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#21 ohtani's jacket

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Posted 20 March 2016 - 02:54 AM

Kandori shot on Sato because of the heat between them. To me, the most interesting thing about Kandori is that all anybody really knew about her back in the day involved the work shoot elements of the Hokuto feud. In that feud she pays a fairly stoic role, but when I was checking out the Fujiwara directs a porn stuff on youtube I saw a lot of her appearances on comedy shows in the early 90s and she was really charismatic and outgoing. So I think there's a lot more to her general character than meets the eye. I don't know if I agree that Kandori's best matches are suddenly the best matches that any of those girls ever had, but it's an interesting take on things.  



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Posted 08 October 2016 - 11:40 AM

Weird bump, but the Hotta double title match on 3/21/98 is this incredibly violent PWFG-style match with Hotta doing what Hotta normally does (and even going with a fucking shoot headbutt like a crazy person), but Kandori putting on a selling clinic. It's not even remotely everybody's cup of tea, but it's up there with some of my favorite sprints ever and to get that type of match out of Hotta is pretty nuts. The rematch where Hotta won the belt back a year later doesn't even touch this.



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Posted 10 October 2016 - 08:20 AM

The only wrestler you could ever call a combination of Lesnar and Onita.



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Posted 24 December 2016 - 11:47 AM

I just watched Kandori vs Sato and thought it was quite good. Anyone have the details for that (Date, place, show?). If nothing else it showed one of the things I love about Kandori. She is so intense and deliberate in her movements, even when she is just walking around.

 

Also, anyone have that Hotta match from 3/21/98 or know where I can find it. I found an earlier one that I will watch later, but didn't have luck tracking down that 98 match.

 

Kandori is pretty easily my favorite female wrestler ever. Admittedly, I am still relatively new to Joshi as a whole and only have a working knowledge of it, so there is a ton I haven't seen yet.  Right now though, she is more or less a head above everyone to me. I love Aja and Hokuto and Dynamite and lots of others, but no one has the diverse skillset Kandori has. She can bring as much ass kicker to the ring as Kong and can sell and be as sympathetic as just about anyone if she wants. She is believable but still an entertainer. More than anything I think her ability to turn on the intensity in a comeback or a control sequence to bring a new dynamic and wrinkle to the match is second to none.  I always find I like her matches more than most, especially her high end stuff. I think I have her with 4 or 5 five-star matches and I feel good about it.  If nothing else I would argue she brings things to matches (particularly high end matches) that no one else could bring that elevate those matches.   I could probably put her top 10 matches against anyone, but I could definitely put her top 10 individual performances (which would roughly align with those matches) against just about anyone I think.



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Posted 24 December 2016 - 03:34 PM

The first real American Kandori superfan speaking in. Really love Kandori. How could you not love a legit badass who knew how to bring the hate and the stiffness? She's pretty much what I wish all wrestlers could be.

 

Never got a rep online because no one watched LLPW unfortunately and it wasn't very easy to get. I actually helped Mike Lorefice at www.quebrada.net track down some LLPW from a Japanese store online from the 90's that no one else had. LLPW tapes suck though as they are always clipped.

 

Really underrated wrestler and she could have easily took up Hotta's role in AJW and did a better job with it. Wish she would have had the roster to work with too and I'm really sad AJW missed out on the obvious Kandori/Kong match.

 

Love her Big Egg tag match against Yamada, love her match vs Toyota, the Hokuto match and from 11/9/93 - Bull Nakano & Takako Inoue vs. Shinobu Kandori & Utako Hozumi.

 

I marked out so hard when I met her in person and seeing LLPW live was a personal highlight.



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Posted 09 January 2017 - 02:42 PM

I read somewhere recently and have always seen passing comments that suggests that Joshi fans or maybe even fans more broadly are or were at one time really down on Kandori. Has there been an active disdain for her? Can someone explain this if it is a real thing or point me to some place to read up on it?



#27 elliott

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Posted 09 January 2017 - 10:24 PM

I don't think there was "active disdain" for her necessarily, but she was not particularly highly thought of compared to her peers. I feel like most Joshi fans would have called her average, very few, if anybody, would have called her great and nobody would have called her there favorite wrestler. If you took a poll in 2001 among Joshi fans of "best Joshi wrestler ever" she would struggle to make the top 25. I would actually say part of the "legend" of the Hokuto match for Joshi fans in the late 90s/early 2000s was that "it was amazing that Hokuto had a match that great with someone as average as Kandori."

 

I think it has more to do with ignorance creating a narrative that never got lifted. She didn't work the Go go go style Joshi was known for so that is working against her already. Combine that with how expensive tapes were at the time and you kind of convince yourself she's not worth watching. You'd see the chain match against Bull on a Schneider Comp and think "great carry job by Bull" and go back to skipping past the LLPW tape listings.

 

So not really active disdain. More of an "average" rep and if you were average, you weren't getting watched at 20 bucks a tape.

 

Obviously she was a great wrestler.



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Posted 10 January 2017 - 06:52 AM

I don't think there was "active disdain" for her necessarily, but she was not particularly highly thought of compared to her peers. I feel like most Joshi fans would have called her average, very few, if anybody, would have called her great and nobody would have called her there favorite wrestler. If you took a poll in 2001 among Joshi fans of "best Joshi wrestler ever" she would struggle to make the top 25. I would actually say part of the "legend" of the Hokuto match for Joshi fans in the late 90s/early 2000s was that "it was amazing that Hokuto had a match that great with someone as average as Kandori."

 

I think it has more to do with ignorance creating a narrative that never got lifted. She didn't work the Go go go style Joshi was known for so that is working against her already. Combine that with how expensive tapes were at the time and you kind of convince yourself she's not worth watching. You'd see the chain match against Bull on a Schneider Comp and think "great carry job by Bull" and go back to skipping past the LLPW tape listings.

 

So not really active disdain. More of an "average" rep and if you were average, you weren't getting watched at 20 bucks a tape.

 

Obviously she was a great wrestler.

Ahh... got it.

 

Thanks a ton.



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Posted 10 January 2017 - 08:20 AM

The best place to search for older views on Joshi Puroresu is Mike Lorefice's site.

 

On Hokuto vs. Kandori:

 

"Must see. Arguably the best women's singles match ever and the best example of a wrestler making a match an all-time classic on their own."

 

"No female was ever better than the 1993 version of Hokuto, and you could make a strong case that no male was either. She was the real total package – psychology, selling, drama, intensity, ability to elevate any opponent, work, charisma, etc. She could have found a way to have an excellent match with Kandori, who rarely if ever had excellent matches, because Hokuto was just that good at this time."

 

"Kandori deserves credit for her selling as well. With Kandori, everything comes down to her respect for her opponent. If you are a nobody, you’ll be treated as such, but if you are also a star she’ll find ways to put you over. She might not necessarily sell often, but her selling instills into the audience the feeling of an accomplishment on her opponent’s part. Kandori isn’t the world’s greatest actor, but she always remembered to stay down long enough, and didn’t pull that sudden rejuvenation stemming from the opportunity to do a move crap we get from Super Koji and friends."

 

"This allowed Kandori to be on offense most of the match, which she believes is her divine right anyway."

 

And that's just one match. 



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Posted 10 January 2017 - 12:46 PM

Interesting. Thanks for the heads up. 



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Posted 15 January 2017 - 12:40 AM

Yeah, the talking point on Kandori always was that she was tough to work with, didn't work as hard as the other person in the match, etc. Couldn't have been further from the truth.



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Posted 15 January 2017 - 08:40 AM

Where there's smoke there's fire. She was tough to work with and wasn't the most popular woman within Joshi puroresu.






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