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#21 Loss

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Posted 19 March 2014 - 01:21 PM

Nash formed his own rogue collective bargaining group to ensure that he and his friends got paid what they thought they deserved. It doesn't surprise me that he's a pretty staunch Democrat.



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Posted 19 March 2014 - 02:35 PM

 

 

Libertarians: Val Venis, Glen Jacobs, probably numerous others.

 

Kane is more a Tea Party "libertarian" rather than a deeply philosophical libertarian. Not dissimilar to where a lot of people who were typically GOP ran to during/after the Bush years and "Republican" made some of them a bit uneasy.

 

This isn't really true.  Jacobs is a believer in Austrian economics, very familiar with Mises, Rothbard, et.  It is true that he is somewhat wedded to the Ron/Rand Paul political strategy, but I know for a fact he is more deeply philosophical than a lot of people who are actually in the LP

 

 

Oh, I know his stuff about Austrian economics. But having read his framing of it relative to Keynes, it tends to come across much more as Tea Party / Paulian view of Austrian econ than truly deep philosophical and thinking.



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Posted 19 March 2014 - 02:42 PM

 

 

 

Libertarians: Val Venis, Glen Jacobs, probably numerous others.

 

Kane is more a Tea Party "libertarian" rather than a deeply philosophical libertarian. Not dissimilar to where a lot of people who were typically GOP ran to during/after the Bush years and "Republican" made some of them a bit uneasy.

 

This isn't really true.  Jacobs is a believer in Austrian economics, very familiar with Mises, Rothbard, et.  It is true that he is somewhat wedded to the Ron/Rand Paul political strategy, but I know for a fact he is more deeply philosophical than a lot of people who are actually in the LP

 

 

Yeah, dude has writings up on Lew Rockwell's website.  He's pretty close to as philosophically into it as it gets.

 

 

Which is pretty much what I mean. Rockwell is a classic Paulian version of Libertarian: on the econ side where/when they care for it, and slide over to social conservatism when they care for it, and end up with a melting pot mish-mash.  The Gov is evil... except when we want the Gov to quash out what we don't like.

 

Granted, you'll get the same mish mash over on the other side.



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Posted 19 March 2014 - 02:55 PM

Speaking of which, Kevin Von Erich is/was a Ron Paul supporter.



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Posted 19 March 2014 - 03:07 PM

 

Which is pretty much what I mean. Rockwell is a classic Paulian version of Libertarian: on the econ side where/when they care for it, and slide over to social conservatism when they care for it, and end up with a melting pot mish-mash.  The Gov is evil... except when we want the Gov to quash out what we don't like.

 

Granted, you'll get the same mish mash over on the other side.

 

 

Rockwell and the Mises Institute guys are pretty pragmatic (they were all about Buchanan in the 90s too) but they're very different from the Tea Party type.  The Tea Party was 95%  pure rebranding with the 5% being a slight de-emphasis on aggressive foreign policy.  Even the more "dedicated" Tea Partiers would be more interested in reading the Federalist Papers than Human Action.  Actually, I'd be interested to know how much Kane is into the founding fathers reverence stuff.

 

For fun though, here is Kane's incredibly poor argument (even on his own terms) against equal pay:

http://fff.org/explo...pay-equal-work/



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Posted 19 March 2014 - 06:04 PM

"Libertarianism" in a modern sense is largely about re-branding. One of the reasons I tend to view Rockwell as a goof is that he's spent so much of his life regularly re-branding himself because he didn't like how the prior re-branding came to be seen.

 

The Ledbetter piece by Kane is one I have memory reading at the time when someone pointed me to what a crackpot Kane was.  I'm sure that Kane thinks he's being deeply philosophical in his writing because he's citing stuff he pulled from someone else who had previously written on the topic. But... eh.  :/



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Posted 19 March 2014 - 06:43 PM

 

 

 

Libertarians: Val Venis, Glen Jacobs, probably numerous others.

 

Kane is more a Tea Party "libertarian" rather than a deeply philosophical libertarian. Not dissimilar to where a lot of people who were typically GOP ran to during/after the Bush years and "Republican" made some of them a bit uneasy.

 

This isn't really true.  Jacobs is a believer in Austrian economics, very familiar with Mises, Rothbard, et.  It is true that he is somewhat wedded to the Ron/Rand Paul political strategy, but I know for a fact he is more deeply philosophical than a lot of people who are actually in the LP

 

 

Oh, I know his stuff about Austrian economics. But having read his framing of it relative to Keynes, it tends to come across much more as Tea Party / Paulian view of Austrian econ than truly deep philosophical and thinking.

