Matches You Must See Before You Die
Posted 05 May 2011 - 09:39 PM
Posted 06 May 2011 - 12:50 AM
Posted 06 May 2011 - 02:33 AM
Posted 06 May 2011 - 02:48 AM
1. Hogan vs Sheik at MSG when Hogan wins the belt. Just for the crowd going APESHIT.
2. Slaughter/ Sheik Boot Camp Match
3. Slaughter/ Patterson Boot Camp match
4. Hogan/ Savage at Mania 5
5. Savage/ Steamboat at Mania 3
6. The Dusty/ Superstar matches from the Garden
7. Tito and Bruno vs Adonis and Savage in the cage at MSG
8. Hogan vs Valentine from the Spectrum
And everyone needs to see "Dr. D At Home", the greatest wrestling vignette of all time.
Posted 06 May 2011 - 05:36 AM
Posted 06 May 2011 - 07:08 AM
Definitely. This is one of my fav matches of all time from anywhere. The emotion for me is unbelievably high in this one.
Any list of WWF matches has to include Warrior/Savage from WM VII.
For the WWF's matches you should see before you die here is just a partial list from me
I'd have to give a nod to Angle/Benoit vs Edge/Rey from No Mercy 2002 which is seen by the masses as the best WWF/WWE tag in history. Scary thing is they could've even topped it especially if the WWE was a little less restrictive.
Hogan vs Andre Wrestlemania III
Steamboat vs Macho Man Maple Leaf Gardens
Bret vs DK
Bret vs Mr. Perfect King of the Ring
Bret vs Yokozuna MSG Cage Match
Bret vs Owen Wrestlemania X
Bret vs Austin Wrestlemania 13
Bret vs 123 Kid Longer Version Monday Night Raw
Eddie vs Bradshaw The too much blood match and Smackdown Cage
Eddie vs Benoit Smackdown their last match
Tito vs Mr. Perfect WWF SNME
Hart Foundation vs Demoliton 2/3 Falls Summerslam 90
Ultimate Warrior vs Ravishing Rick Rude Sumerslam 89
Bret vs Diesil almost the complete series
Angle vs Austin Unforgiven? 2001
A ton of Benoit matches though people may have trouble watching them due to the brain damage
Hogan vs Rock Wrestlemania
And a ton more.
Posted 06 May 2011 - 01:48 PM
Posted 06 May 2011 - 01:50 PM
Posted 06 May 2011 - 01:54 PM
EDIT: At any rate, agree or disagree, I think this might be an interesting list to keep in consideration. Not mine, no, but an overall "desert island" kind of list. Since the GOAT has failed to get off the ground (again), maybe we could concentrate on a project of this magnitude? Obviously, I have no problem compiling a list of 310 matches/angles in an hour. Copy and paste, man, copy and paste. I would just need help with dates, suggestions, omissions, stuff of that nature.
Posted 06 May 2011 - 07:44 PM
Posted 06 May 2011 - 09:00 PM
Posted 07 May 2011 - 07:41 AM
Andre/Wepner, that would merit consideration if someone actually had a copy.
This is out there, you should be able to find a copy of it.
Posted 08 May 2011 - 05:04 PM
or Megumi Kudo vs Combat Toyoda from 5/5/96, which for my money is one of the greatest matches of all time.
I actually just rewatched this for the first time in like ten years, and it's without a doubt a top 10 match I've ever seen. Just amazing. And I had forgotten about *the* bump, both masterfully built and absolutely insane. And everything is perfect, the match and the production (well minus that explosion which doesn't happen, but is covered masterfully by Kudo), the intros, the post-match with Onita, just everything. A masterpiece if there's one.
Posted 08 May 2011 - 07:48 PM
And still no comment on my huge list or idea? What's up with that?
