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#21 Ditch

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Posted 18 August 2013 - 04:26 PM

"Jun Akiyama/Makoto Hashi/Yoshinobu Kanemaru/Saito v. Kenta Kobashi/KENTA/Kentaro Shiga/Tsuyoshi Kikuchi (NOAH, 9/5/02 [9/15/02 TV], Tokyo) "Match of the Year Candidate" aired 15:00 of 50:11"

Did this ever get released as complete anywhere? If so, is MOTY accurate or is it just Meltzer hyperbole?

Most complete version is 25 minutes, which is enough for me to say that it looks very good, isn't MOTY, but I can't say where it falls between "very good" and "MOTYC".

Interesting viewing project for myself as I'm backed up as it is but a year to watch this many matches? Plus I haven't seen that much of Japan from 2000's so would be interesting to see.

That's why I highlighted matches that did best in the year-by-year votes, so you can narrow it down to 100/150 matches and still get the vast majority of what would likely be on your ballot.

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Posted 19 August 2013 - 04:59 PM

Every week I will be highlighting a match that I think deserves love and might not get enough eyeballs as people select what to watch, which means not many Kobashi or KENTA write-ups because they don't need any hype. Not much 2000/2001 so it will skip ahead of y'all for a few months. Kanemoto & Minoru Tanaka vs Liger & Makabe, IWGP junior tag team titles, New Japan September 12th 2000 Background: Makabe was a somewhat plus-sized junior heavyweight at this point in his career, and his simplistic moveset was balanced by the power advantage he had over other juniors. Why I think it's underrated: This aired on New Japan's somewhat obscure SXW program, which meant it was hard to come by initially. I only found it because of a positive review by Stuart of puroresufan.com. The match relies on Japan's standard "young lion underdog tries to make good" story, with Makabe holding his own against the much more skilled champions. This isn't an earth-shatteringly great match, but it's very solid and builds to a few excellent nearfalls off of relatively small moves. What it deserves: Top 100 consideration / on the bubble.

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Posted 20 August 2013 - 08:18 AM

I'm actually going to try to watch a big chunk of this over the next year. Do you think it would be possible to get a sub-forum going to discuss some of the matches?

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Posted 20 August 2013 - 09:07 AM

I'm actually going to try to watch a big chunk of this over the next year. Do you think it would be possible to get a sub-forum going to discuss some of the matches?


I'm willing to set one up -- similar to the yearbook forums -- if there's interest from a lot of people.

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Posted 20 August 2013 - 04:19 PM

By my count, there are 103 bolded matches. Is that correct?

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Posted 20 August 2013 - 04:28 PM

May not be a bad idea to set up a separate forum since DVDVR is so spotty.

#27 Ditch

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Posted 20 August 2013 - 05:01 PM

103 bolded, yes. Ten from each year plus three from the "leftovers" vote. I'd really enjoy a subforum but it definitely doesn't need a thread for every match like the yearbooks.

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Posted 20 August 2013 - 06:21 PM

I'll probably try and do a list for this. I've seen quite a bit from the first half of the decade, especially 2003-2006 NOAH, but I'd really have to catch up on the later stuff, except for 2009 where I saw a handful of the top matches.

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Posted 20 August 2013 - 06:40 PM

I've been slowly working on cleaning up the spreadsheet. Would anyone have any interest in this when I'm done?

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Posted 20 August 2013 - 06:42 PM

Sign me up.

#31 Ditch

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Posted 20 August 2013 - 10:50 PM

If you have formatting suggestions, I can update the master file, but having your own file is problematic when links are guaranteed to change in the course of a year.

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Posted 21 August 2013 - 05:07 AM

If you have formatting suggestions, I can update the master file, but having your own file is problematic when links are guaranteed to change in the course of a year.


Understandable. I'd be happy to work on formatting changes for the master itself. I'm just super weird when it comes to Excel.

