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#41 Grimmas

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Posted 07 October 2015 - 07:58 PM

I love that Charles has Bret-Austin from Survivor Series at 5 stars. I still think it's easily the best WWF match of the 90s.

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Posted 08 October 2015 - 05:07 PM

My list of 5-star matches is really short:

 

Malenko vs Guerrero, 4/15/95 (am afraid to rewatch - might drop quite a bit)

Kobashi vs Williams, 8/31/93

Flair vs Steamboat, 4/2/89

Flair vs Steamboat, 5/7/89

Misawa/Kobashi vs Kawada/Taue, 6/9/95

Kobashi vs Kawada, 10/18/96

Kobashi vs Misawa, 10/31/98

Kobashi vs Misawa, 6/11/99



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Posted 09 October 2015 - 04:47 AM

I've cleaned up the YT playlist and added a few more matches from peoples suggestions that I could find.



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Posted 09 October 2015 - 07:17 AM

I've cleaned up the YT playlist and added a few more matches from peoples suggestions that I could find.

 

TYB, I've used that list to check out a few matches and add them to my personal collection. :)



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Posted 09 October 2015 - 09:53 AM

Murdoch/Windham 7/11/87, Duggan/Sawyer 11/11/85, and Murdoch/Reed 9/28/85 from the Mid-South set are all in this range for me. The DiBiase/Flair saga is a near-perfect wrestling TV episode, but not necessarily a 4.75 to 5 match.



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Posted 15 October 2015 - 09:28 PM

This will be an evolving post...

***** Matches

Ricky Steamboat vs Randy Savage--WrestleMania III
Ricky Steamboat vs Ric Flair--Clash VI
Ricky Steamboat vs Ric Flair--Wrestle War '89
Ricky Steamboat vs Ric Flair--Chi-Town Rumble '89
Barry Windham vs Ric Flair 1/20/87 (Worldwide)
Mitsuharu Misawa vs Toshiaki Kawada--AJPW 6/3/94
Mitsuharu Misawa/Kenta Kobashi vs Toshiaki Kawada/Akira Taue--AJPW 6/9/95
Jumbo Tsuruta, Akira Taue & Masa Fuchi vs Mitsuharu Misawa & Toshiaki Kawada & Kenta Kobashi--AJPW 4/20/91
Mitsuharu Misawa vs Kenta Kobashi--AJPW 1/20/97
War Games 1 7/4/87
War Games--Wrestle War 1991
War Games--Wrestle War 1992
Mitsuharu Misawa/Jun Akiyama vs Toshiaki Kawada/Akira Taue--AJPW RWTL Finals 12/6/96
Bryan Danielson vs Takeshi Morishima--ROH Final Battle 2008
Bryan Danielson vs Nigel McGuinness--ROH Unified
Bret Hart vs Steve Austin--WrestleMania 13
Hardys vs Edge/Christian vs Dudleys--WrestleMania 17
Bret Hart vs Owen Hart--Summer Slam 1994
Shawn Michaels vs Razor Ramon--WrestleMania X
Shawn Michaels vs Undertaker--Bad Blood 1997 (HIAC)
CM Punk vs Samoa Joe II--ROH Joe vs Punk 2
Samoa Joe vs Kenta Kobashi--ROH 10/1/2005
Ricky Steamboat/Dustin Rhodes vs Enforcers--Clash 17
Ric Flair vs Terry Funk--Bash '89
Ric Flair vs Terry Funk--Clash IX
Royal Rumble match 1992
Justin Liger vs El Samurai--NJPW BOSJ 1992
Mitsuharu Misawa/Kenta Kobashi vs Toshiaki Kawada/Akira Taue-- AJPW 5/21/94
Hiroshi Tanahashi vs Kazuchika Okada--NJPW 4/13 Invasion Attack
Samoa Joe vs AJ Styles vs Christopher Daniels --Unbreakable 2005
Vader vs Sting--GAB 1992
John Cena vs CM Punk--MITB 2011
CM Punk vs Daniel Bryan--Over the Limit 2012
Kurt Angle vs Shawn Michaels--WrestleMania 21
Rey Mysterio Jr. vs Eddie Guerrero--Halloween Havoc 1997
Mitsuharu Misawa vs Kenta Kobashi--AJPW 10/31/98
HHH vs Cactus Jack--Rumble 2000
Magnum T.A. vs Tully Blanchard -- Starrcade 85
John Cena vs Daniel Bryan--WWE SummerSlam 2013
Toshiaki Kawada/Akira Taue vs Mitsuharu Misawa/Kenta Kobashi--AJPW RWTL 12/3/93
Jumbo Tsuruta vs Genichiro Tenryu--AJPW 6/5/89
Kenta Kobashi and Tsuyoshi Kikuchi vs. Doug Furnas and Dan Krofatt--AJPW 5/25/92
Jumbo Tsuruta/Genichiro Tenryu vs Riki Choshu/Yoshiaki Yatsu--AJPW 1/28/86
Bret Hart vs Owen Hart--3/20/94--WrestleMania X
Shawn Michaels vs Undertaker--WrestleMania 25
The Great Muta vs Hiroshi Hase--12/14/92
Manami Toyota/Toshiyo Yamada vs Dynamite Kansai/Mayumi Ozaki 2/3 Falls--4/11/93
Manami Toyota vs. Toshiyo Yamada--8/15/92
Stan Hansen vs Kenta Kobashi--7/29/93
Manami Toyota/Toshiyo Yamada vs Dynamite Kansai/Mayumi Ozaki--12/6/93 
Kaientai Deluxe vs Super Delphin, Tiger Mask IV, Gran Naniwa, Gran Hamada, & Masato Yakushuji--M-Pro These Days, 10/10/1996
Toshiaki Kawada and Genichiro Tenryu vs. Stan Hansen and Terry Gordy, 12/16/88, AJPW
Mitsuharu Misawa/Jun Akiyama vs Toshiaki Kawada/Akira Taue--AJPW RWTL Finals 12/5/97
Atlantis vs Villano III--3/17/2000 mask vs mask
War Games 2--7/31/87
Petey Williams vs AJ Styles vs Chris Sabin--TNA Final Resolution 2005
Steve Williams vs Kenta Kobashi--AJPW 8/31/93
Midnight Express vs The Southern Boys--GAB 1990 7/7/90
Bryan Danielson vs Takeshi Morishima--ROH Manhattan Mayhem 2 8/25/07
The Crush Gals vs The Jumping Bomb Angels--AJW 3/20/86
Stan Hansen vs Kenta Kobashi--AJPW 7/29/93
The Undertaker vs Triple H--WWE WrestleMania XXVIII 4/1/12


