Thoughts on some of the DVDVR matches
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Posted 06 October 2005 - 09:58 AM
Because I posted my thoughts less than a year ago on every supposedly worthwhile Wrestlemania match at SNKT, I really didn't feel like doing it again. However, for a match that was hailed as the best WWF match of the 80s, The Savage-Steamboat affair has held up remarkably well, IMO and the Savage-Hogan match was a Savage carry-job tha was nearly ruined by Hogan's hokey routine.
What does SNKT have to do with that? I know you put reviews there, but feel free to post your thoughts as you're going through the discs, or even now if you remember them.
Posted 06 October 2005 - 10:12 AM
Posted 06 October 2005 - 10:25 AM
Comparing that match, which met every possible expectation set before it, to Savage/Steamboat, which didn't, just seems wrong to me.
Not only did it meet expectations, it far exceeded them. Maybe it didn't meet your expectations because you didn't experience it live or were too young to understand what was going on at the time. That isn't an insult esp. since every Japanese match I watch, I could only rely on a modern perspective and wasn't there. Maybe you did watch it live. However, These two stole the show in the biggest event in wrestling history at the time. Steamboat played his role to perfection. Savage played his. While Steele's interference may be annoying, it was absolutely just desserts for those of us who saw Steele fawn over Elizabeth as Savage abused her time and again.
When I saw this match in 1999, it was the first time I had seen it in 12 years. I was shocked at how much I still liked the match. about every year and a half I have revisited the match and it still holds up. While I am being exposed to new matches and excited over discovering more, I can't really accurately compare them fairly to this match because this match has stood the test of time like few other WWF matches have. The staying power has been amazing.
Posted 06 October 2005 - 10:34 AM
They have to satisfy the kids in the audience that want to see the Hulk up, the big boot and the legdrop. If Hogan isn't Hogan in a match but someone else entirely, then that's going to drag the match down more than anything else. It's not that doing that stuff makes it better, it's that not doing it would make the match worse and all wrong. Maybe you can explain what hokeyness you're specifically talking about.
I think it is Randy Savage's greatest carry job. I think I said as much in my review but the match suffers because of Hogan's participation. I also cannot agree with your assessment that since people expect Hogan to be hokey that it is ok. It may make the crowd cheer, it may be "fun", but it doesn't make the match better.
As for Savage/Steamboat, yes I saw it live and yes it was cool at the time to see Steele stand up for himself. It doesn't change the fact that Savage is the heel and shouldn't lose because of a ref bump and outside interference. I don't like how "danced" and rehearsed this match is, either. Steamboat has said they wrestled this match around the horn 100 times before WM 3, step by step. I have a problem with that, because there are times when improvising a little may have made the match better. Again, that's a weakness on Savage. Savage was not at the level he needed to be here, and it was his idea to do the match step by step anyway.
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