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Kenta Kobashi & Tsuyoshi Kikuchi vs Doug Furnas & Dan Kroffat (AJPW Super Power Series 05/25/92)

AJPW Super Power Series May 25 1992 Kenta Kobashi Tsuyoshi Kikuchi Doug Furnas Dan Kroffat 4.5* Miyagi

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#1 Loss

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Posted 18 June 2011 - 10:00 AM

Talk about it here.



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Posted 25 July 2011 - 12:12 PM

There must have been some botching for them to STILL clip it on the big Kobashi comp that this was taken from. The added footage is good, though the thing it adds the most is the intros. Things only really get in gear after the TV JIP, and man do they ever GO. Kikuchi at his best as FIP, Can-Ams at their best in control, Kobashi is a very effective hot tag, and the finish is molten. Not as 'deep' as the very best AJ of the decade, but as a de facto juniors match it's as good as anything else you'll see.

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Posted 25 July 2011 - 01:03 PM

This is the best regular "southern-style" tag ever, right?

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Posted 25 July 2011 - 01:11 PM

Looks like from an earlier Bix post when this first turned up that 19:00 of the 22:11 aired. How much aired on the original JIP?

Thought from the thread here back in 2008:

Fun to watch this in near complete form after all these years.

I wonder why they bothered to edit three minutes out of it. If they needed to cut three to fit the air time, I almost would have been tempted as a producer to cut out the intros instead, JIP it roughly three in, and include the title presentations. It was Kikuchi's first title win if I recall correctly.

To things jump to mind watching it:

It's far more My Turn, Your Turn down the stretch than I recall, rather than "runs" on offense down the stretch. To a degree that makes it feel more "modern", as in Nitro-style and what we see all over the place since.

It also is probably a good exhibit for what was being talked about in relation to Alverez. I tend to think if a match *exactly* like that happened today on Raw with wrestlers who were over with the fans _and_ who were held in respect of hardcores as workers similar to how the Can-Ams, Kobashi and Kikuchi were held in those days, and that had the sort of emotional payoff this did (fan favorite faces winning the title) that it would be rated as a *****. Easy.

Someone might say it would need to be updated to "modern moves", but I don't think that's the case at all. The flying was perfectly modern enough - diving headbut (Benoit), moonsault (Kobashi's always smoked the fuck out of Shawn's pancy ass versions), splash (Eddy's frogsplash is a variation), and a pair of sky high lariats with wicked bumps. I don't think you need to update any of that to a shooting star press, or dives out of the ring.

The non-flying was modern enough, and didn't have the some of the overworked set up you'll see with the Kanyonesque moves that form flashy non-flying moves these days.

The mat work wasn't off the charts, but if someone got Kikuchi'd like Kikuchi did in the crabs, the ground back stretchy thing (my memory of the Big Book Of Moves is fading) and the later corba clutches, with the moves being as over as these were here, then it would have gotten some big bonus points (especially for stuff like Kobashi's cool legdrop to break on, and his efforts to break Furnas' crab).

I don't think this is the best All Japan tag of the era seeing it in near-full. But it's pretty darn watchable.



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Posted 28 July 2011 - 10:37 PM

The best crowd in the entire history of pro wrestling combined with wrestlers going all out with tons of big moves and great nearfalls makes for a classic match. I agree that it's not the "deepest" match in All Japan, but it may be the most satisfying. Not too much for me really to say because I think the match speaks really well for itself.

#6 MJH

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Posted 29 July 2011 - 12:30 PM

I'm not so sure it's the loudest/most responsive crowd, though. It goes without saying but Crush Gals...

There's also, this, which surely has to be piped, but they didn't pipe any of the other comms, certainly nowhere near to that extent, and the other two matches are noticeably quieter (though not quiet by any means).

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Posted 01 August 2011 - 02:12 AM

It might not be the best All Japan match but it sure is the most fun. Loved the crowd going nuts and the announcer too. Kroffat and Furnas were just so great and brutal. Poor Kikuchi.

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Posted 29 August 2011 - 12:31 AM

I thought this was awesome. I was biting on all the false finishes. You can see how the indy's just try to duplicate this style. You really wish the Can-Ams would have made a run in the states when they could still go. All I can say is wow.