Posted 08 May 2011 - 09:07 PM
Posted 08 May 2011 - 09:25 PM
Thanks for the compliment. I think if anything, having a cap size wouldn't necessarily be a thing to include. Why not have a list 1,000 matches strong? I mean, Will and other people are routinely unearthing new footage. Like that one French match from the latest PS compilation (Gilbert Cesca vs. Billy Catanzarro (France 1960s)). Unless that has been common place unbeknownst to me, it is some new and awesome match for our viewing pleasure. Nevertheless, I understand the drawback of not having some sort of cap size. We could easily fill it up with "normal" matches, which would defeat its purpose. So at any rate, if people are interested in such an endeavor, shall the discussions begin?
You could definitely make it into a project. You'd need to clarify a couple of things as a group. Basically, how big you want the list to be, and what constitutes inclusion onto the list. (i.e. 75% agree, something like that).
As far as your own list of 310. Definitely good stuff on the list. A lot of stuff I haven't seen.
My tentative plan would be something like a list per promotion, where discussion/voting/ideas could be hashed out, and once something has received X amount of approval, the approved matches are consolidated onto the "master" list. Or something to that effort.
Some posts from the past:
There are some matches that don't stand out for me. Adonis/Murdoch vs Inoki/Fujinami for example. Fine match from a wrestling standpoint. But what elevates it into a must-see match? Just being a great match doesn't cut it for me, unless it's the very cream of the crop. That is, a match that on its own merits qualifies as a contender for top 10, ever. Otherwise it has to have something interesting in the background about it. At least in my opinion.
Adonis & Murdoch vs. Inoki & Fujinami 12/5/1984 - One of the greatest tag team matches I have ever seen. Murdoch and Adonis are text book heels in this match, and work so well together, and they isolate Fujinami for nearly ten minutes before Inoki gets the hot tag. That whole period, by far, was the best FIP I've ever seen. This match is definitely worth going out of your way to watch, buy, download, or however you get your wrestling fix. If I was to rate this out of snowflakes, it gets the full monty *****.
EDIT: I removed the links, I was unaware of them not being allowed.
I re-watched the 12/5/1984 WWF vs. NJPW match today.
It's even better watching it now since I've been watching so much AJPW and NJPW lately. By far, the greatest tag team match I've ever seen NJPW pump out in the 80's, and the greatest heavyweight tag in NJPW's history.
Its been nearly two years since my initial viewing of this match. It's still my favorite NJ heavyweight tag of the 80's, and I still think it's the best of all of their heavyweight tags, even over the 11/90 match. Just great, great wrestling.
Agreed on the 84 tag final. I had not come across much hype for the match when I first watched it, so I was completely blown away. I actually went back and watched the match again immediately afterward, which is something I never have the patience to do.
If I had to use a personal pick for its inclusion, I would. Easily one of my favorite matches ever. This is where the voting process would work best. I find it worthy, whereas you don't. Some may agree with you, which would be disagreeing with me. I'm okay with that. I hope the same would be kosher with you. Subjectivity is subjectivity, man
Posted 08 May 2011 - 10:09 PM
I honestly cannot think of a single match that is on tape.
I assume you are also asking of stuff that isn't taped? If yes, then probably one of the Holy Grail Ric Flair matches, like his July '82 match against Backlund. I have always felt there would be real moments of hate, stiffness, and overall dickheadness from both guys.
They worked before at least once in Toronto several years before. I suspect they got along fine. Bob and Harley got along fine in their MSG match.
Whether it was any good... who knows. Bob typically tended to work Bob matches, while Ric would work Ric matches. The might make it a little disjointed at times, but probably not. Ric was more than willing to bitch out, and if one looks at the Harley-Bob match, Bob dominates it even though Harley had a fair amount of stuff left in the holster that he could have done to fill space if he'd been on top more. Suspect Bob would have done a lot of controlling with something like the headlock and ground headlock. Ric would have cheated to be on top, and bitch out to go back on the defense.
Posted 09 May 2011 - 01:43 AM
By the way, what did I do to deserve that?
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