Sidebottom Posted November 5, 2013 Report Share Posted November 5, 2013 Raymond Rougeau was not someone you'd want to mess with apparently. Raymond Rougeau was an honest-to-goodness ass stomper? Wow! The guy looked like a youth pastor. See, I love finding out shit like that. Reminds me of the time I learned Dr. Ruth was a sniper for the Israeli army. Astonishing. Bret Hart told in a shoot interview that Dynamite Kid would mess around with Jacques but didn't go after Raymond even when he was injured because he knew Ray was not a guy to be fucking with. Not to mention he was a smart guy too, getting out of the ring at 35 with his health and plenty of money. I don't remember Bret telling the story like that. By all accounts (including Jacques) Dynamite said he was going to wait for Ray to heal, then slap him. It was an intimidation / bully thing. If Dynamite was that wary, he would have stopped messing with Jacques in fear of some form of reprisal from Ray. As much as that incident is spoken about, I'm still confident that had Jacques not sucker punched Tom and came at him in somewhat of a more fair manner, Jacques would have been handled again. The fact that Jacques hit him full pelt in the face (with or without brass knucks / coins, depending on who you believe) and he still couldn't floor Tom, I think that's a pretty strong indicator things wouldn't have gone so well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeCampbell Posted November 6, 2013 Report Share Posted November 6, 2013 Tom himself said in his book that if Patterson wasn't right there, then he would have gone up to them in a totally different manner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
claw64 Posted April 18, 2014 Report Share Posted April 18, 2014 Black Jack Mulligan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyonthewall2983 Posted April 18, 2014 Report Share Posted April 18, 2014 Vader told my favorite Harley story, about him beating Scott Norton in what was called the test of strength back then, so bad that a ring on Scott's finger became embedded in his skin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clayton Jones Posted April 19, 2014 Report Share Posted April 19, 2014 I've heard this Harley story multiple times, and it's one of my favorite pro wrestling tales of bad assery.http://www.steeldomainwrestling.com/news_article/show/175171?referral=rss Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Farmer Posted April 19, 2014 Report Share Posted April 19, 2014 I was talking with Matt Borne a few weeks before he passed away and we got to talking about Buzz Sawyer. Now Matt was a tough guy, and has beat up numerous wrestlers himself and not one to back down from a fight. He admitted that he and Buzz had a rep for being tough guys and even working rough with some guys. But Buzz and Matt did not always get along and the two got into a couple fights. The most well known was a fight the two had on the side of the highway. Matt said Buzz was one of the toughest guys he ever met, and said that Buzz showed him how tough he was! Don Jardine was also known as a tough guy, including beating up Stan Stasiak severly once. Word has it that if Peter Maivia & Gary Hart didn't pull him off he would have killed him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeCampbell Posted April 19, 2014 Report Share Posted April 19, 2014 If you believe Kevin Von Erich, Gino Hernandez was one of the least tough guys in the business. The only guy who's ass that Gino could kick was Ox Baker, so Gino found an excuse to do it every time he and Ox were in the same building. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricky Jackson Posted April 19, 2014 Report Share Posted April 19, 2014 Funny, because Ox was a bit of a badass himself, killing two wrestlers with his Heart Punch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Farmer Posted April 19, 2014 Report Share Posted April 19, 2014 Brad Rheingans was another guy who was incredibly tough. All the Minnesota boys raved about how tough he was including other tough guys like Rick Rude and Hawk. There's stories about him throwing around Vader, the Steiners and Curt Hennig among others. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ditch Posted April 19, 2014 Report Share Posted April 19, 2014 Pretty much anyone from New Japan's dojo got quality training in shoot holds and general toughness. I mean, yeah Andre was nearly crippled by 1986, but would YOU go at him legit like Maeda did rather than just bailing and taking a countout loss? And Maeda might not have even been the most legit guy from the dojo over the years. Also, 2 Cold Scorpio was not to be messed with. New Jack with multiple "justifiable homicides" might take it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El-P Posted April 19, 2014 Report Share Posted April 19, 2014 New Jack with multiple "justifiable homicides" might take it. I fail to see how that makes him a legit badass. He may very well be, but... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ditch Posted April 20, 2014 Report Share Posted April 20, 2014 Being badass is about handling yourself in a dangerous situation. That said, I'm guessing New Jack with only his bare hands would be nothing special. