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#21 dawho5

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Posted 14 September 2014 - 09:59 PM

I tried to not hit the ones everyone already knew about.  I figured those would be pretty heavily pimped already.



#22 JerryvonKramer

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Posted 30 September 2014 - 01:16 PM

We've been talking about versatility recently, especially as regards Jumbo.

What do people think about Stan Hansen's range as a wrestler? Was he, like Vader, always kinda the same?

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Posted 30 September 2014 - 01:21 PM

Obviously he's a brawler but I always thought he looked very comfortable on the mat in the Inoki matches. I know they aren't everyone's cup of tea but I also really dig the Misawa matches which are more sporting, if that makes sense. There's still striking but they feel more competitive and less hate-filled. The 1984 Baba series is similar.

 

Hansen is also really good working underneath in the rare matches where he was called upon to do so. He's an awesome underdog against Andre and I remember an All Japan tag where he gets mugged at the beginning and ends up working as a babyface.



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Posted 30 September 2014 - 01:22 PM

No way, I think Hansen's range is very underrated. I think sometimes being diverse in matches for wrestlers means he was in a great technical match here and a blood brawl there. Hansen vs. Backlund in Japan was worked with a lot of holds, his match vs. Andre was as good as a spectacle match as you can have, and we already know he can have crazy brawls. Beyond that though, Hansen had a knack of having really engaging storylines and sell jobs throughout his matches. I have watched  a lot of 90's wrestling at this point and the 4/18/91 tag and the Carny 94 match vs. Taue still stick out because of how Hansen sold damage on one of his body parts. That is a big plus for me in regards to Stan.



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Posted 30 September 2014 - 01:35 PM

I actually think Hansen was more versatile than Jumbo in some respects. I may come back to that point later.

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Posted 30 September 2014 - 01:50 PM

We've been talking about versatility recently, especially as regards Jumbo.

What do people think about Stan Hansen's range as a wrestler? Was he, like Vader, always kinda the same?

 

I actually started a response to Loss's "what skillsets and experiences do you value" post but it was late and I kept jumping around. I was going to bring up Hansen, Vader, and Volk Han in that post.

 

I will say I think Stan Hansen is a more versatile wrestler than you might expect. People look at him and think "brawler" but he did so much within that style. The Backlund matches don't look like the Baba matches which don't look like the Funk matches which don't look like Colon matches which don't look like the Tenryu matches etc. I'm not going to say the Inoki matches were great mat wrestling classics, I did not like them. But I think as a brawler, Hansen showed really tremendous range. He could have wild crazy brawls all over the arena, monster spectacles, etc. But when the change in style came to All Japan, Hansen was more than able to keep up the pace inspite of the fact that he was making the push to his mid 40s.

 

I wouldn't vote for Hansen #1 if not for the early 90s All Japan stuff. I think thats where you really see his range especially if you're familiar with his 80s work.



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Posted 30 September 2014 - 01:51 PM

I know where Dylan's going with his point and I'm going to agree with him ahead of time. You did see Jumbo in a lot of different situations, but he basically worked Jumbo most of the time. Hansen had subtle differences against whoever he wrestled, doing different things with Misawa than he would with Kawada or Kobashi. Not to mention his style was fantastic against guys like Andre, Funk and Baba. Dylan will expand on that, but Hansen did have different things he tried to do based on his opponents.



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Posted 30 September 2014 - 04:55 PM

Hansen has a great shot at being my #1, though I don't have much to add that hasn't already been said. When push comes to shove, Hansen's ability in intense brawls, my favorite type of match by far, might just give him the edge when it comes down to splitting hairs and sorting out the very top. 



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Posted 30 September 2014 - 05:07 PM

Hansen's range is incredibly underrated.

 

His series vs. Kobashi is great for how much he is willing to give Kobashi (think 7/29/93 and the 94 CC match) for large portions of the match.

 

Speaking of the 94 Champion Carnival, watch the Kobashi, Taue and Williams matches in order to see a guy who is usually working monster gaijin do this incredible job of working from underneath because of the injured ribs.

 

His 2/28/93 match with Kawada was possibly the best back and forth pure brawl I've ever seen not involving some kind of hate-filled feud.  And during this match Hansen does the best sell of the stretch plum EVER.

 

The Misawa matches are great for a few reasons.  For one, in the 93 match, Hansen does this incredible reversal and works on the injured arm of Misawa (which also plays well off of being KOed by an elbow in a previous match) only to lose to a rolling elbow.  It's like this complete turnaround of the way the natives used to work over Hansen's arm in the late 80s and Hansen would lariat them for the win anyway.  The elbow almost-KO shot nearfall was a nice touch too.  I think Hansen cemented Misawa as the ace just as much as Jumbo did in 92-93. 

 

The 99 RWTL is Hansen as one of the most over sympathetic babyfaces ever.  It was meant to be his last run and the Taue/Hansen team is faced with Burning in the finals.  Really incredible heat for this match and another completely different performance from Hansen.

 

Hansen is one of the guys who is responsible for putting over the major players of 90s AJPW.  What was really great for me is he treated each of them differently as far as how he wrestled them and what he gave them.  I forget which matches, but there are a few where he has Misawa-style long comebacks with short bursts of brawling offense to stay in it while weathering the storm as well.



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Posted 01 October 2014 - 08:31 AM

I picked several Hansen matches out of the above lists to watch.

 

Stan Hansen vs Andre The Giant 9/23/81

 

I loved this. The sense of urgency for Hansen through out the match is great. The intensity is there and then some. Loved seeing Andre actually moving and BUMPNG HIS BIG ASS OFF. He was very. very good in this. Loved that he was headbutting Hansen's arm and selling the shit out of it. Overall, this was a great match.

