
Undertaker > Hogan
#21
Posted 26 October 2013 - 01:45 AM
#22
Posted 26 October 2013 - 03:29 AM
Using JVK's first post I will say this Undertaker is a bigger star than the Silverhawks. Anyone wanna argue that point?
So THAT's who that is. I was like hmmm Aquaman? I never saw SilverHawks.
1. Hogan
2. Austin
3. Bruno (I could possibly be convinced to flip Bruno and Austin)
4. Andre (I could see arguments for Andre higher than Bruno and Austin on an overall list not exclusive to WWE)
5. The Rock
6. Savage
7. Cena
8. Taker
9. Backlund (To me maybe the hardest guy to rate and I have the least confidence in his placement)
10. Piper
11. Foley
12. HHH
13. Michaels
14. Bret
15. Misterio
16. Morales
17. Graham
18. Orndorff
19. Slaughter
20. Dibiase
Jake I reckon. Possibly above some of these guys.
Duggan.
Beefcake.
Possibly Rude and Perfect too.
These are guys I'd say would be widely known in the 25-35 male demographic at the very least.
Lou Albano must have been pretty well known for a certain generation of people.

Flair.
#23
Posted 26 October 2013 - 03:43 AM

#24
Posted 26 October 2013 - 05:21 AM
#25
Posted 26 October 2013 - 10:12 AM
#26
Posted 26 October 2013 - 10:21 AM
#27
Posted 26 October 2013 - 01:19 PM
I think Andre has to be #2. Rock should be above Austin. I don't think Bruno is really that famous outside the NE. Savage is there somewhere alongside Austin too.
To me the list isn't just about fame. It's about value to the promotion.
#28
Posted 26 October 2013 - 01:26 PM
I'm wondering how much of Andre's fame currently is more a result of The Princess Bride continuing to grow from generation to generation as a beloved movie? Which reminds me of this bit of awesomeness.

I need this framed and on my wall, post haste.
#29
Posted 26 October 2013 - 02:01 PM
#30
Posted 26 October 2013 - 02:57 PM
Might it be argued that Austin was more relatively important than Hogan? Hogan was the head of the 80s boom but I feel like that was thanks to cable, national expansion, Vince's vision etc and could've happened with a number of big, charismatic Champions on top (not that there are a whole lot of guys who fit that bill as well as Hogan). The Attitude Era boom though feels like a real outgrowth of Austin himself.
Meltzer made a point that when Austin got in trouble for the Debra stuff, it barely made a blip in news media, but when it was Hogan-all over the place. I do have to think fame and importance has to go hand in hand, unless you were a journeyman that left promotions after six months or something. Being famous means people know who you work for means people are watching for you.
#31
Posted 26 October 2013 - 03:24 PM
I think the boom was also an outgrowth of the grand anti-hero movement and Hogan, via the NWO, was also a big part of that.Might it be argued that Austin was more relatively important than Hogan? Hogan was the head of the 80s boom but I feel like that was thanks to cable, national expansion, Vince's vision etc and could've happened with a number of big, charismatic Champions on top (not that there are a whole lot of guys who fit that bill as well as Hogan). The Attitude Era boom though feels like a real outgrowth of Austin himself.
When comparing Hogan and Austin career-versus-career, I can never shake the fact that, even though Austin absolutely eclipsed Hulk at one point, Hogan was still an important and prominent figure during that time.
#32
Posted 26 October 2013 - 03:28 PM
#33
Posted 26 October 2013 - 03:39 PM
#34
Posted 26 October 2013 - 04:19 PM
And the USWA and Michinoku Pro.Actually Taker WAS farmed out to the territories, or at least SMW
#35
Posted 26 October 2013 - 04:46 PM
Also, when WWE was at it's peak of popularity, the biggest show they did was Austin vs. Undertaker. Anyone with a pulse in 98 knew about that show.
Taker isn't close to Hogan though. Everyone knows Hulk Hogan. He's the biggest wrestling star of the last 30 years, and it's not really close. I love Austin, but Hogan was a bigger star.
#36
Posted 27 October 2013 - 10:52 PM
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Posted 28 October 2013 - 01:50 AM
#38
Posted 28 October 2013 - 02:39 AM
#39
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Posted 28 October 2013 - 04:31 AM
just an anecdotal note. I went to the WWE House Show on the 5th of this month in Albany and a woman was passing out flyers for an upcoming Bret Hart appearance in the area. I stood around for awhile and I'd have to say that at least half (and that's generous) of the fans that she approached had no idea who Bret was. But the last few times I've attended WWE Shows it still amazes me that the crowd is mostly filled with 10-12 year olds and their begrudging parents (in fact I sat next to a father/son tandem at the show who made me laugh quite often with their interactions)
Yes. That's why I'm not sure if Austin has significantly more name recognition than even McMahon, partly because his run on top was so brief and people forget names over time. Many will remember him as the guy who chugged beers on wrestling but not as Stone Cold. For that reason alone, I think Undertaker has more recognition than Austin because his character name is more easily remembered and he has been around forever.
Hogan is weird in that, though known by an awful lot of the public, he's sort of the caricature for why pro-wrestling is seen as a trashy, dysfunctional subculture that deserves no respect, in contrast to the Rock or Jesse Ventura.
The board really should evaluate what pro-wrestling's image would be today had Hogan never outted himself that way on Arsenio. Imo, it's a scandal that harmed wrestling even more than Benoit since head trauma is sort of a given in any contact sport whereas the American hero who preached God and vitamins whilst obviously lying about his steroid use, exposing the promotion as little better than sleazy glorified drug pushers, really made the promotion that market itself as family entertainment seem like the most rotten hypocrites in America. It's a miracle that WWE survived that scandal, much less strived later on.
#40
Posted 28 October 2013 - 04:40 AM
And the USWA and Michinoku Pro.Actually Taker WAS farmed out to the territories, or at least SMW
And WAR (vs King Haku)
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