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#41 Matt D

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Posted 30 January 2013 - 03:39 PM

They ran the same building every Monday night. I don't care how much you care about a wrestler, you can't draw a crowd week after week that way unless people care about the feud. I think it was the hardest gig in wrestling. Granted, you wonder how much the lack of pro sports teams helped.

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Posted 30 January 2013 - 03:42 PM

I think it helped that there were no major sports teams but I don't think it is the only reason. When Dallas was hot, they had 3 major sports teams. MSG sold out month after month in the 70s and early 80s and they were the sports capital of the world. I think the overall strong booking and Lawler's love affair with Memphis helped sustain it.

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Posted 30 January 2013 - 03:45 PM

Curious: Do you think that drawing every week in the MSC is a harder gig than being the travelling NWA champ?

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Posted 30 January 2013 - 03:57 PM

I think it is a feather in Lawler's cap when we discussed this on the podcast. Besides Buddy Rose in Portland, who has been more important to a territory than Lawler? I know Loss said Flair was just as important to Mid Atlantic but I think of those NWA cities as a cluster (Greensboro, Charlotte, Richmond, etc.) and Dylan listed other guys he thought were just as well received in the promotion based on conversations he had. For touring champ, what it does show is how awesome Flair could be all over the country/world. I think it would be harder physically to be touring champ but I think it is harder as a promoter to have to sell tickets to the same building week after week.

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Posted 30 January 2013 - 04:06 PM

The level of arguments we get in here is interesting. For instance, Flair's booking matters in a WON HOF thread, and Lawler's promotion matters there, but neither matter on a GOAT sort of way.

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Posted 30 January 2013 - 04:42 PM

I know Loss said Flair was just as important to Mid Atlantic


I never said that.

I conceded the category to Lawler, but said it should also be noted how important Flair was to Mid Atlantic, and used that as an opportunity to have Dylan talk about the territory switching from a focus on tag teams to singles stars, with Flair being one of the key guys, and the biggest star of them all over time.

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Posted 30 January 2013 - 06:14 PM

Jerry Lawler is a guy I definitely never appreciated as a fan, having been first introduced to him via the WWF at age 13 in 1993. I'm trying to re-educate myself about him via this board's suggestions and what I can find online. Here's my start (done more or less at random) Jerry Lawler & Bill Dundee vs. Wayne Ferris & Phil Latham 6-15-79 We start joined way in progress with a bloodied Dundee just getting clobbered by Latham. I assume this is in the Tupelo sports arena, and Lord does the ring look small and the picture quality poor but that's no fault of the match. Lawler attacks to keep the fans hopeful. There's a nice little touch where Dundee tries to fight back but he is so completely bloodied and exhausted that his fists have NOTHING to them and Latham doesn't sell them very much at all. Double clothesline gets 2 but then Dundee gets fired up and makes his own comeback, hammering both blond bombers until Lawler comes in to help out. Dundee hits a something (sort of a cross between a cross bodyblock and flying headlock takedown to pin Ferris but the ref is distracted by Lawler hammering Latham outside the ring as I say to heck with PBP and just give general impressions. Finish to the match is Latham elbowing Dundee off a Ferris sunset flip for the bombers to steal the pin and at this point I'm wondering why I'm watching this. But THEN the post match brawl begins. Interesting bit where the blonds keep clobbering Lawler but a fired up Dundee ain't selling nothing for nobody. Finally the faces clear the ring and Lance wishes us a goodnight but then the footage restarts (hard to see here). The brawl is a crazy bloody mess but the picture quality makes it hard to tell what's being used (I swear at one point Lawler ducks an empy popcorn tub being thrown at him) The faces beat the heels down and leave with the belt. SO the heels take their frustrations out on Jerry Jarrett (I've got to assume wrestlers attacking promoters was unknown here) and then the faces return I can see why this was influential but it wasn't actually all that great and Dundee definitely had a lot more to do than Lawler here. Not the most promising start.

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Posted 30 January 2013 - 07:18 PM

I know Loss said Flair was just as important to Mid Atlantic


I never said that.

I conceded the category to Lawler, but said it should also be noted how important Flair was to Mid Atlantic, and used that as an opportunity to have Dylan talk about the territory switching from a focus on tag teams to singles stars, with Flair being one of the key guys, and the biggest star of them all over time.


Fair enough!

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Posted 30 January 2013 - 08:06 PM

I think it is a feather in Lawler's cap when we discussed this on the podcast. Besides Buddy Rose in Portland, who has been more important to a territory than Lawler? I know Loss said Flair was just as important to Mid Atlantic but I think of those NWA cities as a cluster (Greensboro, Charlotte, Richmond, etc.) and Dylan listed other guys he thought were just as well received in the promotion based on conversations he had.

