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I loved watching Ginger Lynn suck cock, get banged and take it up the ass in the 80s.

 

I'm not entirely sure I want to watch a video of Ginger Lynn suck cock, get banged and take it up the ass when she's 60s years old.

 

Point: I'm not pulling for Ric Flair to drop dead, nor Ginger Lynn. But I don't really care to see them perform so far past their prime that it's painful.

 

I avoided using a sports analogy here since wrestling is entertainment and not sport. But if one wanted to make a sports analogy, as much as I loved Jabar as a basketbally player, I don't really want to see him matching up with Dwight Howard when Kareem is 60+. :)

 

 

John

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There was a great thread on the old DVDVR Boards years ago about Wrestling & Porn. Someone might have a better recollection of it than me, but I seem to recall the primary person on the other side was mdb... whatever happened to him? Probably the best "polite wrestling troll" of the era.

 

Anyway, one of the key people on the other side was really, really, really uncomfortable about their beloved pro wrestling being compared to Porn. I don't think it was mdb since I don't recall him being that much of a lightweight.

 

I probably poured it on, but at least a few of the other regulars were having fun riffing on the similarities between the fake-sport of pro wrestling and the fake-sex of porn.

 

Wish I saved that one.

 

Anyway, I find it hard to imagine that anything I said in the above comments about Ginger are any different that what anyone else on this board who has ever watch (and enjoyed) porn over the years would say. Unless they have a "granny fetish" (rather than say a MILF kick or a 40-49 kick), not a lot of porn viewers really care to see their favorite performers still "working" when they're in their 60s.

 

Granted, Skinemax icon Monique Parent is about half a year older than I am, turning 44 later this year. She still works regularly in the soft core side of the business and never has crossed over into the hard core side. She looks really good in a non-barbie doll, non-stripper way and is in fantastic shape. If you asked me back in the 80s if I would find a 44 year old like Monique Parent in the adult film world to be hot, I'd almost certainly would have said no. Now that I'm in that age range, my opinion has changed.

 

So it's possible that come 2026 that I'll suddenly appreciate all of Flair's work from say 1994 until his retirement match.

 

;)

 

John

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If there's a better analogy for us old dudes to compare then-Flair to now-Flair (and our feelings about Ric then, compared to now), than 1980's porn and 1990's Cinemax, I'd like to read it. I dunno, I've had far worse mental images than Ginger Lynn, er, plying her trade. I'm not feeling the outrage.

 

Maybe I'm the only one with a frame of reference (a satellite dish, a gimmicked satellite box and American XXXtasy before the Alabama Attorney General got it thrown off of satellite) to get the analogy instead of seeing words like "sucking cock" and "taking it up the ass" and getting hung up on the terms instead of the analogy itself.

 

And if it's a problem with Flair being a whore, that's not the analogy, but a different issue.

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Too much information is too much information similarities between porn and wrestling not withstanding.

I'm kind of stupified that we are such prudes that we can't talk about the sex in Porn, but we don't think twice about talking in detail about wrestlers slicing their foreheads, or the details of Misawa's neck getting snapped in taking a wrestling move, or the details of Benoit's muerder rampage, or the homoerotic aspects of a video piece that hurt Jeff Jarrett's babyface heat in Memphis.

 

This is a bit like the fetish Mike Oles would have whenever someone used the term "shit" or "crap".

 

John

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Wait, where is that 60 year old Ginger Lynn money shot picture so we can get the right comparison idea?

Ginger is 47 later this year, so she has another 13 years to go. It's not hard to find shots of her since she's active in the business again. Try hotmovies.com or one of the other big VOD sites.

 

Can't say I'd recommend her stuff in the past couple of years. White Lightning back in 2000 was pretty decent, unless one really freaks at the notion of someone in their late 30's/early 40's banging.

 

John

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The HHH/Flair cage match is actually really rather good... easilly his best "old man" match although that doesn't say much, but it's probably the 2nd WWE MOTY for 2005 after Rey/Eddie. Being down to a great performance from Hunter though (possibly career), not one I'd expect to get much love. Old man Flair kissing Maria, now that's fucking creepy. Shit the way he suddenly aged ten years like *snap* is fucking creepy. Like some porn stars vagina suddenly collapsing on her after years of abuse leaving her having to duct tape her labia up for the rest of her life.

