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#1 Cross Face Chicken Wing

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Posted 25 August 2011 - 08:53 AM

http://www.grantland...stler-real-life

Most of the people on this board are probably familiar with everything discussed in this story, but it's still very depressing to read all of this when it's clumped together.

#2 Ditch

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Posted 25 August 2011 - 09:05 AM

Really good article, albeit sad.

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Posted 25 August 2011 - 09:46 AM

1/2 way through reading it, never heard the stories about Reid before, sad stuff. Seems like a small miracle Flair's never gotten any significant jail given how many legal troubles he's had. Comes across like one of the greatest con men to ever live given how many diffrent people he's managed to get to give him loans he wouldn't/couldn't pay back and invest in businesses with him that were doomed to failure.

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Posted 25 August 2011 - 09:59 AM

Comes across like one of the greatest con men to ever live given how many diffrent people he's managed to get to give him loans he wouldn't/couldn't pay back and invest in businesses with him that were doomed to failure.


Now that's a worker.

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Posted 25 August 2011 - 10:25 AM

Does Meltzer still cling to the "he has millions in retirement accounts" story?

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Posted 25 August 2011 - 10:34 AM

Paints a really bad picture of his second wife. Its funny in a sad way he is still on the hook to pay her considering she is at least just as responsible for the mess he is in financially.

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Posted 25 August 2011 - 11:41 AM

I know he LIVED the fucking lifestyle. Along with turning all sorts of colours cutting promos but has his heart condition - alcoholic cardiomyopathy ever been reported on before?

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Posted 25 August 2011 - 12:27 PM

I don't think it had been. Why were so many people making the ROH suit out to be dead with the Sinclair purchase when it turns out they won?

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Posted 25 August 2011 - 12:40 PM

I know he LIVED the fucking lifestyle. Along with turning all sorts of colours cutting promos but has his heart condition - alcoholic cardiomyopathy ever been reported on before?


I am interested with the source of that. Almost all of the rest of the items look like they're from court papers. There's some ugly stuff that's come out in them, no doubt some of it he-said-she-said... though not to the degree that Flair Defenders make out. But the alcoholic cardiomyopathy... where is that from? I don't think Ric would ever use it in one of his own filings, or cop to it in a depo unless really pushed with clear evidence. I would guess that it might be in the last divorce and that she dropped it into the record.

His twitter is: @TobaccoRdBlues

Can someone on twitter ask him the source of that specific item?

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Posted 25 August 2011 - 01:01 PM

Does Meltzer still cling to the "he has millions in retirement accounts" story?


I think we found out what happened to the millions in retirement accounts.

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Posted 25 August 2011 - 01:08 PM

And it happened long before Dave started pointing to them. :) John

#12 Cross Face Chicken Wing

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Posted 25 August 2011 - 01:22 PM

I plan to later tonight. I can't go through the entire piece again right now, but I'm guessing it must've been in one of the divorce papers.

I know he LIVED the fucking lifestyle. Along with turning all sorts of colours cutting promos but has his heart condition - alcoholic cardiomyopathy ever been reported on before?


I am interested with the source of that. Almost all of the rest of the items look like they're from court papers. There's some ugly stuff that's come out in them, no doubt some of it he-said-she-said... though not to the degree that Flair Defenders make out. But the alcoholic cardiomyopathy... where is that from? I don't think Ric would ever use it in one of his own filings, or cop to it in a depo unless really pushed with clear evidence. I would guess that it might be in the last divorce and that she dropped it into the record.

His twitter is: @TobaccoRdBlues

Can someone on twitter ask him the source of that specific item?

John



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Posted 25 August 2011 - 01:41 PM

That was a total train wreck to read. PLus his beatings that both his sons take from old school wrestlers. I believe it was Ole who punched David at a convention a few years back. This year it was the Raging Bull call Reid a crackhead and smacking him around. Only in wrestling where former co workers start fights with your sons. I can safely say I have never even been close to be punched by my Dad's former co workers.

