug into the pinfall. When Flair is on offense, the heat slightly picks up, but when he's selling for Sid, the crowd is dead. It was a shitty crowd that was dead also for a very good Steamboat vs Eaton match earlier which had a reasonnably hot stretch to the finish. I agree Flair was really good at being an agressor, and Sid is actually at his best when he's doing the goofy bumping heel, since he's so brutal on offense. Sid had a better match with Sting at Fall Brawl, but Sting suits him better as he's got more spectacular offense that he can bump off of. You can feel Flair is trying to keep things moving, and instills quite a bit of intensity in the match, beating the shit out of the big wimpy Sid on occasion with chops, which Sid hates (he wouldn't take Benoit's in 1999). Decent match, and Flair can get all the credit for it. Fifi, how man Fifi... This is presented as a match where the winner would get a shot at Vader at the Clash, but I think that's a retroactive decision IIRC, since the stabbing incident had already happened when this match aired. Flair wins by DQ after Col. Parker interference. This and the Sting match at Havoc seemed to be paving the way for a Sid turn. It was not a retroactive decision, I think it was taped before Fall Brawl. The plan was to get Vader vs Flair at the Clash then Sid turn face (this was the turn after the match) and have Sid vs Vader at Starrcade. So, the stabbing spared us a horrible babyface Sid reign in 1994, which would probably led to Sid vs Hogan redux. Picture the horror. Interesting match for Flair vs monster. When you watch Flair vs Giant, you see how much he slipped in those few years. I'll get to that point eventually, but yeah, Flair was working extra-hard with Rude and Sid and it showed. I thought he was disapointing early on his comeback, but he sure showed me some good stuff with way inferior opponents. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Ridge Posted January 21, 2014 Report Share Posted January 21, 2014 I really, really like Shawn versus Sid from Survivor Series. So I would put this much below that one but it may not be far from the Royal Rumble effort. More heat would have helped but Flair being more aggressive is good here. I wish he brought that against Sting in their recent match against one another. Parker ends up costing Sid the match. Oh, so the stabbing incident had occurred by air date. If Sid had stuck around and won the title I wonder what that would have done for Flair. He seemed to have the confidence back after winning the title with a great start to 94 until the Hogan show came to town. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeteF3 Posted February 9, 2014 Report Share Posted February 9, 2014 WCW was just papering these TV tapings to death in a desperate effort to look major league on television, which would explain the lack of heat. Flair works really hard, busting out a top-rope chop to the floor and being really energetic on offense. His offensive flurries are the best part of the match. Honestly, Sid tries too--he's just incapable of putting three or more moves together without pausing to stare at the crowd or bail out. Easily the best parts of this are Sid selling for Flair's big chops--not often that Sid's selling carries a match, but here it is. Unfortunately the segments with Sid on top feel like they last about 6 years. I'm all bearhugged out at this point, even if they worked two-counts out of it. Fuck finish as Sid reverses the figure four, but Col. Parker is already in the ring kicking away at Flair, giving him a DQ win and title shot at Vader for the Clash. Sid cements his babyface turn after the match by giving the Colonel a chokeslam as they go off the air. WCW would have been really, really babyface-heavy if that had amounted to anything. They gave it the old college try here but I can't say this was a good match. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garretta Posted February 11, 2017 Report Share Posted February 11, 2017 Three years before, this would have been an epic. Now, it's a match which leads to nothing (although no one could have known that at the time) in front of a dead crowd whch felt disjointed somehow. This pairing had a good match in it somewhere, but this match wasn't it. Sid never truly looked like the monster he should have, even though he got a few power spots in. I hated the selling that Pete thought was so cool; a man who claims to be a monster who rules the world should laugh at those chops, not sell them like Ricky Steamboat. Also, he shouldn't be in a position where a man who almost never hits a move off the top connects three times. When was the last time Flair even went up top three times, let alone hit anything that often? Jesse had Fifi pegged right; if she's going to be at ringside, she better learn to do something besides look good. This is the problem that some people had with Liz; managers/valets shouldn't just be fans with a better seat. They should at least be a slight threat to get physically involved or at least distract their man's opponent enough to turn the tide of a match. Fifi doesn't even do loving concern like Liz did so well; she just stands there and smiles blankly, not even at anything. Besides, Arn and/or Roma should be Flair's second, assuming that the Horsemen are still a group (which I'm honestly not sure about at this point). Speaking of the Horsemen, there was no mention of Sid and Flair's past history as partners in the group, which would have made for an interesting footnote if nothing else. The finish stank, but how else were they going to set up Sid's turn? I liked how Jesse instinctively takes Fuller's side, and the Stud absorbs Sid's chokeslam like a champ. That chokeslam might have been Sid's best-looking move all night long, to be honest. Tony and Jesse were both in pretty good moods here, which helped this match remain watchable. Tony can play straight man to Jesse as well as anyone when the mood strikes him, and it did here. The only false note was when he chided Jesse for telling the director to keep a closeup of Fifi on the screen. Other than that, these two realy seemed to be having fun. Here's my favorite exchange. It comes right after Sid has risked a disqualification by choking Flair: Tony: If Sid gets disqualified, who will get the shot at Vader at the Clash? Jesse: You! Tony (laughing): Yeah, right. No thanks! It doesn't read like much, but after so many months of more than occasionally sounding like they're going to come to blows on the air, it's nice to hear them having fun with each other for a change. I also liked Tony saying that the Awesome Kongs (Jesse's new favorite tag team since the Blonds have broken up) could outeat him at lunch. That last one needs to be heard to be appreciated. If Sid had gone on to a long reign as WCW World champ after eventually dethroning Vader, this match would be a lot more fondly remembered As it is, it's disappointing and a waste of time, at least as far as the title picture goes. Maybe I would have appreciated it more if it was just another upper midcard match without Sid's turn stuck on the end of it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soup23 Posted May 27, 2017 Report Share Posted May 27, 2017 I so want to like this because the structure is well done and Flair is bumping around and doing power spots and what not to help Sid get over but the crowd feels like they are at a wake and Sid didn't really give much in the way of a good to decent performance like he would in 1996-97 vs Bret and Shawn. A good match to watch but this should have made anyone fearful for Starrcade before the scissors incident. **3/4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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