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#1 soup23

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Posted 18 January 2013 - 11:29 AM

I rewatched the Powers of Pain vs. Rockers MSG 1/15/90 match again last night and think it may be the best WWF tag match from 1985-1995. However, while watching it sort of struck me as to whether this match being great was a result of the Rocker's WWF formula being perfected or them actually adapting to really play up the POP strengths in a way no other teams did. As a result, I decided to do a huge revisit on the Rockers WWF stuff on the P2B board and figured I could cross reference my reviews here.

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Posted 18 January 2013 - 11:32 AM

Rockers vs Conquistadors (Boston Garden, 9/7/1988) I can never tell the Conquistadors apart so this may be helter skelter reviewing. Lord Al, Billy Graham, and Sean Mooney are on commentary. Conquistadors get early advantage with arm drags and slams. Them strutting and celebrating is great and gets Lord Al all excited. Rockers return with their standard flash segment of double team moves and stereo dropkicks sending the Conquistadors to the outside. Rockers are working on the arm and Graham calls for them to take off the mask of the conquistadors. Marty gets an assist from Shawn as he performs a monkey flip on both Conquistadors. Mooney keeps confusing Shawn and Marty. Really nice splash by Shawn on the arm of the Conquistador. Conquistadors finally gain the advantage with a shot to the kidneys of Marty from the apron of the Conquistador. Marty does really good bumping and they are working over the back of Marty. The offense from the Conquistadors is not really impressive and mainly consists of them clubbing the back. Graham says this match has been 2/3rd dominated by the Conquistadors which is completely insane. We are eight minutes in and they have been on offense for around two of those. Decent backbreaker from the Conquistador but this face in peril segment is not real inspiring and the crowd is dead. We then get the dreaded nerve hold which is a staple of any foreign heel. This mercifully doesn’t last too long and Marty gets a hope spot with a splash for two. Marty takes the best bumps on back drops. Really terrible clothesline thrown by the Conquistador and Al gets all pissed at the way he covered marty. We get a double clothesline that looks real bad to and Marty is able to hot tag in Shawn. Shawn shows good fire but misses a dropkick by a country mile. Big fistdrop by Shawn and the Conquistadors run into each other and a big splash from Shawn finishes off the match in around 12 minutes. Not a very good debut for the Rockers. I place a lot of the blame with the Conquistadors as their offense looked clunky and weak. However, the Rockers were a little sloppy and uncoordinated to. The crowd was also pretty indifferent. Certainly much better things are ahead.

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Posted 18 January 2013 - 01:10 PM

I am eager to follow along with this as I have always contended they were the best WWF team in history and if you add that with their AWA work you start to see them as a serious top five contender.

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Posted 18 January 2013 - 03:45 PM

I am trying to convince Phil to synch up with me and watch all of the Rockers vs. Rose Somers matches so we can rank them the way we ranked Choshu-Fujinami.

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Posted 18 January 2013 - 04:22 PM

synch that shit up as a podcast Will!

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Posted 18 January 2013 - 04:33 PM

Some reason I always thought The Rockers were over-rated in the WWF. It probably all stems back to an MSG match versus the Brainbusters where The Rockers do a long heel in peril segments on Arn and I hated it. Probably should re-evaluate.

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Posted 18 January 2013 - 10:57 PM

I am trying to convince Phil to synch up with me and watch all of the Rockers vs. Rose Somers matches so we can rank them the way we ranked Choshu-Fujinami.



This is a good idea. Matches are all pretty different and not cookie cutter. I would recommend watching them along with other notable tags from the set if you are going to bundle watch.

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Posted 18 January 2013 - 11:37 PM

I hate that cage match. The bloodbath is a real contender for my #1 however.

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Posted 18 January 2013 - 11:47 PM

I need to go back and watch more Rockers matches, cause I never really liked the Rockers. But for reasons that have nothing to do with how good they were. I first saw them in the AWA and by that time, to be honest, we'd ( "we" being me and my pal Joey was my only pal who also watched wrestling), we'd only watch the AWA if nothing else was going on, or out of a "It's wrestling, put it on." mentality. So we'd not really pay that much attention, and were all "Who are these two clowns ripping off the Rock N Roll Express and Midnight Express? Oh I think I saw their names in the PWI listings for Central States" and "Who The fuck is Doug Somers?" and leave it at that. And their big run in WWF was right during the time I wasn't really watching wrestling anymore, and when I did it was a random WCW Clash or Saturday Night. So I need to check out more than I've seen.

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Posted 19 January 2013 - 03:48 AM

Even though it was delayed for months, thanks to their own stupidity, I really think that the Rockers showed up ath the perfect time in the WWF. They were the only tag team at the time that had the combo of being talented, experienced, and also were young and 'happening.' Dynamite's back was pretty much fried. Bret and Jim had just recently turned babyface and they were popular, but not the same way that Shawn and Marty were. Roma and Powers never shook the jobber label. The Rougeaus were about to turn heel, or already had. Were the Killer B's even still around?