Also, I've been finding some of these matches on Youtube. Should I post those links when I find them?

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Posted 21 August 2013 - 05:47 PM

First match in and I think people will hate me for my opinion. Tenryu vs. Kawada. Meh.

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Posted 21 August 2013 - 10:38 PM

Also, I've been finding some of these matches on Youtube. Should I post those links when I find them?

I guess if they're good video quality.

First match in and I think people will hate me for my opinion. Tenryu vs. Kawada. Meh.

HERETIC!!

But seriously, it has its flaws, and I didn't even like it the first time I watched it (~2002).

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Posted 22 August 2013 - 12:02 AM

I'm actually going to try to watch a big chunk of this over the next year. Do you think it would be possible to get a sub-forum going to discuss some of the matches?


I'm willing to set one up -- similar to the yearbook forums -- if there's interest from a lot of people.


I was going to use the Microscope. It is six and one half dozen for me. Though one nice thing about the Microscope is even when I talk about matches people sometimes go interesting tangents just about the wrestler. It is not as match focused, but it is more broad to focus on the wrestlers in involved. However, I would also post in a sub-forum and it would be easier to see other people's thoughts in regards to one match. I could go either way, but if it is made, I will use it.

Kawada vs Sasaki 10/00 - quick notes a bit underwhelming and actually felt abrupt. I'll have more notes later just my knee jerk reaction. I preferred Kawada/Tenryu and Tenryu/Sasaki. I have not felt like anyone has hit a home run yet. But all three matches were very entertaining.

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Posted 22 August 2013 - 05:16 AM

Also, I've been finding some of these matches on Youtube. Should I post those links when I find them?

I guess if they're good video quality.

First match in and I think people will hate me for my opinion. Tenryu vs. Kawada. Meh.

HERETIC!!

But seriously, it has its flaws, and I didn't even like it the first time I watched it (~2002).



The quality is fine...for me. I'm just lazy about downloading the actual files. Not that I couldn't just load it up on my ATV or Roku or something, but I'm all about just adding these matches to a YouTube playlist and just having it there. Although if I'm going to plan on watching a bunch of this, I really should just download the matches and be done with it.

I'm guessing I would like the Tenryu/Kawada match if I was more familiar with their history. I enjoyed watching them beat the stuffing out of each other, but I HATED that Kawada totally stopped selling the leg. Not to mention, Tenryu was incredibly sloppy. Now I haven't seen a lot of Tenryu (I really haven't seen a lot of any Japan, to be honest) so I don't really have a good baseline, but he drove me crazy. The fact that he fell over putting on the 2nd Sharpshooter was just sad. It looked like a 50 year old man that just couldn't do it anymore. Later when he threw his "rolling" kick to mirror Kawada, I cringed.

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Posted 22 August 2013 - 03:40 PM

I'll try to get in a ballot for this, my feelings on what are the elite matches of 2000s Japan need some fleshing out/informing anyway. Looking at the list though, I'd recommend everyone to watch the Saito v. Honda match from 2003 even though it's not even italicized. If it's as good as I remember it it would do well on my top 50.

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Posted 22 August 2013 - 05:17 PM

The leg stuff is definitely the worst part of Tenryu/Kawada: dull when it's happening and totally forgotten. There isn't *that* much backstory other than Kawada having a few Tenryu trademarks (powerbomb, step kicks); 95% of the value is the slugfest aspect.

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Posted 25 August 2013 - 09:26 AM

New to this wrestling internet watching business and couldn't watch these AVI wrestling matches. Got Windows Media Player, restarted computer and appear to be good now. Nice. I watched a lot of 2001-2002 Japan and most of the big NOAH shows up to early 2007. Happy to revisit some of this stuff. Question, do the Kanemaru versus Liger and KENTA dome show matches not rate highly?

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Posted 25 August 2013 - 09:28 AM

Kanemaru is not a guy that is very popular in the "IWC", to say the least.




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