But I've watched:
* at least 95% of the Lakers game this year
* all but 3-4 Duke games this year, 1-2 of them which weren't available on the tube
* I suspect every ManU game this year that's available with 1 possible exception
Just as an aside personally I think there's a huge difference between being fans of a club that plays a sport, and being a fan of a sport.
* I watch the FA Cup Final even when ManU is bounced
* I watch the Champions League Final even when ManU is bounced
* earlier this year, I watched the Carling Cup Final even though ManU wasn't in it
* Scott and I watched the World Cup Final (and a crapload of other matches) even though our teams weren't in it
I'm a Futbol fan. ManU has been my team since 1992/93, but I watch more than just ManU games.
* I pretty much always watch the NBA Finals even if the Lakers aren't in it
* I watch a pretty fair amount of non-Lakers playoff games prior to the Finals
* I probably watch 50-100 non-Lakers regular season games, depending on the year
I'm a pro basketball fan. The Lakers are my team, so they draw most of my attention. But Clippers-Celts a recently got my attention as well. Celts-Heat gets me attention. Checked out the Knicks after the Lebron trade. Spurs against a quality team can get my attention if nothing else is on and I want to get a feel for a potential opponent of the Lakers.
Same generally with College Basketball, though I spent much less time watching non-Duke games because time has been chewed up with other stuff (including futbol and the NBA). When I'm in College Hoops Fan Mode, I'll watch a couple non-Duke games a week.
College football is pretty nuts. I'm a USC Fan, so of course I watch their games. But during football season, Scott and I typically start with the 12:30 pm PT games and watch through at least the 5 pm PT games that end about 8/8:30. If USC is in the evening Pac 10 game, that starts around 7 to 8, and we watch that. We both have the ESPN Package, so we're flipping all over the place: CBS SEC game, ESPN's coverage of everything, ND on NBC, Pac 10 on Fox Sports. It gets really bad if there's an upset brewing in one of the early Big 10 games as I'll be getting a call from Scott between 11-11:30 telling me to tune into a game. We then can go from 11 am PT until 11 PM PT flipping between roughly a dozen games.
Scott's an Auburn Fan. I'm a USC Fan. But we're both big College Football Fans, so we'll check out Bama vs LSU because it could be a good/interesting game that impacts the season.
I watched vastly more college football from September to the first week in January this past season than I have watched wrestling in the past four years *combined*.
And we watched the same amount of football in 2009 and 2008.
When I was a bigger baseball fan back in the 90s into the early 00s, it was the same. Any Braves game when it was on. Giants to check out Bonds. Red Sox when I got a chance. Yanks. Dodgers. Even if it was background TV while working on something, which baseball is great for because you can look up for the money moments of an at bat.
What I'm trying to get at is that College Football Fans, Baseball Fans, NBA Fans, NFL Fans (which I didn't even tough on), College Hoops fans... those folks don't go running around with some nonsensical Marks / Smart / Smarks / IWC tag that they toss around at each other, or proudly wrap around themselves.
They are Fans. Some of them are Big Fans.
Am I a Big Lakers Fan? Perhaps, but not a major one. Yohe, Jag and I don't take the day off to go to those 10 Championship Parades that have happened since 1980... though I work with one woman who does.
I don't go to many Lakers home games: simply can't afford to given how they price the tickets (and parking and food and drinks). I simply watch the games, but a few dvds, and might have two Lakers t-shirts in the cribs... one that goes back to the three-peat and is a bit worn.
Big Duke Fan? People who see me post about them might think so, but I'm nothing compared to Bruce. And Bruce is nothing compared to the people who go to the Arena. I'm a Duke fan... not a casual one, but a serious one.
ManU? Never gone to one of the pubs around here that air the games to hang out with the hardcore fans. But I do get up at 4:30 am in the morning to watch a game when needed.
I'm a serious ManU game.
