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#1 Tim Cooke

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Posted 07 November 2011 - 09:45 AM

If this doesn't need it's own thread, feel free to merge but I watched some really cool stuff this weekend and wanted to write about it somewhere. Lawler vs. Snowman worked-shoot Mid South Colosseum match from June 1990 Phil's review: Jerry Lawler v. The Snowman USWA 6/11/90-GREAT Totally bizarre spectacle. This is set up by a shoot angle with Snowman coming out of the audience at the TV studio and interrupting a Lawler interview. He accuses Lawler of ducking him because he is Black and they have a really frenetic pull apart. That leads to this match and it was one of the most realistic "guys aren't cooperating" matches I have ever seen. Lots of wild swinging awkward punches and cool Lawler takedowns, there are parts where both guys are going for the eyes which is kind of what you would expect in a racial tinged street fight. Crowd is totally electric, you get the sense they really got the crowd to buy into the whole angle. Reminded me of a Southern Fried version of Onita v. Aoyagi. Match is pretty short (about five minutes, although the footage maybe clipped) and that keeps this from the Epic pile, but it is definitely worth seeing, and something unique for Lawler. -------------- Fucking amazing find by Loss. I think everyone is pretty familiar with the Snowman/Lawler angle, but to find this match and have it be great is what makes the current age of DVD trading so awesome. Loss told me this was a PWFG style match in Memphis. That description is just about perfect, as it feels very organic, your typical Fujiwara versus Olympic Russian wrestler 7 minute match. I was compiling my personal ***** matches list this weekend and the fundamental flaw with star ratings is how do you rate something this awesome, but compare it to regular 15 minute matches or epic 30+ minute matches? On my short list, this has to be one of the greatest sub 10 minute matches. Right there with MX/Fantastics (Clash I - though that might be 10:30, close enough); Windham/Luger vs. Tully/Arn (Clash I), Jindrak vs. Basham (Velocity), etc. More later on some other stuff I watched --- including Juventud vs. Perro Jr. from 7/15/95, Santo vs. Espanto 4/10/88 (which I now believe is the greatest of the 3 singles matches we have available on tape), Damiancito/Pierrothito vs. Cicloncito/Dragoncito from April 1997, and Gotch vs. Yoshimura from JWA in 1961.

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Posted 07 November 2011 - 10:34 AM

I JUST saw the Lawler entrance vs Dream Machine at the end of 80 in his first real match back and it is tremendous.

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Posted 07 November 2011 - 11:13 AM

Starting in April of this year, I began watching every wrestling PPV from 2000 through 2004 (excluding Mexico and Japan until I can obtain them) as I do my re-examination of that 5 year stretch. I intend on doing a detailed post once I'm complete (Currently up to Survivor Series 2004). I'm also watching the ROH shows from 2002-2004 mixed in. After this I'll be watching all the WWE/WCW/ECW/TNA TV and as many CHIKARA/PWG/other Indy's I can find to be as complete as possible. Counting all Non-Japan, Non-Mexico based PPV's It is/was about 205+ within this period. That's not even counting the 55 or so ROH shows. Needless to say, I think it will be awhile before I delve into 2005-2009 although the PPV # will be trimmed by more than half with TNA going to monthly's. Left on the schedule... WWE Survivor Series 2004 ROH All-Star Extravaganza TNA Turing Point 2004 WWE Armageddon 2004 ROH Final Battle 2004 ... Much needed break 2004 TV and Indy's.

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Posted 07 November 2011 - 11:35 AM

I have watched quite a bit of UWF (1st one) last month, and I'm back at watching WCW 1990.

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Posted 07 November 2011 - 05:00 PM

Everyone needs to watch William Regal v. Dean Ambrose from yesterday's FCW tv. It's on youtube and is a really great match.

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Posted 07 November 2011 - 07:15 PM

Was there something that led up to that? I know Regal had been doing commentary down thear for a while so i'm guessing he didn't just randomly get back in the ring out of the blue.

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Posted 07 November 2011 - 07:46 PM

Ambrose attacked Regal 2 weeks ago on TV and the next week they had the match. Dylan is correct that it's really great. Best part of it was before where they spent about 5 minutes getting into a backstage brawl before the match. I want to see Regal vs Miz.

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Posted 07 November 2011 - 08:01 PM

Watching the 1995 Yearbook, and about halfway through the first disc. From the 1/4 Tokyo Dome show, Samurai/Otani was strong, Steiners vs Muto/Hase was very good, Hashimoto/Sasaki was excellent, and from the same date in a different location, Toyota/Hasegawa vs Double Inoues is one of the greatest matches I have ever seen.