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Posted 19 January 2013 - 10:01 AM

Even though it was delayed for months, thanks to their own stupidity, I really think that the Rockers showed up ath the perfect time in the WWF. They were the only tag team at the time that had the combo of being talented, experienced, and also were young and 'happening.' Dynamite's back was pretty much fried. Bret and Jim had just recently turned babyface and they were popular, but not the same way that Shawn and Marty were. Roma and Powers never shook the jobber label. The Rougeaus were about to turn heel, or already had. Were the Killer B's even still around?


Bees were just about done at that point...Blair left right before Survivor Series.

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Posted 20 January 2013 - 08:58 AM

Rockers vs Conquistadors (LA Sports Arena, 7/15/1988) Gorilla, Mooney, and Superstar are on commentary for this one. Gorilla pushes for Graham to become the Rockers manager. Match starts with Conquistador taking Marty down with a waistlock and Marty using his speed to escape. Marty gets a nearfall off a crossbody in the early going and locks on a headlock. The Conqusitador goads Shawn into the ring and then they double team while the official tends to Shawn. Marty tries to crossbody both Conquistadors and does so with a dropkick assist from Shawn. Rockers do a real nice sequence where they each give two bodyslams, stereo dropkicks sending the Conquistadors to the outside, and then stereo dives on the outside. Ventura comes out to jaw with Graham and joins commentary. This pisses me off as you can hear stuff going on in the ring as they focus on Jesse. Marty is the one with the splash on the arm in this match and Shawn does some really neat cranking on the arm. Double elbow on the Conquistador as this match has been all Rockers. Conquistadors catch Shawn with a punch on a leap frog and take over. Conquistador offense is very punch, kick, choke oriented but the shots is more precise and stiffer here. Shawn does his crazy bump into the corner. Nice hope spot as Shawn kicks out of a pin attempt and send the Conquistador to the floor, but then the Conquistadors switch to remain on offense. Gorilla cant stop talking about Jesse instead of the match which is annoying. I really like the vicious lucha brawling side of the Conquistadors more than the strutting, clunky style we saw them utilize in the Boston match. Shawn does a good tree standing in the forest style bump off an elbow. This has been really good in cutting off his hope spots. Graham claims Shawn got luck that the ref counted slow. Announcing is terrible. Marty gets the hot tag to a MONSTER pop. Marty has a great hot tag sequence hitting moves and the Conquistadors flying everywhere. Shawn hiptosses Marty onto a Conquistador and then hits the flying fist from the top for the victory in around 15 minutes. Wow what a difference 6 days makes. Graham’s site shows that they worked two more times between Boston and this so perhaps they worked out their problems in the Boston match. This was a really good tag match showing the Rockers as fast and energetic. I can’t wait for their MSG match with the Conquistadors now.

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Posted 22 January 2013 - 09:55 PM

Rockers vs Fabulous Rougeau Brothers (MSG, 7/25/1988) This is the Rockers MSG debut. Lord Alfred, Billy Graham, and Mooney on commentary for this one. Rougeaus are being sporty and offer a handshake in the early going. Jacques and Shawn start with some basic headlock oriented wrestling. Jacques hits a great dropkick with Michaels bouncing off the apron. Jacques again shakes Shawn’s hand. Shawn dropkick misses but Jacques sells anyway. Lord Al calls him out on it on commentary. Tough sequence execution wise for Shawn. Marty and Raymond then get tagged in. Raymond clamps on a full nelson that gets flipped around and then the action picks up a bit and Raymond nails Marty with a back elbow. He goes for it again but Marty reverses into his own back elbow. Shawn gets caught coming in and the Rougeaus start working over the leg and ankle. Jacques starts up a USA chant on the apron and gets booed. Awesome. Shawn quickly tags out on first counter and Marty starts working over the arm of Jacques. Work on the arm is not bad but not great either and pace is really slow. Shawn speeds it up a bit with a crossbody. Marty gets tagged in and caught by the Rougeaus. They start targeting his back and using more heel type aggression and maneuvers. Raymond is jawing on the apron with Shawn while Jacques locks on an abdominal stretch. I always love Raymond’s karate kick to the gut. Hope spot for Marty but it gets stunted with a dropkick to the back with Marty up in the Hart Attack position. Jacques misses a flying bodyblock though and Shawn gets the tag. Shawn again misses a dropkick and he is off tonight. Lord Al is not giving him any breaks either. Big fistdrop from the top but broken up by Jacques. Shawn goes to the top again but gets crotched by Jacques and Raymond covers for the win just under 15 minutes. Afterwards the Bulldogs come out and they have a shoving match with the Rougeaus. Eh. This was not a bad match but not good at all either. I liked the Rougeaus being sportsman and progressively using more heel techniques but the payoff at the end, while pretty cheap felt kind of hollow. The control segments of body work were also uninspiring and the pace was a lot slower than both previous Rockers matches.

