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Stan Hansen vs Mitsuharu Misawa (AJPW Summer Action Series II 08/22/92)

AJPW Summer Action Series August 22 1992 Stan Hansen Mitsuharu Misawa Budokan Hall Title Changes

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#1 Loss

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Posted 18 June 2011 - 11:01 AM

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Posted 16 August 2011 - 11:33 AM

My most recent writeup: "Let me tell you about this match. When I was first getting tapes in 2001, I thought this was awful. A couple years later I still thought it was bad. But now that I understand things with a bit more context and backstory, there's a lot of good stuff in here. Misawa's facelock was just a year removed from submitting Jumbo, and if it doesn't do the job on its own then it still can set up a knockout elbow like his '91 match with Gordy. Meanwhile, Misawa is one month removed from a shoulder injury and Hansen does a really good job of working it over. Plus they even reference the finish of their '91 match. So yes, this is a fairly methodical match, and they use their ring smarts to make up for not doing three dozen finishers."

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Posted 19 August 2011 - 08:47 PM

Really not something I'd call a disappointing match unless I didn't already know before I watched it that it was a disappointing match. But it's very, very dull. Still, Misawa winning the TC for the first time is a tremendous moment.

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Posted 19 August 2011 - 09:20 PM

The fundamental psych of the match is based on Misawa's shoulder injury, which isn't on the set.

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Posted 27 August 2011 - 01:43 AM

The finish is good and heated but yeah the bulk of the match wasn't that interesting. Not bad per say but lots of work on the shoulder.

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Posted 27 September 2011 - 10:30 PM

I thought this was good. It was a methodical bout. I thought the work was smart and told a basic story. Hansen was great working over Misawa's arm. The shoulder breaker on the guardrail was a great spot. The finish was a tad anti climatic though.

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Posted 10 January 2012 - 03:20 PM

The thing about Hansen's matches with Misawa is that they're not really Stan Hansen matches. Hansen's matches with Kobashi and Kawada were brutal brawls. His matches with Misawa, on the other hand, tend to be more conventional wrestling matches. From that perspective, this was fine. It's not remotely close to either guy's best match. It's not even their best match with each other. But I'm kind of surprised that it wasn't even nominated for Ditch's best of the 90s project. Knowing about Misawa's shoulder going in helps quite a bit, I think.

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Posted 20 September 2012 - 07:27 PM

Hansen works the shoulder on the mat and uses the guard rail outside for a shoulder breaker which was nice. Overall match wasn't much though. It's a nice moment for Misawa to finally win the TC but I felt the finish itself was flat. Misawa hits a forearm smash, takes a few seconds to recover and then makes the pin. Would have been more believable in a longer and more physical match. Plus Hansen pops right up after.

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Posted 23 December 2012 - 02:43 AM

It's not remotely close to either guy's best match. It's not even their best match with each other. But I'm kind of surprised that it wasn't even nominated for Ditch's best of the 90s project.

A bit late on this but what a confusing statement. I seem to be the main proponent of the match and I wouldn't put it in the top 100 matches for AJ in the '90s, let alone top 50. I doubt anyone would. So there's no surprise it wasn't nominated.

I'll add that none of the three matches they reference (which I run through in my writeup above) have come up yet on these sets. Without the full context I can understand not liking it... after all, I didn't like it for years.

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Posted 23 December 2012 - 10:13 PM

A bit late on this but what a confusing statement. I seem to be the main proponent of the match and I wouldn't put it in the top 100 matches for AJ in the '90s, let alone top 50. I doubt anyone would. So there's no surprise it wasn't nominated.

I'll add that none of the three matches they reference (which I run through in my writeup above) have come up yet on these sets. Without the full context I can understand not liking it... after all, I didn't like it for years.


It came in 37th in the DVDVR best of the 90s voting. I wouldn't go to bat for it as a top 50 match, but it wouldn't be horribly out of place either.

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Posted 24 December 2012 - 10:53 PM

The DVDVR vote was done as well as possible for just after the decade ended, but it did have some issues. I get a sense that many voters hadn't seen more than a couple dozen matches. JDW casually (and correctly) dismissed a TON of bouts in his pimping post that got votes, many even getting multiple. My vote had the benefit of time and cheaper web/DVD distribution. DVDVR vote really nailed the top tier, which is what matters most.

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Posted 09 August 2013 - 02:19 PM

Not a ton to add here, as I seem to agree with the consensus that it doesn't measure up to either man's best, which means its just a good match and a monumental moment. I always love Hansen yelling "ask him" at the ref to check if Misawa wants to quit while working over his elbow. Matches like this help build the elbow as much as all the times its used as a finisher because Hansen essentially treats it as as great a threat as the rest of the company always treated his Lariat. The finish was a little flat as there was a huge delay before the count that seemed to suggest it'd keep going. ***1/2

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Posted 24 August 2013 - 03:00 PM

I didn't like this at all the first time either, and that was while watching all of '92 AJPW. Looking at it now, it's not THAT bad, but they could have JIP'd this 10 minutes in and I don't think we would have missed a thing. It picks up once Hansen really goes after the shoulder in earnest, and his work there is the high point of the match. It gets better from there but is still a letdown from their matches earlier in the year, and the finish is an anticlimax. I would have preferred Hansen falling straight back and Misawa collapsing backwards on top of him for the pin, the way Hansen often pinned people after hitting a desperation Lariat. This is quite a historical card that deserved a better main event.