That's what I'm trying to get at. We are just wrestling fans. We're not groupies. I don't think many of us want to hang out with wrestlers, or be in the business. We like watching our wrestling. Just as serious/big sports fans like watching their sports. We like talking about it, just as serious/big sports fans do. We're modern fans in terms of comminucations: we do a lot of our "talk" online, our "friends" that we talk to are online. Old school sports fans would talk at a bar, or with buddies while watching games, or call into sports radio. We know that we can pop open a browser and find some folks to talk to about wrestling... or if we're on sports boards, about sports.
We are all just fans. I suspect the folks here that go to Comic Con or other fan conventions can tell you that we all fit somewhere on the 1-100 scale. Some higher, some lower.
And no... Will and Lynch aren't 100. That would be Dave, Wade and Alverez... guys like Madden and Scherer who took their fandom and got *inside* the business. Will and Lynch might be making some coin off the business, but until they get hired by the WWE to run the tape library, they're short of 100.
The rest of us... we're down the scale. We are Big Fans, or in some cases *were* big fans and now are pretty damn casual even about things we like.
I'm a huge wrestling enthusiast, but you're well above me. You have a larger collection, have been watching longer, and know more stuff than I do.
My dad has been watching baseball longer than I have, has gone to more games, was a Dodgers season ticket co-holder for about 15 years, played it at a far higher level than I ever did... but when I was at the peak of my baseball fandom (80s through 90s) he'd admit that I was a bigger fan than he was. Probably would admit that even as a kid I was a bigger fan. He'd say it wasn't even close, either.
There is no easy formula to determine bigger fan.
Look at some of your posts for example - on CMax you and Ginnetty are discussing footage in complete/incomplete form, which is beyond the scope of my fandom.
It's actually really narrow: All Japan TV in the 80s and 90s, more than half of years was stuff that I watched at the time. My contribution is really very little on that early 80s AJPW stuff other than curiousity of what aired, what's available, what might be missing, and whether there are any avenues to collect it.
Dylan (and Jerome?) watched everything that ECW ever kicked out. *That* is beyond the scope of my fandom.
I look at Alan 4L's list of 2010 matches that he rated ****+, and it's laughable to think I'll ever again remotely be at that level of caring about wrestling, let alone watching all of those. There are people sifting through all of the WAR and SWS matches available... and god bless them for their efforts. Me? I haven't even popped in a disk from a set on my favorite wrestler of all-time that a friend got me for Christmas. I will eventually, but there's no clearer sign of my "enthusiasm" than that: my Kawada set is sitting on the corner of my desk, I see it every night, and instead I'm currently watching Cracker dvds, getting caught up on the first two seasons of The Mentalist, finishing off this season of Top Chef so I have space for Masters that just started up, am eyeballing those Justified episodes on the bedroom dvr knowing that I have to watch the Season 1 dvd first while trying to resist the temption to pop back in the Firefly disks I finished recently that were so much fun...
I'm not even a wrestling enthusiast anymore.
This thread is about how we define ourselves? I said what it was: I'm a wrestling fan. Want more? A big one, bigger in the past than now. Currently a rather lazy, unethused one who finds it easier to watch probably 50 things *other than* wrestling. It's a bad sign when I'd rather watch a UNC vs UK game... the two college hoops programs I hate the most.
You routinely post Machiavellian-esque lists of matches.
Not much anymore.
You may not think you are a super-fan, but I would believe the contrary. Since you used a number scale, I'd be like a 70-75ish, whereas you're closer to 90ish, and someone like Lynch would be at 100.
Not even close.
Haven't you flown to Japan to watch wrestling?
In 1995 and 1996.
I did a shitload of drugs and booze in college. It was 1984-1987, and even earlier in high school. I haven't had anything to drink since the end of 1987, and no drugs since then other than painkillers after surgery.
I'm not the drunk dopehead I was in college. I'm not the fan I was in 1995-96.
The irony is that I think everyone knows the second part of that. It's well known that I'm not especially relevant anymore, and don't attempt or try to be.
Just a wrestling fan. Someone who has watched more 80s WWF in the past four years than All Japan is little more than "just a fan". A big one in one sense: I still like to talk about it a bit, and collect stuff that I don't always watch. But not terribly enthusiastic, and rather narrow. Which again... I think *everyone* knows. It's not the late 90s anymore, and we all are well aware of that.