Matt D Posted February 10, 2014 Report Share Posted February 10, 2014 Transitioning from one plot point to the next. Sometimes a great transition happens in the middle of a heat segment where a face gives you a hope spot but injures his knee on the turnbuckle so the heel starts attacking the knee. Sometimes, there is no transition or spot that logically allows a babyface or heel to take over. They just decide to switch who is in control. I think plot point is a really good way to look at transitions. "act break" is another. Or Momentum shift. Plot point is probably because because theoretically you could transition without changing who's in control. It could be a change in strategy as well. To me, good transitions is up there with consistent selling and throughline continuity in a match for what really makes matches great. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loss Posted February 10, 2014 Report Share Posted February 10, 2014 I've also seen transitions defined as what wrestlers do between moves, not just a momentum shift within a match. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt D Posted February 10, 2014 Report Share Posted February 10, 2014 That's so basic a thing, I'm not sure how I'd refer to it. Chaining moves together is a specific thing. Varying offense and "keeping things interesting" is again, another specific thing. Actually, I refer to that as "negative space" a lot, especially when talking about Mark Henry, since it's something that stands out with him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loss Posted February 10, 2014 Report Share Posted February 10, 2014 Not to pick on Angle, but I remember when he was especially green that he would throw a suplex, then he would just stand there until his opponent got up, then just throw another one. The Austin match in early '01 on RAW really stands out for that. He didn't seem natural. By that definition, that would be an example of bad (or absent) transitions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JNLister Posted February 10, 2014 Report Share Posted February 10, 2014 One question on this topic: is it possible to distinguish between the terms that originated within the business (among the wrestlers and promoters, etc.) and those that were coined by outsiders who have analysed the matches? It might be now, but it won't be for long given how many people starting out as wrestlers these days grew up as Internet fans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bix Posted February 16, 2014 Report Share Posted February 16, 2014 Since this is affecting other threads: "Workrate" and "working" are not the same thing. "Highspots" are not inherently unrealistic or high flying spots. And while nobody's used it here lately, there is no such thing as "babyface heat." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DR Ackermann Posted February 17, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 17, 2014 A simple vertical suplex could be considered a high spot, correct? And workrate is basically a measure of downtime, right? Like certain guys would be criticized for not being a workrate wrestler because they are always putting on chin locks and the like just to kill time? Whereas someone like Angle would be considered a workrate wrestler because the match keeps going, for better or worse? Also, in lucha, what exactly is a lightning match, and is that a kayfabe term that they use in Mexico, or is it insider terminology, like a sprint? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ohtani's jacket Posted February 17, 2014 Report Share Posted February 17, 2014 A lightning match is a one fall bout with a ten minute time limit. In Spanish, they call it a match relampago. It's not an insider term. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bix Posted February 17, 2014 Report Share Posted February 17, 2014 A simple vertical suplex could be considered a high spot, correct? And workrate is basically a measure of downtime, right? Like certain guys would be criticized for not being a workrate wrestler because they are always putting on chin locks and the like just to kill time? Whereas someone like Angle would be considered a workrate wrestler because the match keeps going, for better or worse? Yes and yes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DR Ackermann Posted March 4, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 4, 2014 This isn't a question of terminology, but how is AAA's name perceived in Mexico? Asistencia Asesoría y Administración means "Advice and management assistance" according to babelfish and "Assistance, Consulting, and Administration" according to wikipedia. In Mexico how does that relate to pro wrestling and how/why is that the name of the promotion? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Farmer Posted March 9, 2014 Report Share Posted March 9, 2014 A highspot is simply a part of the match where the action has picked up. A highspot can just as easily be a headlock spot. Most of these definitions only exist outside of the business. But of course like every generation they will become intergrated with the younger generation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt D Posted March 9, 2014 Report Share Posted March 9, 2014 I think really we, as viewers with our specific (insane) level of trying to follow and understand this stuff, have more of a need to classify things than people inside the business do. Most of the terms used in literary criticism probably aren't frequently used by authors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dawho5 Posted March 10, 2014 Report Share Posted March 10, 2014 I'd agree. As a training martial artist in a traditional art, I understand completely. The Chinese words we use for different things are pronounced completely different by different people, to the point where you wouldn't even recognize the word sometimes. As long as the people involved understand the what of it, what it is called is pretty meaningless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DR Ackermann Posted March 26, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 26, 2014 What is "feeding?" As in, "He's great at feeding offense to babyfaces." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt D Posted March 28, 2014 Report Share Posted March 28, 2014 I think the easiest way to understand the term feeding is "running into the babyface's fist." There's more to it than that, but think of a hot tag where guys just charge into the fresh man's offense and make him look great and get the crowd going. I really do think there's an element of going up well in slams and over for arm drags here, usually in rapid fire sequences. I saw this the other day (and yeah, WWE probably owns it but it's old and handheld and I'm posting it). Check out the 55 second mark when Jones tags in. Paul Jones is pretty lame, but he doesn't look lame for a twenty second span there, and that's really just a few punches. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Farmer Posted March 28, 2014 Report Share Posted March 28, 2014 Feeding is as simple as putting your body in a position to receive offense. If you are crawling up the ropes you "give" them your back to hit. In the original question the word "base" was used. A good base is simply someone who is great at taking a spot. Think Psicosis when he worked Rey Misterio Jr, it's actually a term used mostly for lucha style spots. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yunro Posted March 29, 2014 Report Share Posted March 29, 2014 Southern Tag: What exactly makes a tag match a southern-style tag? Is it the basic face gets worked over, is in peril and finally makes the hot tag? Is that it? In regards to Southern Tag, why is that term used, were tag matches elsewhere laid out in a different way and if so were there a lot of differences? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loss Posted March 30, 2014 Report Share Posted March 30, 2014 Southern tag is a colloquialism that simply refers to the standard American tag where a babyface is in peril to build to a hot tag. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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