My thoughts on each match:

El Samurai vs Shinjiro Otani

Rick & Scott Steiner vs Hiroshi Hase & Keiji Muto

Shinya Hashimoto vs Kensuke Sasaki

Manami Toyota & Sakie Hasegawa vs Kyoko Inoue & Takako Inoue

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Posted 08 November 2011 - 02:01 PM

[quote name='Tim Cooke' post='5487705' date='Nov 7 2011, 10:45 AM']If this doesn't need it's own thread, feel free to merge but I watched some really cool stuff this weekend and wanted to write about it somewhere.

Lawler vs. Snowman worked-shoot Mid South Colosseum match from June 1990

Phil's review:

Jerry Lawler v. The Snowman USWA 6/11/90-GREAT

Totally bizarre spectacle. This is set up by a shoot angle with Snowman coming out of the audience at the TV studio and interrupting a Lawler interview. He accuses Lawler of ducking him because he is Black and they have a really frenetic pull apart. That leads to this match and it was one of the most realistic "guys aren't cooperating" matches I have ever seen. Lots of wild swinging awkward punches and cool Lawler takedowns, there are parts where both guys are going for the eyes which is kind of what you would expect in a racial tinged street fight. Crowd is totally electric, you get the sense they really got the crowd to buy into the whole angle. Reminded me of a Southern Fried version of Onita v. Aoyagi. Match is pretty short (about five minutes, although the footage maybe clipped) and that keeps this from the Epic pile, but it is definitely worth seeing, and something unique for Lawler.

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Fucking amazing find by Loss. I think everyone is pretty familiar with the Snowman/Lawler angle, but to find this match and have it be great is what makes the current age of DVD trading so awesome. Loss told me this was a PWFG style match in Memphis. That description is just about perfect, as it feels very organic, your typical Fujiwara versus Olympic Russian wrestler 7 minute match. I was compiling my personal ***** matches list this weekend and the fundamental flaw with star ratings is how do you rate something this awesome, but compare it to regular 15 minute matches or epic 30+ minute matches?

On my short list, this has to be one of the greatest sub 10 minute matches. Right there with MX/Fantastics (Clash I - though that might be 10:30, close enough); Windham/Luger vs. Tully/Arn (Clash I), Jindrak vs. Basham [\quote]

Is this online?

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Posted 08 November 2011 - 05:29 PM

Jindrak vs. Basham

I'm interested in seeing this.

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Posted 08 November 2011 - 11:31 PM

Posted this in the 91 rec thread but fig i'll put it here too

11/2/1991 - Owen Hart vs Danny Boy Bollins - Europe, CWA i'm guessing?

Absolute hidden gem. It's a rounds match and the first 2 are made up of some of the best chain wrestling i've seen in a while and the rest of the bout is a masterpiece of back & forth counter wrestling. Really feels like something that should be put up thear with the Bret, Bulldog, Liger, etc... stuff as something that gets talked about as one of the very best Owen Hart matches ever. Danny's a guy I REALLY should start paying more attention to too. He randomly keeps poping up in footage I watch, be it WoS or random other Euro feds or Michinoku Pro and no matter what setting or year I see him in he's never anything but awesome but i've never taken a deeper look at his body of work.



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Posted 09 November 2011 - 09:40 AM

He was certainly one of the better workers to come along in the tail end of the WoS era; they had another match in '87/'88, right at the end of the TV run, that was always one of the more highly-touted matches long before the post-TWC archiving revival.

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Posted 09 November 2011 - 11:16 AM

WAR 10/21/1992 Owen Hart vs Ultimo Dragon This on the other hand, not one of Owen's better bouts. He was back in the WWF at this point and rocking his High Energy pajama pants & suspenders gear here. Ultimo appeared really motivated and looked like he was up for having a great match but Owen was in full on cruise controll mode. You could almost tell from the opening moment too when the very first thing he does is start with a kick to the gut, punch and headbutt. Not the kind of stuff one hopes to see from the guy. Still, Owen Hart's C game is still pretty darn good and better then a lot of others A game so this didn't suck or anything close, it's just not a classic or anything close to the exspectations you'd have when reading on paper and thinking "Hey, it's Owen Hart vs Ultimo Dragon awesome".

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Posted 09 November 2011 - 11:59 AM

Yep. Compare that with Owen in New Japan two years before. It's kinda sad to see how WWF style fucks up good workers.

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Posted 09 November 2011 - 01:36 PM

I don't think it was the style (though that's part of it) so much as the constant touring working with the same people every night to, audiences who don't require as much: no matter how motivated you might be at the start, you're going to end up in routine zone, and that's hard to break. And by the time you get to 1994, with the match with the Steiners, Owen, Rick and Scott getting a chance to do their cool shit gets in the way.