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Posted 25 August 2011 - 02:22 PM

What was the point of the article?

#15 Bix

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Posted 25 August 2011 - 02:28 PM

What was the point of the article?

That there's a lot of documented proof of how screwed up Flair is that nobody has bothered to look through before, I guess.

Did a run-down of the new information at BR. And as long as the list is, it doesn't even scratch the surface of everything covered in the article.

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Posted 25 August 2011 - 03:33 PM

What was the point of the article?


I thought the intro summed up the point of it:

The story of Ric Flair was once about a college dropout who rose through the ranks of professional wrestling to become a legend. It was about his nickname, "The Nature Boy," and his signature figure four leglock, both lifted from an older wrestler named Buddy Rogers. It was about his multiple championships, his bleach-blond hair, his fast-talking patter (by his own reckoning, Flair was a "stylin', profilin', limousine-riding, jet-flying, kiss-stealing, wheelin'-n'-dealin' son of a gun!"), and his signature, trademarked cry: "WOOO!"

Today the story is about a man known in the court system as Richard Morgan Fliehr, 62, born in 1949 and adopted by parents who raised him in Minnesota. That's what he was called this past April, when a judge ejected Fliehr from his Charlotte home because he couldn't pay his rent. That's what he was called in May, when he faced an arrest order for an unpaid $35,000 loan. That's what he's called on the paychecks from Total Nonstop Action, a second-tier outfit where he's still compelled to perform despite suffering from alcoholic cardiomyopathy, and where almost everything he earns goes toward old debts: lawyers, ex-wives, the IRS, former business partners, and anyone who made the mistake of lending him money.

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The Mecklenburg County courthouse in Charlotte contains thousands of pages documenting Fliehr's legal adventures.

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Taken together, the information produces a rough timeline that illustrates Fliehr's self-destructive impulses. It includes excesses that Hollywood screenwriters wouldn't have the audacity to invent, and yet it follows its own logic — one bad decision comes after another, each magnifying the damage of the one to follow.


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Posted 25 August 2011 - 06:12 PM

That was a total train wreck to read. PLus his beatings that both his sons take from old school wrestlers. I believe it was Ole who punched David at a convention a few years back. This year it was the Raging Bull call Reid a crackhead and smacking him around. Only in wrestling where former co workers start fights with your sons. I can safely say I have never even been close to be punched by my Dad's former co workers.


Oddly, Fifi the Maid said that Manny was going after her verbally for some reason, and that Reid stepped in to defend her.

I can't imagine anyone but hardcore wrestling fans reading that whole thing, there had to be a more engaging way to format it.

#18 Cross Face Chicken Wing

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Posted 25 August 2011 - 06:49 PM

What was the point of the article?


Flair's a big time celeb in the Carolinas, not just some wrestler. As far as I know, no comprehensive review of his misdeeds has been done by a mainstream -publication. There have been short blurbs in the local papers whenever he has a run-in w/ the police, but that's about it.

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Posted 25 August 2011 - 07:16 PM

It might have been a more fun read with a few more voices in the story, but in a way, I admire the notion that a stripped-down recitation of Flair's legal history paints the truest picture of his existence. I'm sure the writer wanted it to feel uncomfortable. Has anyone else gotten the impression that Flair just isn't terribly bright? It's hard to distinguish between that and his gross immaturity, but I remember thinking the same thing after watching his shoot interview.

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Posted 25 August 2011 - 08:13 PM

It might have been a more fun read with a few more voices in the story, but in a way, I admire the notion that a stripped-down recitation of Flair's legal history paints the truest picture of his existence. I'm sure the writer wanted it to feel uncomfortable. Has anyone else gotten the impression that Flair just isn't terribly bright? It's hard to distinguish between that and his gross immaturity, but I remember thinking the same thing after watching his shoot interview.


Flair still spends thousands of dollars per month on lavish housing, dining, and toys while owing money to several individuals and the government. The guy's a genius!

I think I'd call Flair a lying, cheating, lowlife scumbag before I'd call him stupid.




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