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#261 El-P

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Posted 23 June 2017 - 07:25 AM

Come on, Corny doesn't need to "get himself over" in 2017. Nor even to get paychecks (from WWE mind you, which still seems unbelievable !).

 

Bt yeah, whatever that idiot Russo says, there should be an "Ignore" function.



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Posted 23 June 2017 - 07:52 AM

Corny's career in the age of shoot interviews and podcasts is one part legend telling stories, one part critique of the current products, and three parts Russo hate.

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Posted 23 June 2017 - 08:25 AM

I'm just glad they are not reaching out to Russo for creative salvation. Dude almost ruined the Greatest Rivalries DVD when he presented Austin v. McMahon. 



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Posted 23 June 2017 - 12:15 PM

I'm just glad they are not reaching out to Russo for creative salvation. Dude almost ruined the Greatest Rivalries DVD when he presented Austin v. McMahon.


I'd say the fact that for the HOF weekend both bischoff and cornette were welcomed back into the fold and put back on live WWE tv and Vince Russo wasn't must have sickened him. Haha

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Posted 23 June 2017 - 02:31 PM

Both guys are terribly overexposed at this point. I wish Cornette would just talk about history and psychology, since he has so much knowledge and interesting insight, but he's made the calculation I think that what makes him a draw in the podcast world is being provocative. The sad thing is that it's probably true.



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Posted 23 June 2017 - 04:44 PM

Just listened to the Prichard podcast, him reacting to the insane claim of Russo being responsible for everything (while at the same time pretending not wanting to take any credit) was quite funny.

 

The extracts from the book are downright insane at times and they paint one hell of a mental image of this guy. Pathological liar, contradicting his own versions, complete drama queen with a victim complex while at the same time being totally offensive to people (gotta love the idea that he had AJ Styles throw a "fuck" at him) and then some. The killer being the stuff about the Warrior, whom Russo describes as the "most intelligent guy he ever met". As dumb as he is toxic.

 

Well, maybe Corny's not that far gone after all (just kidding, but I can understand wanting to slap the fuck out of the guy, still). Russo being a pervert narcissic of sorts wouldn't surprise me though...

 

A rather fascinating listen.



#267 Bix

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Posted 27 June 2017 - 11:59 PM

In this case, I agree with Russo: how anyone can hate somebody to this extent over wrestling is beyond me.

But that's part of the bullshit Russo narrative. Cornette hating Russo has plenty to do with Russo politicking him out of his WWE booking job and later doing the same to get him fired as a TNA road agent. He also hates Russo for the damage that he feels Russo inflicted on the business, but it's not the whole thing. I do think it's possible at this point that Russo has deluded himself into thinking Cornette only hates him because of what he booked, but he's also a compulsive liar so who really knows?

Either way, the whole "Bro, why would you wanna kill somebody over FAKE WREST-A-LING?!?!" shtick is a fabrication.

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Posted 28 June 2017 - 06:04 AM

Dave Meltzer added his two cents on the Russo restraining order against Cornette, and confirms exactly what Bix said.  Meltzer talks about how Cornette has every reason to hate Russo for screwing him out of his job in TNA using dishonest and scuzzy tactics. It's nothing Cornette didn't say himself, but Meltzer adds an interesting (and calmer, more rational) take on the issue.



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Posted 28 June 2017 - 08:02 AM

 

In this case, I agree with Russo: how anyone can hate somebody to this extent over wrestling is beyond me.

But that's part of the bullshit Russo narrative. Cornette hating Russo has plenty to do with Russo politicking him out of his WWE booking job and later doing the same to get him fired as a TNA road agent. He also hates Russo for the damage that he feels Russo inflicted on the business, but it's not the whole thing. I do think it's possible at this point that Russo has deluded himself into thinking Cornette only hates him because of what he booked, but he's also a compulsive liar so who really knows?

Either way, the whole "Bro, why would you wanna kill somebody over FAKE WREST-A-LING?!?!" shtick is a fabrication.

 

 

Fair enough. Depriving someone of their livelihood and a job in a profession they love to death while doing almost irreparable damage to that profession is much more justifiable. 