 

Too far?

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The HHH/Flair cage match is actually really rather good... easilly his best "old man" match although that doesn't say much, but it's probably the 2nd WWE MOTY for 2005 after Rey/Eddie. Being down to a great performance from Hunter though (possibly career), not one I'd expect to get much love.

We laughed at the thing from damn near start to finish. Just felt sad and pathetic watching him in it, similar to how we felt watching him against Taker, Foley, Edge and Shawn. Of course I've felt like that since watching him in there against Vader at Starcade when he came across as really, really, really old.

 

 

Old man Flair kissing Maria, now that's fucking creepy. Shit the way he suddenly aged ten years like *snap* is fucking creepy. Like some porn stars vagina suddenly collapsing on her after years of abuse leaving her having to duct tape her labia up for the rest of her life.

 

Too far?

Not really. No different from Stu Unger's nose rotting away from all the coke he snorted up over the years, until he finally dropped dead after his last great moment (and arguably the high point of his career).

 

John

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I'm not a prude, but I do often check the board from work, and all of the talk about pornography could set off word filters from our web blocking software that leads to PWO being blocked at work, so if you could tone things down just a little, it'd be appreciated.

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Too much information is too much information similarities between porn and wrestling not withstanding.

I'm kind of stupified that we are such prudes that we can't talk about the sex in Porn, but we don't think twice about talking in detail about wrestlers slicing their foreheads, or the details of Misawa's neck getting snapped in taking a wrestling move, or the details of Benoit's muerder rampage, or the homoerotic aspects of a video piece that hurt Jeff Jarrett's babyface heat in Memphis.

 

This is a bit like the fetish Mike Oles would have whenever someone used the term "shit" or "crap".

 

John

 

Honestly if you can't figure out why people might not want to read about your sexual fetishes and 80's pornographic icons you regularly beat off to twenty years ago I have no clue what to say in response.

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The HHH/Flair cage match is actually really rather good... easilly his best "old man" match although that doesn't say much, but it's probably the 2nd WWE MOTY for 2005 after Rey/Eddie. Being down to a great performance from Hunter though (possibly career), not one I'd expect to get much love. Old man Flair kissing Maria, now that's fucking creepy. Shit the way he suddenly aged ten years like *snap* is fucking creepy.

I like that HHH/Flair match myself, but it's not the best WWE Cage match from that year, nor is it the best Flair v. HHH match from that year.

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Too much information is too much information similarities between porn and wrestling not withstanding.

I'm kind of stupified that we are such prudes that we can't talk about the sex in Porn, but we don't think twice about talking in detail about wrestlers slicing their foreheads, or the details of Misawa's neck getting snapped in taking a wrestling move, or the details of Benoit's muerder rampage, or the homoerotic aspects of a video piece that hurt Jeff Jarrett's babyface heat in Memphis.

 

This is a bit like the fetish Mike Oles would have whenever someone used the term "shit" or "crap".

 

John

 

Honestly if you can't figure out why people might not want to read about your sexual fetishes and 80's pornographic icons you regularly beat off to twenty years ago I have no clue what to say in response.

 

Yeah...this is the blunt version of what I was trying to say.
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Not really. No different from Stu Unger's nose rotting away from all the coke he snorted up over the years, until he finally dropped dead after his last great moment (and arguably the high point of his career).

 

John

Snorting coke isn't actually part of the job of being a professional poker player, no matter what Stu was telling people to get them to loan him money. So in that sense the comparison doesn't quite work.

 

Actually I would sooner compare Stu Unger to Kurt Angle. Lots of talent and a billion and one ways to flush it all down the toilet. And really it wouldn't shock me at all if Angle's death mirrored Stu's and if one day in the next 5 years Kurt is found dead in a hotel room because his heart said "fuck it, I quit" after one too many trips down the stimulant freeway. I hope that isn't the case, but if that happens to Kurt the word "shocking" had better not be applied to it by anybody that's been paying attention.

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To be clear the porn/wrestling and even porn star/wrestler comparison doesn't bother me. The "I used to love watching Ginger suck cock and get assfucked!" stuff however is something that I think is pretty bizarre. It just isn't needed to prove any point and it pretty clearly falls under the TMI category.

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