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#21 rzombie1988

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Posted 18 August 2012 - 08:38 PM

Looks like someone grabbed it and put it up as a hidden youtube file with classical music overdubbed.

http://www.youtube.c...player_embedded

http://www.youtube.c...player_embedded


That French match is the best ROH match I've seen all year.

I didn't get to check out the whole thing but what I saw was awesome. Did anyone notice the wacky lock-ups? Never seen that before. If that's any inclination, I'm pretty sure I'd be all over french wrestling.

To be honest, I'm surprised that France had a rich wrestling history as I've never even heard a thing about it.

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Posted 18 August 2012 - 09:02 PM

I alluded to the EWF promotion in the 1990 hype thread which was on TV in Europe during that period. I'd love to find some footage of it. I believe it was French based.

Shit, what doesn't youtube have?

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Posted 19 August 2012 - 02:54 AM

I'd love to see French wrestling and one of the guys I've also been intrigued to find footage of is the grotesque Thauvin, the 'perfect bastard' who Barthes described in Mythologies. Not sure of what circumstances led to it, but interesting to note that in the early 90s the luchadors Herodes, Carlos Plata and Rambo wrestled in France. Rambo wrestled as Sgt. Mendieta, since there was already a French Rambo.

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Posted 19 August 2012 - 12:33 PM

Sup Herodes. Great name. The EWF hookup was Plata, who is a Spaniard and got the call from one of his Spanish wrestling colleagues, I believe Rocky Nelson (a Latin American who has lived in Spain forever and wrestled in the EWF as Angelito le Vigie, a vigilante/security guard gimmick carrying a dog to the ring - funny as he was a security guard in real life). ButchReedMark : Jeff Lynch has got all the EWF there is. We got several discs from him more than half a decade ago in an Europe bulk buy. Basically everything that sounded interesting and/or had internationally known good workers. I have them in Spain and no access to them as I live in the UK, but I am sure some of the guys on the board may be willing to sell or trade you some discs if you ask around.

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Posted 19 August 2012 - 09:56 PM

Speaking of Barthes' writing on wrestling, I found a link for it, both the specific chapter itself as well as a pdf of the full Mythologies book.

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Posted 20 August 2012 - 12:10 AM

Looks like someone grabbed it and put it up as a hidden youtube file with classical music overdubbed.

http://www.youtube.c...player_embedded

http://www.youtube.c...player_embedded


That French match is the best ROH match I've seen all year.

I didn't get to check out the whole thing but what I saw was awesome. Did anyone notice the wacky lock-ups? Never seen that before. If that's any inclination, I'm pretty sure I'd be all over french wrestling.

To be honest, I'm surprised that France had a rich wrestling history as I've never even heard a thing about it.


In France, pro-wrestling is called "Catch" and pro-wrestlers are called "Des catcheurs" in the Southern French vernacular. (I'm sure it's the same way everywhere in Metropolitan France.) From an etymological standpoint, that's interesting because it could mean that pro-wrestling vis-a-vis French history has much closer roots to the catch-as-catch-can style than to the more modern form of "sports entertainment". Consider in the United States when you tell someone you watch wrestling or even pro-wrestling. The usual response is "Like WWE?" though I often hear "Like UFC?" as well. This indicates that Vince McMahon practically changed the meaning of pro-wrestling and defined it in terms of his image.

Concerning pro-wrestling history in France, I suppose I could look into it years down the road if I ever make it there to do some historical work. But France has always had carnivals, and I'm sure pro-wrestling was there on some capacity.

William Regal made remarks that pro-wrestling was strangely comical in the late 80s when he toured there.

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Posted 20 August 2012 - 06:02 AM

I found this just now

http://www.myspace.c.../blog/463212097

Pro Wrestling & Catch Wrestling are FRENCH

Professional wrestling began in France around 1830. Wrestlers who had no access to the wrestling elite, formed troupes that travelled around France showing their talent. Wrestlers thus frequented wild animals’ exhibitors, tightrope walkers and bearded women. Showmen presented wrestlers under names such as “Edward, the steel eater”, “Gustave d’Avignon, the bone wrecker”, or “Bonnet, the ox of the low Alps” and challenged the public to knock them down for 500 francs. In 1848, French showman Jean Exbroyat created the first modern wrestlers’ circus troupe and established as a rule not to execute holds below the waist. He named this new style « flat hand wrestling ». Upon Mr. Exbroyat’s death in 1872, Mr. Rossignol-Rollin attorney from Lyon assumed the direction of this troupe and was soon noticed for his ability to advertise, to « arrange » matches and to reward wrestlers in the name of the audience.The French influence extended to the Austrian Hungarian Empire, to Italy, to Denmark and to Russia and the new style circulated under the name of Greco-Roman wrestling, classic wrestling or French wrestling. Professional wrestling matches were thus organized everywhere in Europe with variable programs and competition rules according to the taste of wrestlers, of managers and of the audience. In 1898, the Frenchman Paul Pons, also named “the Colossus”, was the first Professional World Champion just before the Polish Ladislaus Pytlasinski. Some other great champions succeeded him, like the Turkish Kara Ahmed (the eastern Monster), the Bulgarian Nikola Petrov (the lion of the Balkans) or the Russian Ivan Poddoubni (the Champion of Champions).At the end of the 19th century, professional wrestling was the most in vogue sport in Europe, but it started to degrade from 1900 because of the pre-arranged matches, the announcement of forgery, false victories and false nationalities of the competitors. The rediscovery of Olympic amateurism encouraged the creation of numerous clubs and schools that finished professional wrestling off. However, from a historical point of view, professional wrestling has its indisputable merits. Competitions contributed to making wrestling more popular, the physical aspect of wrestlers served as a model to young men and the training system allowed amateur wrestling clubs to rapidly become more structured. Extract taken from the International Olympic Wrestling Federation

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Posted 20 August 2012 - 11:10 AM

I also tracked down this video that will give you a comprehensive view of the nature of french wrestling culture.