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Posted 08 January 2012 - 12:17 AM

Anybody who said that this match doesn't hold up due to lack of MOVEZ is a blithering idiot. And in the thread that jdw quoted from, I see that Baba had a policy of giving wrestlers their first title wins in their hometowns. I guess that makes him the anti-Vince. I agree that this represents the Southern tag in its highest form. Bonus points for Fukuzawa yelling "FIYAAAAA!" after Kobashi's double clothesline and again after the moonsault. I also liked the ref's decision to raid Joe Higuchi's closet.

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Posted 13 March 2012 - 12:59 PM

Anybody who said that this match doesn't hold up due to lack of MOVEZ is a blithering idiot.


I don't think anyone did. It's pretty close to state of the art level for 1992.

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Posted 06 September 2012 - 07:09 PM

As said above one of the best crowds for a wrestling match. Looks to be standing room only in the back. Anytime Kikuchi hits a move they just flip out. When he gets locked in a submission they freak out until he gets out of it. Fun match with a crowd that brings it to another level. Kroffat seems to be enjoying playing the bad guy here. Editing the first couple minutes off didn't hurt it all for me. Remains a lot of fun to watch after multiple viewings.

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Posted 20 September 2012 - 01:00 AM

An all time classic and one of those magical nights in wrestling history. This was the greatest crowd of all time and you had 3 of the wrestlers delivering career best performances. The execution was top notch, the structure was spot on, the pacing flawless. The FIP segment was timed to perfection and I'd forgotten how amazing the stretch is. Thrilling near falls, fantastic double team moves and such emotion with of course the right result. Of course the Kikuchi beatdown was awesome but that was just the start. Even with a regular AJ crowd from the era this would probably end up in my top 10 for the year they worked the match so well. As it is this is my #2 for 92.

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 05:11 PM

How many crowds have ever approached this one? I've read about Misawa-Jumbo and always heard you had to be there to feel it, but by comparison this made Budokan look like it was populated by mutes that night. I don't know what the legacy of this match is without that crowd nor am I all that concerned with it. Just a phenomenal performance by all involved, one of those matches you show someone when they ask why you're a wrestling fan.

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Posted 17 April 2013 - 04:24 PM

Rewatching this for the yearbook I still loved it. Only thought I'd add is that if I had to, I'd probably take Kawada & Kikuchi vs. Can-Ams from February over it. ****1/2

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Posted 09 May 2013 - 06:42 PM

This was awesome! I watched this a few years ago, and I remember the crowd being bonkers. My memory was dead on. As like others said their might have been better matches, but I don't know if I'd want to watch many other over this.

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Posted 28 July 2013 - 11:38 PM

DEE DEE TEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE. One of the most joyous wrestling experiences you could ever imagine. This was one of my puro gateway drugs and I suspect it was for a lot of other people as well. In addition to all the other awesomeness this is probably Kikuchi's peak as an *offensive* wrestler, at least so far. He hits some nice moves and comes off as perfectly credible going up against Furnas. I guess I can't really give it a full ***** but once it gets going after the initial JIP point it's about the most perfectly executed wrestling match ever done.

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Posted 28 August 2013 - 05:35 AM

I'm gonna steal my own metaphor that used for the Shawn/Foley match from Mind Games. For one magical night, the stars were aligned just right. The perfect team of gaijin dick heels, the perfect face in peril, the perfect hot tag, and the perfect, rabid, crowd. Kikuchi's goal seemed to be to make sure his life ended on this night, he takes every bump that he can possibly take, and Doug almost breaks him in half with the crab hold.