 

I was going through 1999 WWF a few days back, Russo's last few months with the company, and dear Lord it is terrible. Absolutely awful. Forget about the well-documented horrible mid-card stuff, even the main event scene is terrible. That entire Austin-HHH-McMahon angle is so utterly boring, the only reason Austin survived that was because he was teflon by that time. Even then, I felt that Russo had started to actually damage Austin's character and his overness due to consistent terrible segments and booking, a feat almost admirable because of how impossible it seemed. Really, Austin survived a lot of awful shit booking like the Satanic Undertaker angle, being embalmed and crucified and whatever, and it might have led to a drastic decline in WWE's business shortly after becuse, as I said, the constant horrible booking had started to damage the company's top draw.

 

WWE dodged an arguably fatal bullet when Russo departed. Chris Kreski might very well be the most underrated booker of all-time. His seamless, inter-connected, logically consistent angles in 2000 up and down the card led to arguably the greatest year in company history. 



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Posted 10 September 2017 - 11:08 AM

I revisited the Reboot era of WCW 2000/2001. I liked Steiner, O'Haire, Shakira, Midajah, Pamela Paulshock. 

 

Russoism almost killed me with the television put on in May. I felt exhausted by the time Steiner became the WHC. I hated the Magnificent group and Steiner becoming a minion. Has anyone ever made women so undesirable like Russo? Kimberly reminded me of Karen Angle (2007). It made me feel fifteen again. Those awful Impact! shows. I am dreading going back through the Attitude Era.



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Posted 20 September 2017 - 10:41 PM

That greasy rat Vin Russo was bad in terms of national hot-shotting. Just a glimpse of Miss Elizabeth on TV or WWF Magazine in the late 80s would exite me for weeks. Russo in the late 90s just gave in to every male weakness from ultra violence to porn to grotesque story lines. It's not about you Russo! This is a business! Just look at how orgasmic he was when he snatched the big gold belt. Can u imagine Roger Goodell dancing around drunk with Super Bowl Lombardi trophy? Even thieves like Boxings Don King had limits to his ego.

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Posted 20 September 2017 - 10:46 PM

... (continued) I've heard Russo over the past few years and he isn't an evil person. But he doesn't belong behind the booking desk. Russo is too much of a "mark" and plays too many games.

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Posted 21 September 2017 - 01:06 AM

No booker has done more damage to wrestling - both financially and aesthetically - than Vince Russo. To me, it's a no-brainer. He literally has zero redeeming qualities.

 

Ive felt the same thing especially what he did in WCW. I absolutely hated the way everyone got stripped of the titles in 2000. Im sure some people wasen't bothered but I was looking forward to Hogan/Sid on PPV with Hogan getting the title back but since Russo was around he pretty much didn't want any of the older guys in there.

 

Having Hogan job to Kidman was the worst thing they did, im just glad Savage had left in 99 so they couldn't do the same thing to him and WTF was up with all those title changes like Flair regaining the title just because Nash hands it to him.



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Posted 21 September 2017 - 11:50 AM

I was the typical "Hogan should put over new talent" smark at the time and thought it was a good move. But it wasn't. Yes, Hogan needed put over younger guys. But he should have been putting over Goldberg and Scott Steiner after proper builds, not Kidman and Vampiro in throwaway TV matches. There's something to the idea that even when they're older, people just don't want to see the icons portrayed as broken down losers. Older and maybe not capable of beating the top stars? Sure. But there's a certain status they should always maintain. I don't think Hogan and Flair should have been the top guys in WCW at that point, but an occasional main event and 3-4 matches per year with a near top-level opponent, winning some and losing some, would have been ideal. New Japan I thought always got their veteran booking just right, and that's what I see as the standard.



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Posted 21 September 2017 - 08:17 PM

And I think we realize now that there's a real Law of Diminishing Returns to jobbing a legend. He can only give 1-2 guys a rub before it completely loses value.

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Posted 22 September 2017 - 12:58 AM

WWE booked Hogan to near-perfection in 2002 I thought. Of course that's one stretch of time when he did not have any "creative control" clause in his contract.




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