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Posted 22 January 2013 - 10:06 PM

I know there are a few Rockers matches during their AWA stint where they worked other promotions with the belts. I THINK one was in Bama. Khawk would know. In any event I need to watch that stuff

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Posted 23 January 2013 - 04:39 PM

Rockers vs Danny Davis/Mike Sharpe (Prime Time Wrestling, 9/20/1988) Marty and Davis start out. Marty gets a neat headscissors takeover which draws Sharpe in. Shawn and Marty give both members a headscissors then although Shawn nearly completely botches his. Shawn works over the arm of Davis. Davis really sucks with weak strikes, soft bumping, and goofy selling. We get the trademark arm work including the splash on the arm. Sharpe backs Marty in the corner and starts clobbering him. Marty fires back and again go to work on the arm of Sharpe. They do a couple of decent sequences were Sharpe gains the advantage but Marty uses his speed and smarts to regain the advantage. Shawn gets caught in the corner and worked over. Davis blocks a monkey flip. Big elbow by Sharpe and good bump by Shawn. Double clothesline puts both men down and Shawn is able to get the tag to Marty. All four men are in and we get a neat finish with Marty sending Sharpe into the ropes and Shawn taking him out with a splash for the three count. This was not a very good match but that was not what I was expecting. I still was able to get some interesting takeaways. So far, Marty has been the clear leader and more polished worker of the team. This match also gave the right amount of offense to Sharpe/Davis in that it didn’t completely bury them since they are name guys but the Rockers dominated most of the match.

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Posted 23 January 2013 - 07:30 PM

I know there are a few Rockers matches during their AWA stint where they worked other promotions with the belts. I THINK one was in Bama. Khawk would know. In any event I need to watch that stuff

They worked a 6-man in Continental with Danny Davis as The Midnight Rock n Rollers against "Golden Boy" Mike Golden and The Sheepherders.

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Posted 24 January 2013 - 10:34 PM

Rockers vs Conquistadors (MSG, 9/29/1988) Trongard, Graham, and Lord Al Hayes on commentary. We get another unique opening with the Conquistadors playing cat and mouse staying away from Marty and then trapping him. They put him in a torture rack and alternate. Shawn has enough of that and sends the conquistadors flying and gets Marty passed to him in a cool spot. Amazing at how varied each opening between these three has been. The Conquistadors have a different demeanor in this match and consult with each other. This leads to the Rocker standby of cranking the arm but that is short lived as the Conquistadors trap him again and start hammering away. Shawn again comes in for the assist and monkey flips Marty right into a clothesline. That was a rinse and repeat sequence but ended in another exciting conclusion so it is fine by me. Offense is again varying on the arm. Conquistadors get advantage with a nasty right hand to Shawn. They throw him in and he takes his great bump into the corner. The Conquistadors then pounce on him with some nice looking boots and offense. Great dropkick by the Conquistador. This was followed by huge back body drop. Pace is really quick with their work. It is not very complicated or really focused on a body part but is vicious, smart, and fast. Shawn is also selling well. Hope spot on sunset flip is short lived as he gets booted from the Conquistador on the outside. They also do a pretty good job in showing Marty showing some restraint on the apron and not being totally detrimental to his partner. Half of the time, the Conquistador will have a discussion with the official allowing the interference to occur. Conquistadors do their switcheroo spot on the outside. Shawn fights his away out of the corner to the cheers of the crowd, however he is unable to make the tag. Nerve hold is applied to Shawn which is my least favorite sequence of the match so far. An abdominal stretch would have been more effective. It was short lived as Shawn again gets a hope spot and comes firing off the ropes but gets back elbowed. They really milked this. Conquistador misses a senton and Shawn tags in marty to a big pop. Typical house of fire with a Conquistador taking a nasty bump on backdrop. Pier six occurs and one of the Conquistador clears out of the ring after he collides with Shawn. Shawn bounces back though and hits a big splash off martys shoulders for the victory in just under 15 minutes. This was a really good match that bordered on great at times. I really loved the first half of the match and was amazed at how different it felt from their previous encounters. The second half was a mix of good and bad as I felt the nerve hold made no sense and I would have liked to see Shawn sell the beating a little. Overall, the second best match of the trilogy and worth going out of your way to see.

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 07:07 AM

I'm a fan of that Conquistadors Mach as well. I watched a bunch of them a few years back and most of them sort of blended together in my head, but then I watched the MSG match again and thought it was probably their best. I'll have to re-watch the 7/15 match from LA. I haven't really been motivated to watch anything in a few months, but I usually stick on a Rockers disc to get me out of a wrestling slump (I'd go to bat for them as the best team in WWF/E history as well, btw).

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 07:15 AM

I can certainly attest this week that the Rockers match is a great watch after you finished studying for the CPA. Only downside is the matches are usually entergetic and it winds me up for another hour before I can go to sleep. Also noticed where I have one more Conquistador match left at LA so that will be interesting when the Rockers are further implemented into the WWF. Next match on the docket is vs. Demolition. I will preface by saying I know I can tolerate Demo more than some and probably would find myself in the middle of the Will/Vic spectrum in regards to them.

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 07:31 AM

If it's the 88 MSG match, keep in mind that it's a match Shawn bitches about since he doesn't think Demos gave them enough. Carry on.




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