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#21 Tim Evans

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Posted 14 August 2014 - 04:47 PM

Does Seleziya still have to use the #sparx name to get over the border or does the have her visa situation taken care of? I saw her promo on the ROH youtube channel and thought it was good.



#22 Memphis Mark

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Posted 14 August 2014 - 05:10 PM

Does Seleziya still have to use the #sparx name to get over the border or does the have her visa situation taken care of? I saw her promo on the ROH youtube channel and thought it was good.

 I sure Sinclair paid the fee for her work visa. I imagine they wiil pay for Ethan Page and Josh Alexander too. How much can the visa fee be , A few hundred bucks ? Nothing to Sinclair.



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Posted 14 August 2014 - 05:27 PM

Intergender wrestling is just goofy to watch. I don't care about the violence on women aspect because a lot of wrestling is just cartoon violence, but a lot of women just wrestle the wrong way. Imagine if Rey wrestled someone like Edge as an equal in power. Someone who wasn't a super heavyweight, but should definitely not get hit with stuff like vertical suplexes. Plus a lot of women are even lighter than Rey and when they get tossed around, it looks brutal. Then they kick out at 2. 

On the other hand, someone like Kong I have no issue watching toss someone like AJ around.



She might not have the height, but she has the weight and width. Watching someone like Candice LaRae or Daizee Haze wrestle even cruiserweights is awful.  

 I agree .  When Gail Kim came to TNA  , she was the valet for AMW. Of course she interfered in the matches . I recall AJ Styles having to sell her offense. Kim would hit a flying head scissors on AJ.. Styles would fly across the riing like he was shot out of a cannon.

 

 I guess that Gail Kim barely weights over a 100 pounds. She could not move AJ  one inch .   Styles has a low center of gravity and is built like a tank . He is not  moving unless he wants to  move . It was so unbelieveable  , that only hard core fans could turn a blind eye .The whole thing was bad  for the business.  The inter - gender matches only appeal to a few fans. This stuff will drive existing fans away and turn off potential new fans. That  is my take



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Posted 15 August 2014 - 12:18 PM

One of my favorite independent promotions in the country, Empire Wrestling Entertainment, looks to be making a go at more serious content distribution via the web.  I'm not saying the promotion will be for everyone, but the first match they will be releasing to people who sign up for the new (free) EmpireTV site is a four way ladder match that should be a fun spotfest.  Here is the link:

 

http://www.empirewrestling.net/



#25 concrete1992

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Posted 15 August 2014 - 12:50 PM

Leading the southern indie push for more coverage?



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Posted 31 August 2014 - 09:10 AM

 Coming back to the Inter-Gender wrestling topic. Candrice  Larae won her opening round BOLA match . She also teamed with Ryan to defended the tag titles on the first nite. The tag match was a 3 way  with Rich Swann /Ricochet and Bad Influence . Swann had to put her over twice. Yes , Ryan and Larue are the PWG champs. This is the same company books the Young Bucks , Bad Influence and ReDragon

 

Do you think Super Dragon will book her to reach the BOLA finals or win the whole thing ? Apparrently she is super over with the 250 people that attend PWG shows and Super Dragon  seemed to be committed to having her at the top of a all male roster.. It will be interesting to see the results of the finals.



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Posted 31 August 2014 - 09:46 AM

Re: Intergender matches

 

I am a pretty open minded person, but I can't help but feel that the man/woman matches are just sleazy. It just SCREAMS lo-rent indie and is one of the worse carny tricks still in existence. I love PWG, but I NEVER enjoyed Candice LaRae being pimp slapped or doing all the crazy shit she does with Joey Ryan as part of her tag team with her. It usually takes me a few minutes (and Candice being slapped around a couple of times) for me to 'settle' into one of their matches. I don't watch a lot of intergender matches (and have no desire to), but from the little I've seen from Jenny Rose, Mia Yim, LuFisto, etc. I have to say Candice is the most realistic performance and the most 'fun', if that word can even be used.



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Posted 27 September 2014 - 01:46 PM

Might as well give this thread a boost since indie wrestling seems to be a big issue. SO QUESTION TIME!

 

Is Evolve going to China being incredibly downplayed? When is the last time an indie company went to an Asian market? Would that be ROH? China from the sounds of it is a very hard market to crack into for wrestling. And from the sounds of it they could be in front of their largest crowds to date by a pretty big margin. 



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Posted 27 September 2014 - 01:59 PM

I have every intention on watching some Thatcher in the next couple of weeks. There's just a lot on my plate. 



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Posted 27 September 2014 - 02:05 PM

Might as well give this thread a boost since indie wrestling seems to be a big issue. SO QUESTION TIME!

 

Is Evolve going to China being incredibly downplayed? When is the last time an indie company went to an Asian market? Would that be ROH? China from the sounds of it is a very hard market to crack into for wrestling. And from the sounds of it they could be in front of their largest crowds to date by a pretty big margin. 

 

 

It's certainly an interesting move by Gabe and co. I can see it working out terrifically for them, but at the same time I wonder if it will yield long lasting results from a country that I don't believe has ever shown a sustained interest in pro wrestling.

 

 

I have every intention on watching some Thatcher in the next couple of weeks. There's just a lot on my plate. 

 

I think you'll dig him, hopefully, but I'm not sure.



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Posted 27 September 2014 - 02:14 PM

Has their been a promotion that has tried to run semi-consistent wrestling in China?



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Posted 27 September 2014 - 02:26 PM

None that I can think of off the top of my head. I think there was a fed called Beijing Pro Wrestling that was around for a bit, but none have stayed in business for very long.