For touring champ, what it does show is how awesome Flair could be all over the country/world. I think it would be harder physically to be touring champ but I think it is harder as a promoter to have to sell tickets to the same building week after week.


I think it's harder to sell tickets in the same place week-to-week up to a point. But being presented as the literal king of a territory has it's obvious benefits. That's not to say what Lawler did was easy - far, far, far, far from it. But in a sense I think Buddy had it harder (he had no Dundee or Lance Russell) and I do think Flair had a lot of value to MACW, in large part because he was able to step in when Johnny Valentine's career ended.

The real guy I want to know more about from MACW is Jardine.

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Posted 31 January 2013 - 01:02 AM

Hopefully some of those awesome 70s tags from the Memphis bulks against Hickerson and Condry make the set. Also will his feud with Bret Hart be covered? And also his match with Matt Classic from 10/12/2011?

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Posted 31 January 2013 - 07:14 AM

Yes, Yes and Yes

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Posted 31 January 2013 - 11:29 PM

I just got the latest load of 70's Memphis discs and popped in Memphis Feud Part 1. The first stuff is some set up for Lawler vs Dundee, then the match. Now, this is when Dundee was a scrappy young babyface and Lawler was a hated heel. This is so fucking awesome. I love the entire Lawler/ Dundee saga, but I've only seen it from when Lawler was a good guy and Dundee had turned bad guy and eventually the first of the legendary Loser Leaves Town matches happened. I've maybe seen a clip or two of this stuff, so this is Holy Grail type shit, right here. Lawler's such a dick here and it's amazing. The first match is Dundee's hair vs Lawler's title, his car, and his manager, Mickey Poole's hair. I've never head of Poole. Was he his manager before Hart? Lawler doesn't mention him in his book. Anyway the match is fucking awesome. Lawler kicks the dogshit out of Dundee, beating him bloody with the chain deal. Billy keeps fighting back, as he has no quit, but Lawler keeps getting the one up on him. Lawler eventually has Dundee in the corner and is just killing him with most amazing looking punches I've ever seen. I mean, just fucking beautiful. I want to take these punches, crush them into a fine powder and snort them so I can feel the awesomeness of them. This leads to the NWA official stopping the match, cause Dundee is in no shape to continue. Dundee begs the official and the ref to let him keep fighting saying "It's MY HAIR! MY HAIR!" and the official "withdraws his intervention", so the match continues! Lawler's all, "What the fuck is this, bullshit? I won!", and then just rips into Dundee beating the fuck out of him some more. Dundee fights back some, and they end up doing the double whammy, both on the mat. Lawler's up first and tries an elbowsmah from the second rope, but misses as Dundee rolls out of the way. Dundee gathers his senses, dives on Lawler and gets the 1-2-3! Plowboy and some faces come out hold Poole as he gets his head shaved. THIS FUCKING RULED. A MILLION STARS. AND THEN!!! Next bit is Lawler in the studio cutting a promo with Lance and Poole's there with a wig on. Lawler's going on about how Dundee had extra emphasis to win because his ugly hag of a wife told him he couldn't come home if he lost. Then outta nowhere, some broad attacks Lawler. Dundee drags her away and Lawler starts shouting, " IT'S HIS OLD LADY! LOOK AT THAT POOLE!" and they're both laughing in disbelief while Lance looks like, "Oh Christ, here we go." Lawler's going on about how Dundee's old lady has to fight for him, asks if the camera caught the ugly hag's face and now he's got an inspiration. He's got a Texas Death match against Dundee this Monday and he's gonna make Dundee quit. And his inspiration is that he's dedicating the match to Dundee's Old Lady, so she can see what kind of a loser the guy she's gonna wake up next to is. This is so god damned great. Christ, I need a cigarette.

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Posted 01 February 2013 - 12:42 AM

So next is the Lawler/ Dundee vs Latham/ Ferris Concession stall fight. So at this time, Lawler had turned babyface, This match rules, but everyone's seen it by now so I'll move on.

So Lawler and Dundee are friends, but Dundee wanted a match with Lawler, and the winner would face Bockwinkel for the AWA belt. Dundee comes out dressed like an full on Elvis Impersonator that got shrunk in the dryer to talk to Dave about the match and watch the video of it. Dundee admits that he got took in by Lawler and thought he was his friend.

At the end of the match it had become a fight. Both Lawler and Dundee had chains and there's a stand off. Lawler and Dundee decide to toss aside the chains and finish this honorably, but Lawler keeps his as Billy tosses his, Lawler knocks out Dundee and gets the win. Then he does the old "point to my own head" deal to show the crowd that he's smart. Dundee's pissed off back in the studio and Lawler's gonna pay.

