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#1 pantherwagner

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Posted 18 August 2012 - 02:13 PM

Hey! Doing some research on something that has got nothing to do with wrestling I came across the webpage for INA (French National Institute of Media). If you go to their webpage http://www.ina.fr and search for "catch" or "catcheur" you can find a few clips, nothing much and no entire matches, but really interesting so I thought I'd share it here with an audience that will appreciate it.

Most of you probably have no idea about this, but France is one of the few remaining "treasure trove" collections left anywhere in the world that we have nothing about other than a couple of clips. The French being French, meaning very well organized and protective of their history, keep films of everything ever shown on their national TV stations.

I can guarantee that the reels are in perfect storage conditions somewhere in a Sports Institute vault in France (perhaps there is more than one copy, I don't know). I know the catch was restored, cleaned up, timed and catalogued a few years ago. I could be wrong but I believe that France is the only country (other than the UK) that taped wrestling and showed it on TV for decades.

I know people who have been chasing this footage for a decade but dealing with the French administration you have to go through a lot of loopholes and once you have charmed a person then it's replaced and you have to start over again. It's not a matter of money either (the people chasing this collection are, without going into specifics, very well off). So we may never really see the full collection of footage anywhere.

According to the Spanish wrestling historians I know, the finest technical wrestlers in Europe were the French, second the Spanish, and third the British. This may be a matter of opinion and indeed the footage doesn't show the style to be like World of Sport, but nevertheless it's an interesting piece of history.

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Posted 18 August 2012 - 02:15 PM

French wrestling looks to be WACKY. There's some sort of mud MEN'S battle royale, and a match where the ring is in the middle of a pool or something and people come into the ring using little boats (eat that Onita).

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Posted 18 August 2012 - 02:18 PM

I reviewed this match from the 60s which showed up

http://segundacaida....utte-libre.html

It isn't on youtube anymore, but a copy of it is on Schneider Comp 25

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Posted 18 August 2012 - 02:20 PM

That match is brilliant and one of the best matches I've ever seen. Finding a ton of French wrestling from that period would be a miracle

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Posted 18 August 2012 - 02:23 PM

That is awesome. I have been out of the loop for years so I had no idea. I was shocked that in the era of youtube NOTHING had ever showed up. There's even been a lot of Olympic Auditorium from the 80s in LA and mystery Guadalajara or whatever lucha showing up. The problem of youtube is that if you like something you better download it using jdownloader because it may disappear someday. If somebody's got a copy online I'd be interested in seeing it.

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Posted 18 August 2012 - 02:25 PM

Looks like someone grabbed it and put it up as a hidden youtube file with classical music overdubbed.

http://www.youtube.c...player_embedded

http://www.youtube.c...player_embedded

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Posted 18 August 2012 - 02:27 PM

Didn't know you guys captured that match! Yeah it was the most actively interesting find both in terms of both historical value and a visual demonstration of a largely unseen style in recent memory.

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Posted 18 August 2012 - 02:31 PM

Something perhaps slightly out of topic but it's odd how A LOT of the weird youtube stuff is showing up on the collections of Bear/Gay wrestling fans that watch it to talk about the bodies of the wrestlers and rank matches based on bearhugs and head scissors applied. I mean, you can find a neat Negro Navarro vs Mando Guerrero brawl in a collection next to Billy vs Johnny wrestling in flashy pink thongs in a mat in someones garage, and a Nick Bockwinkel match vs a jobber where he's described as a hairy macho mature hunk (and I'm not taking about Khawk's uploads here). God bless the wrestling fetish community, I mean, how can't you be tolerant when they are bringing THE GOODS. When is the last time that you saw an ultra conservative Christian upload unknown 80s lucha? Phil - you are a star! Thanks.

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Posted 18 August 2012 - 02:38 PM

I feel like this is quickly heading in the direction of Danny The Jobber talk. Having said that I never got to see any of that LA stuff because I'm an idiot and forgot to save it. If anyone has a link post it or PM me with it.

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Posted 18 August 2012 - 02:40 PM

Danny the Jobber? Should I ask? I'm also an idiot and I didn't save the L.A. wrestling that jellybeans had. Bix? There was a Perro Aguayo vs Mil Mascaras match from 1980 or so that I never got to watch, I am always interested in seeing early years Perro.

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Posted 18 August 2012 - 02:48 PM

Danny The Jobber in action



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Posted 18 August 2012 - 03:10 PM

Jellybeans178's account was closed? FUCK. He should've stuck to uploading non-WWE stuff. I didn't grab any...someone must have, right? RIGHT?

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Posted 18 August 2012 - 03:13 PM

I tapped out after 5 seconds. Can't be worse than some Lucky Pierre matches that I have watched though? Anyway, let's move on.

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Posted 18 August 2012 - 03:15 PM

Jellybeans178's account was closed? FUCK. He should've stuck to uploading non-WWE stuff.

I didn't grab any...someone must have, right? RIGHT?


If you link to his videos it says that he closed it (unlike the French match which said that youtube closed it after requests by NJPW). I didn't save anything.

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Posted 18 August 2012 - 03:27 PM

I seriously want to know about L'Ange Blanc's credentials for the Observer HOF (insofar as I want L'Ange Blanc info as opposed to pimping him for the HOF outright). From what little I understand he had near-Big Daddy levels of fame in France at his peak but was also an elite worker. To the extent that you can judge a guy's workrate by still photos, which AFAIK is all we have, he's clearly miles ahead of Daddy, with lots of tricked out European submissions.

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Posted 18 August 2012 - 04:26 PM

Jellybeans178's account was closed? FUCK. He should've stuck to uploading non-WWE stuff.

I didn't grab any...someone must have, right? RIGHT?


If you link to his videos it says that he closed it (unlike the French match which said that youtube closed it after requests by NJPW). I didn't save anything.

I've seen some weird bogus copyright claims on YouTube but that might be the most out there.

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Posted 18 August 2012 - 04:43 PM

i've been teaching myself french over the summer and spent a couple of days mucking through the french internet to try to find some good video, but nothing much came up. we need an eccentric millionaire wrestling fan willing to drop unrefusable money on these ventures.

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Posted 18 August 2012 - 04:50 PM

this dude has 2 extended clips
http://www.dailymoti...ch#video=xr156i

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Posted 18 August 2012 - 06:15 PM

There's also this guy that has got a lot of very short clips from newsreel footage:
http://www.youtube.com/user/sdkpatoche

Tim, it's not a question of money. One of the people who is chasing this footage is very well off. It's up to the INA to open up their library of footage, which isn't going to happen, or for them to allow it to be transferred to somebody else who may share it and risk getting in trouble.

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Posted 18 August 2012 - 07:28 PM

Looks like someone grabbed it and put it up as a hidden youtube file with classical music overdubbed.

http://www.youtube.c...player_embedded

http://www.youtube.c...player_embedded


That French match is the best ROH match I've seen all year.




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