French Wrestling Culture

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Posted 20 August 2012 - 02:20 PM

I also tracked down this video that will give you a comprehensive view of the nature of french wrestling culture.

French Wrestling Culture


Never, ever gets old

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Posted 29 December 2012 - 10:48 AM

The French called it lutte and lutteurs, catch/catcheurs is just the usual adjustment to the ~1930 boom in America that people like DeGlane, Irslington and Oakeley exported to Europe and South Africa. It would be really interesting to see as much footage as possible of those products. The French middleweights who had a bodybuilding background around 1950 were really successful. Interestingly Rene Lasartesse once wrote how the Hungarian booker Bela Barothy (IIRC it was in Berlin) welcomed one of those French middleweights only to instantly say to a right hand that he would let him go ASAP - he hadn't seen his wrestle, he based his decision on the way the wrestler handled himself, he was plain and didn't have the "it factor". Some things never change.

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Posted 29 December 2012 - 11:42 AM

I have no idea if there is footage around, but Robert Duranton was a pretty big wrestling star in the 60's. Here he is in the infamous shower scene from "Le Corniaud" (one of the most popular French comedy ever) with all-time great comedian Louis de Funes :

Robert Duranton in "Le Corniaud"'s shower scene with De Funes.

(As you would probably guess, he was a heel, and had a male valet with him named Firmin.)

#32 wwxwce

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Posted 29 December 2012 - 12:08 PM

Gilbert Cesca vs. Billy Catanzarro


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Vassilios Mantopoulos vs. Anton Tejero
 

FRANCIS LOUIS vs. BOB PLANTIN
 



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Posted 29 December 2012 - 03:24 PM

I also tracked down this video that will give you a comprehensive view of the nature of french wrestling culture.

French Wrestling Culture


Ditch's site has a Martel/Jumbo match where Martel comes out to Let's Hear It for the Boy. It sounds like it was dubbed over whatever his actual entrance music was, but it's still awesome.

Gilbert Cesca vs. Billy Catanzarro

http://www.mediafire...f3ane2kyyu72aew


The best part of this match is the commentator saying "ooh la la" at one point. I wasn't aware French people actually said that.

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Posted 15 January 2013 - 06:49 PM

Don't know if he is still there, but right at point I was leaving figurefourboard, there was a guy who posted as Celian Varini who claimed to have interviewed a bunch of the wrestlers and fans of French catch of the 50s/60s and seemed super knowledgeable.

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Posted 15 January 2013 - 07:36 PM

Don't know if he is still there, but right at point I was leaving figurefourboard, there was a guy who posted as Celian Varini who claimed to have interviewed a bunch of the wrestlers and fans of French catch of the 50s/60s and seemed super knowledgeable.


He's actually the French announcer for TNA. Has been for years now I believe. I haven't followed wrestling on French TV since 1997, but I have checked out on occasion to see how good the announcers were, and I must say I was quite impressed actually (the WWE announcers are also pretty good, much better than the american ones, maybe because they are old-school fans as showed by them using a few indiosyncrasies Eddie Carpentier used to say, and don't have Vince yelling in their hears either).

Celian Varini is that guy :
Celian Varini interviews Mickie James

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Posted 31 March 2013 - 04:48 PM

Someone on F4W posted a match of L'Ange Blanc:


There's some other stuff too with Roger Couderc:
http://www.ina.fr/vi...ssif-video.html
http://www.ina.fr/video/I11066427
http://www.ina.fr/no...oir/VDD10001702

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Posted 31 March 2013 - 05:54 PM

Someone on F4W posted a match of L'Ange Blanc:


Thanks ! This is great ! Never saw L'Ange Blanc before. My father told me once he and his highschool friends used to sneak in to watch his match at times. Great submission hold at the end.

There's some other stuff too with Roger Couderc:
http://www.ina.fr/vi...ssif-video.html
http://www.ina.fr/video/I11066427
http://www.ina.fr/no...oir/VDD10001702


Seriously, this is some amazing stuff. Roger Couderc punching a heckler just made my day ! And really, although I knew about his reputation as an all-time great sport announcer (he was mainly calling rugby matches) but I've never quite heard him before. Just take my word on this : he's *awesome*. He doesn't know the technical aspect of the game, but damn can he talk and sell the action, with some fun lines thrown in at the right moment. I can see why Eddie Carpentier respected him so much.

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Posted 04 April 2013 - 07:33 AM

France also has an independent wrestling magazine running today, which is very much an Apter mag type of deal.

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I picked one up when I took my family to France and it was mostly photo based with minimal text.

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Posted 04 April 2013 - 03:11 PM

I think there were 2-3 different publications of this kind in Germany 20 years ago and I think in the UK, too. So I guess that the concept is still somewhat valid in the mind of European publishers.

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Posted 04 April 2013 - 09:50 PM

Germany has a national wrestling mag similar looking to the French one above, with a lot of the show reviews taken straight from the WON.




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