 

 

Terry Funk vs Stan Hansen 4/14/83

 

Wow. This felt almost similar to that Dump/Chigusa match from '85 in the Joshi thread. But this was better. What a great way to get Hansen over as an unstoppable ass kicking machine and let Terry take in all the sympathy that the crowd has to offer. Dory running in to defend his brother was awesome. This is good stuff.

 

 

Carlos Colon vs Stan Hansen '86

 

I guess this was fine. I will say Hansen was a whole lot better than Colon. Got a laugh out of me when Hansen had pretty much dominated for the first 6 minutes and once Colon regained offense, Hansen starts begging for mercy. I though Colon's strikes were garbage, too. The match was just okay, imo. Really good performance from Hansen, though.

 

 

Stan Hansen vs Toshiaki Kawada 6/4/92

 

Amazing match. Great performance from Hansen, but man, I am loving Kawada in the 2 matches I've seen of his in the past 3 days. I was into every near fall and I was actually pissed when Hansen won. Superb match.  Now I wanna go watch some Kawada.



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Posted 01 October 2014 - 08:36 AM

I think Hansen plays exasperated/slightly vulnerable heel champ quite well in his match vs Bock from the AWA set. That's not a role you usually think of him in, no?



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Posted 01 October 2014 - 09:13 AM

Blown away by the lack of ove for Colon v. Hanson. I'd rather watch that then 99% of 90s AJPW

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Posted 01 October 2014 - 10:25 AM

I still don't think most people have seen them Dylan. But I'm right there with you in thinking it's one of the feuds of the decade and that the bullrope and cage matches are MOTD-level. It's a big part of Stan's No. 1 case for me, because he showed different shades than he did most other places.



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Posted 01 October 2014 - 10:29 AM

Blown away by the lack of ove for Colon v. Hanson. I'd rather watch that then 99% of 90s AJPW

I'm with you 100% on that. Those matches blew me away in a way that 90s AJPW never has. They're big pluses in the candidacy for Hansen and Colon and the only complaint I have is the ending of the cage match being anti-climactic. 



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Posted 01 October 2014 - 11:22 AM

I've just watched one of the Hansen/Colon matches (from '86, goes ten-minutes). For being so short, it's a hell of a match, with Hansen maintaining control from the bell, gradually building to the comeback, and then when Carlos gets control back he immediately fires off a bunch of payback spots before a weapon-assisted lariat knocks him out. That said, seeing the first lariat used so flippantly was bizarre (and I think you're clutching at straws to argue "well it highlighted the interference and weapon later"), Hansen begging off felt forced in a "this is how you bump the comeback" sort of way, and, of course, Carlos is guilty of selling only his fire when he makes said comeback (granted, what babyface will we not be penalising for that?). It's a terrific small slice of how great Hansen was though, absolutely. 



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Posted 01 October 2014 - 11:48 AM

I'm pretty psyched to eventually start digging into Puerto Rico, especially the Hansen stuff.



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Posted 01 October 2014 - 11:50 AM

The more Hansen I watch and rewatch, the more I think he's my favorite offensive wrestler ever. No, he doesn't have the varied arsenal of Kobashi or Misawa, but he's not a simple punch-kick brawler. More importantly, everything he does looks so damn good. His elbows and knee drops look like they're going to bust you up. The lariat has legendary status for good reason. It looks brutal and believable. 



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Posted 01 October 2014 - 12:26 PM

Hansen's range is incredibly underrated.

 

His series vs. Kobashi is great for how much he is willing to give Kobashi (think 7/29/93 and the 94 CC match) for large portions of the match.

 

Speaking of the 94 Champion Carnival, watch the Kobashi, Taue and Williams matches in order to see a guy who is usually working monster gaijin do this incredible job of working from underneath because of the injured ribs.

 

His 2/28/93 match with Kawada was possibly the best back and forth pure brawl I've ever seen not involving some kind of hate-filled feud.  And during this match Hansen does the best sell of the stretch plum EVER.

 

The Misawa matches are great for a few reasons.  For one, in the 93 match, Hansen does this incredible reversal and works on the injured arm of Misawa (which also plays well off of being KOed by an elbow in a previous match) only to lose to a rolling elbow.  It's like this complete turnaround of the way the natives used to work over Hansen's arm in the late 80s and Hansen would lariat them for the win anyway.  The elbow almost-KO shot nearfall was a nice touch too.  I think Hansen cemented Misawa as the ace just as much as Jumbo did in 92-93. 

 

The 99 RWTL is Hansen as one of the most over sympathetic babyfaces ever.  It was meant to be his last run and the Taue/Hansen team is faced with Burning in the finals.  Really incredible heat for this match and another completely different performance from Hansen.

 

Hansen is one of the guys who is responsible for putting over the major players of 90s AJPW.  What was really great for me is he treated each of them differently as far as how he wrestled them and what he gave them.  I forget which matches, but there are a few where he has Misawa-style long comebacks with short bursts of brawling offense to stay in it while weathering the storm as well.

Have you any more late 90s recommendations? I remember hearing somewhere that summer 96 v Kobashi was his last great match.....



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Posted 01 October 2014 - 12:38 PM

Really enjoyed the two matches that I have seen so far vs. Colon, as before hand I'd only really been exposed to his 90's AJPW run. Definitely someone I need to dedicate a lot more time too.



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Posted 01 October 2014 - 12:47 PM

I want to thank Dylan for pimping the PR stuff. The Colon feud is one of the best feuds I have seen. If his All-Japan stuff is as good as this, and I am going to delve into it shortly, then he would be No. 1 in my book. 






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