 

 

The argument relative to Keynes literally goes back to Hayek v. Keynes.  Before the Tea Party even existed, there were libertarian writers pointing to Keynes as the evil other acting as a trojan horse toward state socialism decades ago.  I don't really know any Tea Partiers I would regard as seriously engaged with Austrian economics, unless you want to argue that a knowledge of what the Road to Serfdom contains qualifies, and I am someone who has covered them and dealt with them on a daily basis far more often than the average person.  Matt Kibbe who was with FreedomWorks and others their certainly have interest in Mises, but they are the exception so far as I can tell, and Jacobs is much more of an orthodox Austrian based on his writings, affiliations, and personal conversations he's had with people I know. 

 

The idea that Rockwell is a Tea Party type is completely bizarre.  I literally know of no one familiar with Lew as a fan, critic, bitter enemy, et. who sees him as Jim Demitt or Mike Lee type.  I don't really think PWO is the place to discuss paleolibertarianism as a political strategy and/or the poor branding decisions of Rockwell (or Rothbard) over the years, but I don't think there is a great deal of evidence to support the argument that the writings, academic career, public profile, et. of Rockwell is that of a social conservative who wishes to use the power of the state to impose his will on others. 



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Posted 19 March 2014 - 06:46 PM

Fellas, we're supposed to be talking about wrestler's political affiliations, real or imagined. Not this other stuff.

 

I blame Obama for this thread going off track.



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Posted 19 March 2014 - 07:02 PM

I think the important question here is - were the Moondogs anarcho-primtivists?



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Posted 19 March 2014 - 07:17 PM

The social views of Rockwell and his ilk are pretty clearly reactionary. They may oppose using the power of the federal government to impose such views, but they also oppose federal intervention to prevent individual states from imposing those views. In their view, if a state wants to ban abortion or impose segregation, let them have at it.

 

Back on topic, I'm pretty sure Shawn Michaels is a Republican. He also bears an uncanny resemblance to Nazi foreign minister Joachim von Ribbentrop.

 

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Posted 19 March 2014 - 07:28 PM

I think the important question here is - were the Moondogs anarcho-primtivists?

 

I believe Max Moon was an optimus-primivist.



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Posted 24 March 2014 - 05:57 PM


 

The idea that Rockwell is a Tea Party type is completely bizarre.

 

 

I didn't say he was a Tea Party guy.

 

I said he was a goof who keeps rebranding himself over the decades when he finds his prior branding uncomfortable.

 

*That* regular rebranding of himself is not dissimilar to how a large chunk of Tea Party folks are little more than rebranded from parties (and mostly from one specific party) because they don't care for their prior branding.

 

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Posted 28 March 2014 - 10:23 AM

Pro Wrestling Only: come for the discussion of heterodox wrestling views, stay for the discussion of heterodox political views.



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Posted 28 March 2014 - 07:38 PM

Wasn't Pillman a hard-core Republican?

Work to push the loose cannon gimmick, IIRC.

Foley is an interesting one because as left leaning guys like Punk, Bryan, and company are, there's no one else I could see being as deep into modern feminist politics as he is.

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Posted 28 March 2014 - 10:50 PM

Inoki is a neocon (no shit, is anyone surprised) and Hase is a Lib-Dem. For those in the UK, there’s a distinction between our Lib-Dems and the Japanese ones who are more towards centre-right and not centre-left.

 

Kandori is also a Lib Dem as a member of the Diet. I suspect that whatever party of which Sasuke would be a member, it is entirely on his own crazy, crazy terms.



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Posted 09 April 2014 - 12:58 PM

how has nobody mentioned ludvig borga getting elected with the true finns

also i recently learned lash leroux is a conservative political cartoonist now...

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Posted 27 December 2016 - 08:48 AM

Some of you may be surprised to know that Kevin Nash is an Obama supporter.

 

And I think he voted for Trump.



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Posted 27 December 2016 - 02:00 PM

 

Some of you may be surprised to know that Kevin Nash is an Obama supporter.

 

And I think he voted for Trump.

 

Nash voted for Gary Johnson.



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Posted 27 December 2016 - 03:06 PM

Back on topic, I'm pretty sure Shawn Michaels is a Republican. He also bears an uncanny resemblance to Nazi foreign minister Joachim von Ribbentrop.

 

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I had not seen this before. Chuckling irrepresibly !! :)



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Posted 27 December 2016 - 10:07 PM

Katarina Waters, based on her Facebook page, is a HUGE Bernie Sanders supporter. A democratic socialist.






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