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Posted 27 September 2014 - 02:32 PM

Speaking of EVOLVE, they're not something I follow but I read this in the Observer:

 

We’ve heard lots of good reports on Evolve over the weekend. Gabe Sapolsky has changed the format of the shows to straight matches, all singles matches, no intermission, with an emphasis on less high spots and more technical wrestling. He’s eliminating multiple person filler matches thinking that the three-and-four-way matches can get people to pop for them but everyone forgets about them five minutes after they are over. The philosophy is to vary times, have some matches build to a finish and others end with no build, just to show the end can come at any time. The idea is to keep the shows between two hours and 15 minute and two hours and 30 minutes. The heavy technical style is going to be built around Timothy Thatcher, Drew Gulak, Biff Busick and Zack Sabre Jr. as the leaders of the new style.

 

Sounds good to me.



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Posted 27 September 2014 - 02:37 PM

I don't think that is 100% on the nose with the "all singles matches" point but it has become pretty evident throughout the year that Gabe is approaching EVOLVE a little differently right now. Trying to imagine how a Thatcher vs Busick match in China comes off to that crowd since I have NO idea if they have this big interest in combat sports or anything. 



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Posted 27 September 2014 - 02:40 PM

Speaking of EVOLVE, they're not something I follow but I read this in the Observer:
 

We’ve heard lots of good reports on Evolve over the weekend. Gabe Sapolsky has changed the format of the shows to straight matches, all singles matches, no intermission, with an emphasis on less high spots and more technical wrestling. He’s eliminating multiple person filler matches thinking that the three-and-four-way matches can get people to pop for them but everyone forgets about them five minutes after they are over. The philosophy is to vary times, have some matches build to a finish and others end with no build, just to show the end can come at any time. The idea is to keep the shows between two hours and 15 minute and two hours and 30 minutes. The heavy technical style is going to be built around Timothy Thatcher, Drew Gulak, Biff Busick and Zack Sabre Jr. as the leaders of the new style.

 
Sounds good to me.
That seems like something I want in on!

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Posted 27 September 2014 - 02:42 PM

I do think China is fairly high on MMA, or at least there's a fringe element there that is. I haven't followed the Asian MMA scene for some time though, I could be way off.

 

 

Speaking of EVOLVE, they're not something I follow but I read this in the Observer:

 

We’ve heard lots of good reports on Evolve over the weekend. Gabe Sapolsky has changed the format of the shows to straight matches, all singles matches, no intermission, with an emphasis on less high spots and more technical wrestling. He’s eliminating multiple person filler matches thinking that the three-and-four-way matches can get people to pop for them but everyone forgets about them five minutes after they are over. The philosophy is to vary times, have some matches build to a finish and others end with no build, just to show the end can come at any time. The idea is to keep the shows between two hours and 15 minute and two hours and 30 minutes. The heavy technical style is going to be built around Timothy Thatcher, Drew Gulak, Biff Busick and Zack Sabre Jr. as the leaders of the new style.

 

Sounds good to me.

 

I can't wait to dig into EVOLVE after the latest reboot. I have my reservations because it seems like Gabe always manages to mess up EVOLVE. But, a promotion that is centered around the work of Thatcher, Busick, Gulak, and Sabre can only be a top notch promotion.



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Posted 27 September 2014 - 02:58 PM

I can't wait to dig into EVOLVE after the latest reboot. I have my reservations because it seems like Gabe always manages to mess up EVOLVE. But, a promotion that is centered around the work of Thatcher, Busick, Gulak, and Sabre can only be a top notch promotion.

 

I enjoyed the last two shows.  Zack Sabre, Jr. vs. Timothy Thatcher from the Friday night show was very good.  I don't think Sabre, Jr. has looked outright bad at any point this year but he has been a bit hit or miss.  Some of his matches are "just there" (most of his wXw stuff from this year for example) but when he is on he might be my favorite indie guy to watch.  He was on in this match and was just excellent.

 

Ricochet/Uhaa Nation was fine.  I didn't like their Dragon Gate match from March as much as some but also thought that was fine.  I thought that from a structural standpoint it wasn't as cohesive as it could have been but there were several strong parts of the match and they stayed away from the overkill.  Ricochet has been at somewhat of a standstill these past few months, but I still think he is on the doorstep of being really, really good once he figures out how to best structure his matches in a way where his agility spots feel a tad less forced.



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Posted 27 September 2014 - 03:05 PM

It will be interesting to see how EVOLVE will be compared to the worked shoot AMBITION project by wXw, which will have a show next week with Gulak vs Sabre. A "straight" wrestling product can have many stylistically differences so it will be interesting to see how such matches might differ and see what type will be more popular on dvd & for live attendees.



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Posted 27 September 2014 - 03:34 PM

 

I can't wait to dig into EVOLVE after the latest reboot. I have my reservations because it seems like Gabe always manages to mess up EVOLVE. But, a promotion that is centered around the work of Thatcher, Busick, Gulak, and Sabre can only be a top notch promotion.

 

I enjoyed the last two shows.  Zack Sabre, Jr. vs. Timothy Thatcher from the Friday night show was very good.  I don't think Sabre, Jr. has looked outright bad at any point this year but he has been a bit hit or miss.  Some of his matches are "just there" (most of his wXw stuff from this year for example) but when he is on he might be my favorite indie guy to watch.  He was on in this match and was just excellent.

 

 

I was actually going to ask about Sabre, because the few hyped matches I've seen from him didn't really click for me, though I recall him at least having some interesting offense. What would you say he's best at? 



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Posted 27 September 2014 - 03:39 PM

Has their been a promotion that has tried to run semi-consistent wrestling in China?

Nope. There's a whole bunch of hurdles involving the government that would need to be cleared along with visa's and China doesn't have much of a pro wrestling background.






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