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#41 concrete1992

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Posted 28 September 2014 - 10:57 AM

Be real interesting to see how it works out for them. They are going to be announcing what it'll be looking like production wise it seems. Sorta hoping they start phasing out the DRAGON GATE out of EVOLVE. I like Rich Swann and some others but don't need 17+ minute main events from them showing they can FLY! 



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Posted 28 September 2014 - 12:08 PM

 

 

I can't wait to dig into EVOLVE after the latest reboot. I have my reservations because it seems like Gabe always manages to mess up EVOLVE. But, a promotion that is centered around the work of Thatcher, Busick, Gulak, and Sabre can only be a top notch promotion.

 

I enjoyed the last two shows.  Zack Sabre, Jr. vs. Timothy Thatcher from the Friday night show was very good.  I don't think Sabre, Jr. has looked outright bad at any point this year but he has been a bit hit or miss.  Some of his matches are "just there" (most of his wXw stuff from this year for example) but when he is on he might be my favorite indie guy to watch.  He was on in this match and was just excellent.

 

 

I was actually going to ask about Sabre, because the few hyped matches I've seen from him didn't really click for me, though I recall him at least having some interesting offense. What would you say he's best at? 

 

 

He is definitely an offensive-minded wrestler, which is apparent in both his good matches and not-so-good matches.  I think he is at his best when he finds a happy medium between his arm bar centric offense and his British wrestling influenced offense (cat-and-mouse spots, counters, pinning combos).  He has a lot of fun offense and when he brings it altogether, his matches tend to click.  I think he is a bit like 2003 – 2006 Bryan Danielson in terms of having a lot of fine offense but still trying to figure out how to best put it all together.

 

I think he gets in to trouble when he works entire matches around arm bar variations or when he tries to wrestle more of a Japanese junior heavyweight style with a bigger focus on striking and big near falls.   Those are the matches that tend not to click for me.  He has fun and varied arm-based offense, but his matches that are built entirely around that become a little too one dimensional and a little too cute for their own good.  He is not a good striker nor does he have the high impact offense to work a near fall heavy match, so he can falter a bit when he goes in that direction as well.

 

I’d check out the Thatcher EVOLVE match and the 05/03 GHC Jr. tag title defense with Ogawa vs. Hiro Tonai & Shiori Asahi for two different but very good Sabre, Jr. performances from 2014.



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Posted 28 September 2014 - 12:26 PM

Watching EVOLVE 35 right now, dear god the commentary is just awful. Barely calling the matches, practically acknowledging it's a work with how much they talk about guys being "entertaining"... it really detracts from the action.



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Posted 29 September 2014 - 05:28 PM

Howard Brody's book covers what it is like to run China. 10 day trip, 3 Wrestling shows and endless meetings, handshaking and socialising.

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Posted 01 October 2014 - 12:49 AM

RE: China - There's one known promotion in China that was originally known as the Hong Kong Wrestling Federation. It started in 2009 and in 2012 got bought by ZERO1. Has produced a couple of okay guys like Jason Lee and HoHo Lun. Nothing blowaway but some good hands who don't embarrass themselves in the ring. (But It's ZERO1 so you know it isn't exactly making money hand over fist.)



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Posted 01 October 2014 - 01:07 AM

According to wiki, ZERO1 also opened a branch in Belarus, which fascinates me. This is a weird M.O. to follow. 



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Posted 01 October 2014 - 01:08 AM

According to wiki, ZERO1 also opened a branch in Belarus, which fascinates me. This is a weird M.O. to follow. 

 

Don't forget the tiny midwest indies that pay for the right to use the red hot ZERO1 name!



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Posted 01 October 2014 - 01:14 AM

I'd give that a shot before a "Wrestling is" show, in fairness. 



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Posted 01 October 2014 - 02:12 AM

I hope to god the "THIS IS WRESTLING" chant never makes it to WWE crowds.



#50 Jimmy Redman

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Posted 01 October 2014 - 02:31 AM

It already has I'm sure.

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Posted 01 October 2014 - 08:03 AM

ROH alumni Lacey appearing on the China EVOLVE shows is a turn up for the books. She is in China anyway as she is study towards a PhD in acupuncture and traditional Chinese medicine there.

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Posted 01 October 2014 - 08:22 AM

I like to imagine a world where the American Z1 promotion(s?) are any good.Cause that'd be a day.



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Posted 01 October 2014 - 10:26 AM

I like to imagine a world where the American Z1 promotion(s?) are any good.Cause that'd be a day.

 

I just laugh & laugh at the idea of paying to use that worthless name on your shows, but then again, I used to laugh at promoters who paid to use the NWA name until I found out how shockingly low the fee was. Like, insignificantly low.

 

The part of the deal that puts you on the hook with the NWA, is that you are required to book the world title twice per year, and the other titles (National, North American, Junior, Tag, Women's) once each (I think there is a penalty for not meeting this requirement). That's why the new regime put an emphasis on champions who are able to travel, and also why the workers are motivated to move up and get booked to win titles, because obviously it means more bookings in places where they would not normally ever be booked. Look at a guy like Chase Owens. I'm not sure he ever gets booked in Texas like he did in 2013 if not for that set up (and Kinkaid got to come with him as his opponent). And it's a great deal for Rob Conway or whoever holds the World title, because you are locked in to tons of bookings everywhere.



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Posted 01 October 2014 - 10:30 AM

There was a ZERO-ONE Mexico that lasted for one show a couple of years back



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Posted 01 October 2014 - 04:55 PM

If I had to pick one or two shows to get the best Gulak/Thatcher/Busick match what would it be? To Infinity?

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Posted 02 October 2014 - 02:13 PM

If I had to pick one or two shows to get the best Gulak/Thatcher/Busick match what would it be? To Infinity?


FIP Everything Burns (Thatcher/Gulak) and CZW To Infinity (Gulak/Busick) also check out the Thatcher/Busick match from Beyond which is on YouTube for free.

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Posted 06 October 2014 - 10:41 AM

I've been watching some SDW (Steel Domain Wrestling) for free on their website. I've really liked Ariya Daivari (younger brother of the more well known one), he's a solid performer and really knows how to get the crowd riled up.



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Posted 06 October 2014 - 06:40 PM

So, sup with Mike Elgin?

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Posted 20 October 2014 - 10:50 AM

So, sup with Mike Elgin?


It seems like he's having a public meltdown but it could be work.

On a sidenote, I just read the ROH press release about running Terminal 5 for their Final Battle PPV. I was wondering if the Hammerstein Ballroom was booked already that night or was the building rental fee too expensive for ROH to run there.

I know somebody that has gone to Terminal 5 for concerts and says that it's smaller than the Hammerstein.

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Posted 20 October 2014 - 11:06 AM

 

So, sup with Mike Elgin?


It seems like he's having a public meltdown but it could be work.

On a sidenote, I just read the ROH press release about running Terminal 5 for their Final Battle PPV. I was wondering if the Hammerstein Ballroom was booked already that night or was the building rental fee too expensive for ROH to run there.

I know somebody that has gone to Terminal 5 for concerts and says that it's smaller than the Hammerstein.

 

 

The former.  According to the WON, the Manhattan Center raised its rental fees for both ballrooms sometime around the first TNA TV taping there.  The higher fees pushed ROH to look elsewhere for their NY shows and they are trying out Terminal 5 which Meltzer says will hold about 900 compared to 1,800 for a sellout at the Hammerstein.  






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