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Posted 13 June 2014 - 02:38 AM

I really loved this and it instantly became one of my favourite AJ matches. I'm one of those people who are bored by a lot of 90s AJPW so I guess it's a matter of preference. The opening work was tremendous. I enjoy watching talented workers battling over tight holds and they did a great job here. Even simple things like Hansen escaping a headlock or Misawa retaliating with a series of elbows to Hansen's arm felt really important. It also helped that Hansen just beat the shit out of Misawa throughout the match. His shoulder block might be one of my favourite spots ever - I mean just imagine this huge Texan with notoriously bad eyesight crashing his body into yours at full speed. The bit on the apron with both guys stubbornly battling for control and Misawa leaping into some kind of desperation elbow drop was also really great. The whole match was a hard stubborn battle for control really. Misawa trying to facelock Hansen with his weak arm then switching sides and almost putting him away was one of the coolest spots I've seen. The finishing run was also really great. It didn't have big bumps or anything but they really got you to believe they could put eachother away with basic submissions, and Hansen repeatedly crushing Misawa underneath him was brutal. The finish was the only real logical way for Misawa to beat this fucker and they had done a great job building toward it. You see so many shitty meaningless elbow exchanges these days that Misawa really looks like a GOAT contender just based on all his extremely well timed strikes that he lands with considerable smack. Great match, the bad rep is undeserved.



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Posted 13 June 2014 - 01:25 PM

I thought the finish of this helped put over the elbow even more than Jumbo already had.  Everybody knew Hansen was a tough dude who liked to brawl.  So when you put him away with an elbow, it means something.  Also, I thought it drew the line between Misawa putting away somebody who wasn't really a challenge (early Kawada, Kobashi matches) with suplexes and tigerdrivers and how Misawa had to put away somebody who simply wasn't going to let him get his preferred finishers on them.



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Posted 27 February 2015 - 12:11 AM

Two years after his breakthrough Misawa becomes the ace and company leader. It would've occurred a bit later without Jumbo's illness. Baba certainly wasn't a progressive booker. It took a while to get going. Knowing that Misawa was coming off a shoulder injury was important. Hansen attacking the left shoulder wouldn't have made a whole lot of sense otherwise as Misawa does all his damage with the right arm. What this had in its favour were some brutal shots and a big match atmosphere. It felt important. In the end the elbow of death goes over and a new era begins. Good overall.

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Posted 27 December 2015 - 02:50 AM

I quite liked the 8/92 Triple Crown match. It was a nice blend of an older, more traditional build mixed with slightly more modern elements, and decidedly different from anything Hansen was doing with the other kids. Whoever raised the point about Hansen's matches against Misawa being deliberately different than against Kawada or Kobashi is spot on. The only thing I didn't love was the finish. Misawa knocking Hsnsen out with his elbow is a bit of a hard sell, but I really wish Misawa hadn't gone down afterward and teased the double knockout and rolled him over straight away or fallen on top of him after hitting the elbow. Everybody "feels" finishing stretches differently, but to me the pause before rolling him over was a false note. I can understand trying to milk the moment for all it's worth, but I would have bought the knock out blow more if Hansen hadn't stayed down for so long.

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Posted 06 April 2016 - 05:30 AM

Now that I know why there was so much armwork on Misawa. my opinion of this has gone up a bit. I still prefer Hansen the out-of-control brawler, but at least him slowing the bout down in order to target Misawa's bad shoulder makes a bit more sense now. It was well done in any case, as was Misawa's work on Hansen's lariat arm in return. But this really started to pick up when they started throwing forearms and kicks. The one knockout forearm from Misawa really took me by surprise, since he's been using the facelock as his finisher for quite some time.

 

I liked that you could actually hear Higuchi gibing commands, particularly to Stan. I especially liked him telling Stan "No more outside!" like he was talking to a naughty puppy. (Not that Stan listened to him, of course.)

 

It's nice to see Misawa as the new king of All-Japan, even if his "coronation" could have stood to be a lot more exciting. The question is: With Jumbo out of the title picture (and soon to be out of the promotion), who's going to be Misawa's top challenger after Stan gets his rematch?



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Posted 10 July 2017 - 02:39 PM

Yeah I really liked this. The call of Misawa and Hansen being stubborn with how much they wanted to gain control is perfect. Dual armwork from both with them trying to wiggle out of holds or just resorting to beating on eachother was well done and kept me intrigued. And I love how in between they'd just periodically kick or slap at the other guy to get across not only a sense of disdain but also desperation to get an advantage. That battle near the ropes with Misawa stuffing Hansen's shoulder blocks and then immediately diving on top of him after he created some space was awesome. But I will say I fall on the side of thinking the finish missed a count with how it was executed. I have no problem with Misawa KO elbow finishes but I feel like he should've been ducking a lariat or maybe just a little bit faster to get over for the cover. Either way, still a great match. 







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