Lawler does his interview, turns full heel again on Dave and the rednecks in the crowd, trash talks Dundee, goes on about how Bock is a great Champion...but it's Lawler's time. And when he wins the belt, "Ol' Moneybags" Jerry Jarrett is gonna have to cough up some money if he ever wants The World Champion back in Memphis again.

They come back to a studio interview where Lance tells us that Lawler/ Bock was a draw. But apparently, Lawler did get a three count on Bock, I guess right as time ran out. Lawler comes out for an interview and says to Lance, "It's great to see you're back."

"Well, Thanks, Jerr-"

"Yeah, especially after I saw your front."

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Then Lawler says that the ref of the match, Tommy Marlin, was crooked. And he then reveals that Tommy Marlin is Eddie Marlin's brother. And that Eddie Marlin is Jerry Jarrett's father in law. So it's a family conspiracy to keep the world belt off of Lawler. And the reason why, is that if Lawler was World Champ, he'd have to leave Memphis and then Jarrett's business would collapse because The King isn't there.

And people won't come out to see a sawed off runt like Bill Dundee. And Dundee is scared to put up the Southern Title. Dundee does a pre-taped promo from his home where he calls Lawler a jabroni and that Lawler has to earn a title shot. But they are gonna have a non title match this Monday. Back to Lawler and Lance and Lawler's pissed. He calls Dundee a leach who Lawler helped out of the gutter.

Next up is the actual introduction of Jimmy Hart.

Here's what the case of these DVD's should be.

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Posted 01 February 2013 - 07:17 AM

The Promo for this match is on the 2nd Memphis Bulk we did, but it's a great little match from 30/1/1983, Terry Funk, Jerry Lawler and Koko Ware defeated Bobby Eaton, Carl Fergie and Sabu the Wildman in a Texas Death Match. Also on that disc is a great brawl with Lawler and Norvell Austin against Hickerson and Condry...

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Posted 02 February 2013 - 11:31 AM

I had to upload this:



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Posted 02 February 2013 - 12:14 PM

Brings a tear to my eye.

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Posted 02 February 2013 - 01:04 PM

That was spectacular. Makes me want to pop in the Memphis 80s set right about now.

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Posted 04 February 2013 - 12:22 AM

Continuing disc one. we have heel Lawler coming out on top with the belt. Hart doesn't really talk a lot here, as he's just started. It skips to the legendary Loser Leaves Town Match #1 where Lawler is a face and Dundee has turned heel and joined Hart. Everyone knows this match. It's fucking awesome. It's #2 on my best match ever list. I don't really need to go into it, as I'm sure everyone's seen it but watch it again. It's good for you. They cover all the cool shit where Hart figures out a way to bring Dundee back, highlighted by a giant get together of all the heels in the First Family including young Jimmy Cornette in his sailor hat. There's a great Lawler/ Dundee match here that's not from Memphis or Louisville. It's a typical match between the two, which is high fucking praise. Then they get into Dundee's face turn, as he loses to Lawler in Memphis thanks to some mis-timed Hart interference with a chain. Hart's pissed and fires both Dundee and Plowboy Frazier from the family, because they lost their matches. He makes an exception for Ken Patera. Disc one done. Man, I've never really seen much of Lawler as a heel from the Seventies and he's just fucking amazing.

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Posted 04 February 2013 - 01:26 AM

Disc 2 Continues the Dundee face turn, and it's just fucking awesome stuff. All the lead up to Lawler finally agreeing to team up with Dundee against The Bruise Brothers is fucking fantastic. We skip to the beginning of Dundee's heel turn, and it's all so great. Everything makes sense. Memphis gets this rep as being over the top, cartoony, and "phony"...but every fucking angle makes total sense and they always cover all the bases as to why shit is happening. And Lawler/ Dundee is just the most epic feud/ relationship of all time in pro wrestling.

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Posted 04 February 2013 - 08:27 AM

Disc 2

Continues the Dundee face turn, and it's just fucking awesome stuff. All the lead up to Lawler finally agreeing to team up with Dundee against The Bruise Brothers is fucking fantastic.

We skip to the beginning of Dundee's heel turn, and it's all so great. Everything makes sense. Memphis gets this rep as being over the top, cartoony, and "phony"...but every fucking angle makes total sense and they always cover all the bases as to why shit is happening. And Lawler/ Dundee is just the most epic feud/ relationship of all time in pro wrestling.


Man, apparently I missed the boat on this one. Figured I'd sit it out as I had just plowed through the Memphis 80s set but am absolutely regretting it now.




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