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#161 Childs

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Posted 12 September 2013 - 11:10 AM

Your first mistake is in assuming that Don Muraco is a decent wrestler. I have yet to see a good Muraco singles match and he may end up absent on the new WWF redo set. As for the Rude match, who knows?


Some people seem to like the matches with Steamboat, but I haven't seen them in a while. Are they just all Steamboat? Not that that would be surprising.


I hated those matches. Worst Steamboat feud ever.

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Posted 12 September 2013 - 11:12 AM

I rather liked Steamboat vs Rude from the 88 Rumble, but you could tell Rude wasn't quite there yet. It was still a pretty good performance though.

#163 JerryvonKramer

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Posted 12 September 2013 - 11:22 AM

DiBiase goes from being programmed with Savage to being programmed with Hercules take about falling off a cliff.


In fairness, I do think he needed a little feud to rebuild him after losing out to Savage so many times in the summer. The problem is that Ted is left with nothing to do for most of 1989. It's why he really really should have gone over in the Royal Rumble where he bought the 30 slot as it would have kept him strong.

I think they do a good job of building him back up in late 89 and 90 with the Jake and Dusty feuds, but late 88 to early 89 is basically a "lost year" in terms of his push, the Rumble win would have made a difference.

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I like your analysis of Tito working every match as if he was in a feud. Never thought about that, but it's true.

#164 jdw

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Posted 12 September 2013 - 03:45 PM

Your first mistake is in assuming that Don Muraco is a decent wrestler. I have yet to see a good Muraco singles match and he may end up absent on the new WWF redo set. As for the Rude match, who knows?


Some people seem to like the matches with Steamboat, but I haven't seen them in a while. Are they just all Steamboat? Not that that would be surprising.


Shoe and I agree on a lot of 80's WWF, but we disagree on the Steamer-Muraco feud. Don showed up for flashes here and there in the feud, but they never were really enough to have even a single good match. He spent too much time being a lazy bastard in them.

Don-Tito was horrid as well, and it's on Don. You could tell because the instant they put Tito with someone good (Valentine) or someone willing to work (Orndorff), Tito started having watchable-to-good-to-very-good matches.

As far as Don in good matches, I like four of his matches with Backlund. I only wrote up one of the Muarco-Snuka's, and thought it was perfectly okay in whole (including the so-bad-they're-great interviews with Kal), though their chinlock stuff wasn't. There were two more Muraco-Snuka matches that got praise way back at the time, at least one of which a group of us watch years back and thought was pretty good for a feud match. Other than that... yeah... there's a lot of bad Don matches specifically because Don was bad in them. He might be #1 on the list of "Most Talented Bad Workers" because there really wasn't anything that Don couldn't do: he could bump, stooge, sell, get heat, had a good offense, could work holds both on top and the bottom, and could work good runs to the finish... off of them when he Felt Like It. Which for the most part wasn't the case. So most every Don match you'll see some stuff that is good, and a flash of someone who should be great. Then he'd lay around. :)

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Posted 20 September 2013 - 10:18 PM

Tito Santana vs "The Widowmaker" Barry Windham - Primetime Wrestling 10/89 This felt like a 80s WWF version of a mid-00s WWE match as they were just throwing out offense against each other in order to make themselves look good. It is a bit above that because Windham sells and bumps well for Tito early on and Tito does settle into a heat segment. The first portion is a bit too spotty as they are really not letting their spots breathe. I don't mind it being nip and tuck per se, but there was less of a sense of struggle and more just using parity to display both wrestler's moves. Barry would at times let Tito stuff take effect, but he would go for the shinbreaker so quickly or an eye-rake. They were just packing way too much in there. On the flip side, Tito was not letting him build momentum, but as the babyface he should be coming. Tito does have a great punch. Windham needed to pick something to cut him off that was the jawbreaker into the ab stretch. Barry's heat segment was pretty tedious and instead of a constant build in heat it lets off a lot of heat. He takes the Flair throw off the top rope, but it is just a hope spot as he is able to hotshot Tito and grab a powerslam. Barry taunts and showboats more than I remember, just a WWF thing I suppose? Tito punches the left leg to cut off Windham and applies the figure-4 and the heat to the match is restored instantaneously. Barry gets a rope break and goes back to underhanded tactics like the eye-rake and fish hook. He can not sustain as Tito blocks Barry's suplex attempt and hits one of his own. They collide heads, I have no idea why, but it was a "cool" 80s spot. Tito whips Barry over the top turnbuckles and slams him into the post. He delivers the Flying Burrito, but the bells rings signaling a draw. Tito has wicked tunnel vision and is still putting the boots to Barry and another FLying Burrito sends him packing. They definitely packed way too much in this match and still managed to have a dead segment in terms of Barry's heat. Windham was strange in the WWF ring, he felt like he needed to show boat more and play a character I guess. Tito was the most exciting part of the match, but still there was no real story. They were both just tossing moves and spots like candy to show off. It is worth to see the one notable match of Windham's 89 run, but nothing that gets above decent.

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Posted 21 September 2013 - 04:53 AM

Your first mistake is in assuming that Don Muraco is a decent wrestler. I have yet to see a good Muraco singles match and he may end up absent on the new WWF redo set. As for the Rude match, who knows?


The Backlund matches.

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Posted 27 October 2017 - 09:57 PM

Watching a bunch of the Tito-Valentine matches recently, and I love how Tito mounts a guy and throws punches. If it was a movie, Tito looks like the guy who'd come up for air and realize he'd killed a guy. Just fantastic fire and energy.






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