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Posted 29 March 2014 - 04:18 PM

The full match was uploaded to Youtube. It is i think taken from this 2012 Kobashi comp:

 

DVD 1
9/5/96 Kenta Kobashi vs. Stan Hansen 26:07 complete
10/23/99 Kenta Kobashi/Jun Akiyama vs. Misawa/Ogawa 27:25 complete
6/5/92 Kobashi/Misawa vs. Jumbo/Tsuruta/Akira Taue
9/3/94 Kobashi vs. Steve Williams

DVD 2
1/24/95 Kobashi/Misawa vs. Kawada/Taue
7/24/96 Kobashi vs. Taue
1/20/97 Kobashi vs. Misawa
7/25/97 Kobashi/Johnny Ace vs. Steve Williams/Gary Albright
10/21/97 Kobashi vs. Misawa
10/31/98 Kobashi vs. Misawa

DVD 3
3/1/03 Kobashi vs. Misawa 33:28 complete
7/16/03 Kobashi/Tamon Honda vs. Takayama/Shinya Makabe 27:13 complete
10/19/02 Kobashi/Shiga vs. Akiyama/Saito

DVD 4
4/13/03 Kobashi vs. Tamon Honda
8/26/03 Kobashi vs. Bison Smith
3/6/04 Kobashi vs. Takeshi Rikio
7/10/04 Kobashi vs. Jun Akiyama
12/4/04 Kobashi vs. The Gladiator
6/4/06 Kobashi/Honda vs. Morishima/Mohammed Yone

DVD 5
1/27/91 Kobashi/Johnny Ace vs. Joe Deaton/Billy Black 16:46 complete
5/25/92 Kobashi/Kikuchi vs. Kroffat/Furnas 22:11 complete
******This match is considered to be a holy grail! They claim it is uncut on the box, but it seems to be 28 seconds short of complete. Based on my observations, I don't see any edits, and they have gotten times wrong before******
1/29/94 Kobashi/Misawa/Baba vs. Kawada/Taue/Fuchi 39:02 complete

DVD 6
5/1/98 Kobashi/Ace vs. Hansen/Vader 22:12 complete
5/2/99 Kobashi/Akiyama/Hakushi vs. Ace/Road Warriors 17:37 complete
7/4/99 Kobashi/Kentaro Shiga vs. Takayama/Omori 8:45 complete
12/7/02 Kobashi vs. Bison Smith 8:47 complete
1/26/03 Kobashi/KENTA vs. Misawa/Marufuji 16:18 complete



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Posted 02 April 2014 - 06:05 PM

Does look pretty complete, and one assumes a DVD release in Japan since there are no network logos.  I assume that's a listing from Dan?  Looks a bit like his styling.

 

Anyway, we're now up to about 21:45 of the "22:11", and it does look a bit like the timer guy was off on one end of the bells.  :)



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Posted 15 February 2016 - 03:43 PM

This is a great match, but in a year where the Royal Rumble featured the greatest Flair performance ever, and in a promotion where Misawa and Jumbo and their friends have great matches at the drop of a hat, I can hardly heap the praise on it that some of you have. Having said that, Kikuchi finally gets to the top of the mountain, which is a great thing to see, and I've never seen Kroffat and Furnas look better. I get that Bill Watts wanted to bring his boy Doc home, so that's why the MVC got the call to WCW, but I wonder if he couldn't have gotten better matches for the Steiners out of the Can-Ams.

 

I wasn't really paying attention to the crowd, but one of the reasons they may have been so hot is because these four guys took everything to the limit. The pin saves were timed to the very last possible instant, the submission holds looked like they were designed to break bones and impossible to get out of without help from the respective partners (Furnas' crab in particular looked excruciating), and the kickouts were true escapes at the two and three-quarter mark more often than not. This being a hometown crowd for Kikuchi put the cherry on top.

 

Even though this may not be the best Japanese tag match we've seen this year so far, it beats the hell out of anything we've seen from the States.  I've been waiting for a place to mention this, and this is as good as any: It utterly amazes me that we haven't seen a WWF tag match featuring regular teams since LOD/Nasties at SummerSlam '91. Nothing from the LOD's title reign made either the '91 or '92 sets, and now we're deep into the first run of Money Inc. and we've still seen nothing. 

 

Over in WCW, the last tag title match we saw was Steamer and Dustin winning the belts at the November '91 Clash; Arn and Bobby's reign, though mentioned a few times during other bouts, wasn't represented on this set, and by now they've lost the belts to the Steiners. That's not a knock on Will by any means, but rather an indictment of how bad tag team wrestling was in the Big Two, at least at the championship level, during this time.







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