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Posted 09 November 2011 - 09:51 PM

Danny Boy Collins was awful.

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Posted 10 November 2011 - 01:04 AM

http://www.youtube.c...feature=related

Too Cold Scorpio v. Gangrel

I also watched a really fun Togo v. Regal match from Shotgun Saturday Night that was arguably better than this, but man this was a fucking insane spotfest. Gangrel and Scorp both take lunatic bumps off of multiple crazy impactful/dangerous looking suplex variations. Scorp crushes Gangrel with a spin kick and a huge moonsault. Finish is the Impaler off Christian interference. Just a balls to the wall match. Lots of fun

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Posted 10 November 2011 - 01:37 AM

I watched a couple bouts off Schneider comp 25. 1.Bobby Eaton vs. Dean Malenko (Pro 4/27/97) This is pretty great. Malenko was showing a lot of athleticism here working the mat and pushing the action. Eaton here is pretty broken down at this point, but he still has a good mind for the business and throws an amazing punch. He kind of reminds me of Bobby Fulton 92 at this point. Still they work it on the mat until it's time for an Eaton comeback. Then Eaton nails him with a beautiful looking punch. We get some more neat stuff, and to top it off we get a fun finishing sequence with some near falls. Just a real fun match. 2. Greg Valentine vs. Wahoo McDaniel This is such a slugfest. Both me just lay into one another. Wahoo is bleeding. Then the finish of Valentine breaking Wahoo's leg is tremendous. Man what a boss of a match.

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Posted 10 November 2011 - 08:26 AM



After watching a couple of Coliseum Video matches between Shawn Michaels and Razor Ramon, I'm left thinking that Michaels had better chemistry with the 1-2-3 Kid than he did with Razor. Michaels and the Kid never had more than ten minutes to wrestle, so they don't have any singles matches as famous as Michaels' three main ones with Razor, but they make for a good matchup.

This one is a non-title match from Superstars in April 1996. It's not as good as either of the RAW matches between these two, but it's still good. There's nothing really noteworthy about it until Michaels makes his comeback, at which point they try to get over that Michaels has a mean streak. It starts with a scary piledriver that affords the Kid absolutely no protection. Then Michaels press slams the Kid to the floor. Out there, the Kid takes a flipping bump that looks nasty. Michaels puts him out of his misery with maybe his best superkick of the year.

I have no idea what the story was with the dangerous-looking piledriver. I don't know if that was Michaels being reckless or the Kid volunteering for something reckless, but either way it looked like it hurt.

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Posted 10 November 2011 - 03:10 PM

Jake Roberts vs Hashimoto -- 9/23/1993


Watched this short match last night before bed. Their styles really don't mesh well, and so there's a lot of downtime. Jake's a master at heeling it up, though, and he tries really hard here to pump the crowd using his usual stooging and stalling and cheating and working with the snake. It's entertaining at points, but it just doesn't come together. The one aspect I liked is that Hash's frustration with Jake for not working a regular and honorable match seems all too real.

Misawa vs Kobashi - NOAH, 3/01/2003


I have never been the biggest Kobashi fan. I appreciate what he does and how much the crowds get behind him. But his whole chop-fu schtick, especially since NOAH, becomes uninteresting for me pretty quickly. Still, this is a big-time match, and I figured I should get around to seeing it eventually.

Both guys move pretty well in the early moments, especially considering 10 years in AJPW is like 25 in the WWE in terms of wear and tear. We soon move into joint-locks and chain rasslin, that picks up the pace again -- leading to Kobashi's being viciously head-dropped. We're only about 2 minutes into this thing, and they're already diving to the floor. Misawa is dominating early-on, and I'm getting excited. Kobashi tries to start up his chopping, but MM knocks him on his ass with a strategic elbow. About the time Misawa flies head-first into the metal guardrail and starts bleeding from the mouth, I know this is not two old boys sleepwalking through a nostalgia match.

There's an awesome sequence about half way through where Kobashi gets German'd and then Tiger'd. He counters with a nasty spinning backhand chop, but MM finally puts him down with a big forearm. The crowd goes nuts!

I don't want to write out the whole match, since it's 35 min. But I will say the intensity stays dialed up to 11, and these guys are fearless veterans giving it their all. They do a few seriously fucked up moves, though, including a double-underhook to the floor, which even quiets the crowd a bit before waking them back up with a lovely near-double-countout.The final moments actually felt a bit rushed. No, rushed isn't the right word. It was more like Kobashi's comeback seemed a bit easy. But maybe the story being told was that they spilled all they had, so someone was going to finally hit a big move and win.

Great, great stuff. I am a bit uncomfortable watching Misawa get repeatedly head-dropped, though. Posted Image




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