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El-P Posted April 20, 2014 Report Share Posted April 20, 2014 That said, I'm guessing New Jack with only his bare hands would be nothing special. That's what I meant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidebottom Posted April 20, 2014 Report Share Posted April 20, 2014 New Jack. Good one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaymeFuture Posted April 23, 2014 Report Share Posted April 23, 2014 I think Pillman was supposed to be a bad son of a bitch as well - obviously the famous story of backing down Sid in 91, but he pulled Brick Bronsky's eye out in a fight in Stampede and had a few fairly well witnessed altercations in Cinncinnati (including defending a drunk Brian Blados at a Bengals alumni banquet against several guys at once and coming out on top). Also heard it said that he called out Bill Kazmaier countless times back in the day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Farmer Posted April 25, 2014 Report Share Posted April 25, 2014 What made the fight with Brick even more legendary was that he sucker punched Pillman, on the urging of Dynamite Kid. Pillmam came back and tore him up. Someone described it as like a fight scene in a movie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BruiserBrody Posted November 27, 2014 Report Share Posted November 27, 2014 http://culturecrossfire.com/wrestling/when-shit-got-real-incidents-of-pro-wrestling-becoming-shoot-fights-vol-1/#.VHcpx8mmXjIPart one of a multiple part look back of when worked bouts turned into legit fights.This time around has Lou Thesz, Strangler Lewis, Karl Gotch, Rikidozan and other stars featured. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyonthewall2983 Posted November 28, 2014 Report Share Posted November 28, 2014 Fritz Von Erich probably qualifies. The guy just looked like someone you didn't fuck around with, even in his golden years. He physically reminded me a bit of my grandpa who was 6'3-4, and even on his death bed had a strong grip. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fantastic Posted November 30, 2014 Report Share Posted November 30, 2014 Akira Hokuto - Aged 19, she broke her neck taking a botched Tombstone Piledriver in a 2/3 falls match, had her neck set during the intermission between falls and wrestled the rest of the match holding her neck in place with her hands.. Two years later she tore her knee open, tied a bandage around her leg, and got back into the ring. The match was called to an end because she couldn't physically wrestle with such an injury, but she still tried to! Those AJW girls were tough as shit, there's numerous other examples out there, but Hokuto always cries badassery. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loss Posted December 1, 2014 Report Share Posted December 1, 2014 Akira Hokuto - Aged 19, she broke her neck taking a botched Tombstone Piledriver in a 2/3 falls match, had her neck set during the intermission between falls and wrestled the rest of the match holding her neck in place with her hands.. Two years later she tore her knee open, tied a bandage around her leg, and got back into the ring. The match was called to an end because she couldn't physically wrestle with such an injury, but she still tried to! Those AJW girls were tough as shit, there's numerous other examples out there, but Hokuto always cries badassery. This is a great pick. And I also loved that they did a broken arm as an angle (I don't know if it was "broken" or just severely injured in the storyline) during Hokuto-Kandori at Dreamslam to play off of her history. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ohtani's jacket Posted December 1, 2014 Report Share Posted December 1, 2014 Isn't the arm angle in that match because Kandori puts her in the armbar after her mic spot? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loss Posted December 1, 2014 Report Share Posted December 1, 2014 Yes, but Hokuto sold it like it was severely injured and sold it in subsequent matches for at least a month. I always took that as her having a history of having worked through big injuries before and this being a time she has to gut it out and do it again, only the previous ones were not worked and this one was. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BruiserBrody Posted December 4, 2014 Report Share Posted December 4, 2014 http://culturecrossfire.com/wrestling/when-got-real-incidents-of-pro-wrestling-becoming-a-shoot-vol-2/#.VIB4F8mmXjIPart two of looking back at when worked bouts turned into legit fights features Antonio Inoki, Rikidozan, Karl Gotch, Bob Roop, Mr. Wrestling Tim Woods and other stars~!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
van_Fair Posted December 5, 2014 Report Share Posted December 5, 2014 Tiger Hattori On an episode of Talk'n Shop they talked about how he is the guy backstage in New Japan who you absolutely don't mess with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamthedoctor Posted December 6, 2014 Report Share Posted December 6, 2014 Les Kellett the hardest man in Britain! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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