****3/4 Matches

Rockers vs Brain Busters 1/23/89
Jumbo Tsuruta vs Ric Flair 6/83
Ric Flair vs Lex Luger--Wrestle War 1990
1990 Royal Rumble match
CM Punk vs Brock Lesnar--Summer Slam 2013
Steve Williams/Terry Gordy vs Toshiaki Kawada/Mitsuharu Misawa--RWTL FINALS 12/91
Rick Rude vs Ricky Steamboat--Beach Blast 1992
Mitsuharu Misawa vs Kenta Kobashi--6/11/99
Shawn Michaels vs Mankind--In Your House:Mind Games 9/96
Footloose vs The Can-Am Express--AJPW 6/5/89
Sting vs Vader--Super Brawl 3
Daniel Bryan vs HHH--WrestleMania 30
Mitsuharu Misawa, Kenta Kobashi, and Toshiaki Kawada vs. Jumbo Tsuruta, Akira Taue, and Masa Fuchi, 5/22/92, AJPW
Mitsuharu Misawa vs Toshiaki Kawada--5/1/98
Bret Hart vs Undertaker--One Night Only 9/19/97
Steve Austin vs The Rock--WM X-7 4/1/01
Mitsuharu Misawa vs Jumbo Tsuruta--AJPW 6/8/90
Jumbo Tsuruta, Akira Taue & Masa Fuchi vs Mitsuharu Misawa & Toshiaki Kawada & Kenta Kobashi--10/19/90
Stan Hansen & Genichiro Tenryu vs Jumbo Tsuruta & Yoshiaki Yatsu--AJPW RWTL Finals 12/89
Jushin Liger vs Brian Pillman--WCW Super Brawl II WCW Light heavyweight Title Match 2/29/92
Steiners vs Bret & Owen Hart--1/11/94
MS1 vs Sangre Chicana--9/23/83 Hair vs Hair

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Posted 16 October 2015 - 01:34 PM

First post ever. Haven't watched nearly as much as most of you. Apologies in advance if dates are off.

 

Tiger Mask II vs Kuniaki Kabayashi (3/9/85)

Magnum TA vs Tully Blanchard (11/28/85)

Ric Flair vs Barry Windham (2/14/86)

Randy Savage vs Ricky Steamboat (3/29/87)

Ric Flair vs Barry Windham (4/11/87)

Ric Flair vs Ricky Steamboat (2/20/89)

Ricky Steamboat vs Ric Flair (4/2/89)

Ricky Steamboat vs Ric Flair (5/7/89)

Jumbo Tsuruta vs Genichiro Tenryu (6/6/89)

Jushin Thunder Liger vs Naoki Sano (8/10/89)

Ric Flair vs Terry Funk (11/15/89)

Jushin Thunder Liger vs Naoki Sano (1/31/90)

El Dandy vs Angel Azteca (6/1/90)

1991 War Games (2/24/91)

Mr. Perfect vs Bret Hart (8/26/91)

Enforcers vs Dustin Rhodes and Ricky Steamboat (11/19/91)

1992 Royal Rumble (1/19/92)

1992 War Games (5/17/92)

Dan Kroffat and Doug Furnas vs Kenta Kobashi and Tsuyoshi Kikuchi (5/25/92)

Bret Hart vs Davey Boy Smith (8/29/92)

Sting vs Vader (12/28/92)

Bret Hart vs Mr. Perfect (6/13/93)

Bret Hart vs Owen Hart (3/20/94)

Razor Ramon vs Shawn Michaels (3/20/94)

***** ***** vs Great Sasuke (4/16/94)

Toshiaki Kawada and Akira Taue vs Mitsuharu Misawa and Kenta Kobashi (5/21/94)

Mitsuharu Misawa vs Toshiaki Kawada (6/3/94)

Bret Hart vs Owen Hart (8/27/94)

Eddie Guerrero and Art Barr vs El Hijo del Santo and Octagon (11/6/94)

Toshiaki Kawada and Akira Taue vs Mitsuharu Misawa and Kenta Kobashi (6/9/95)

Shawn Michaels vs Razor Ramon (8/27/95)

Bret Hart vs Shawn Michaels (3/31/96)

Shawn Michaels vs Mankind (9/22/96)

Bret Hart vs Steve Austin (11/17/96)

Mitsuharu Misawa vs Kenta Kobashi (1/20/97)

Bret Hart vs Steve Austin (3/23/97)

Canadian Stampede 10 Man Tag (7/6/97)

Shawn Michaels vs Undertaker (10/5/97)

Eddie Guerrero vs Rey Mysterio (10/26/97)

Triple H vs Cactus Jack (1/23/2000)

Rock vs Triple H (5/21/2000)

2001 Royal Rumble (1/21/2001)

Steve Austin vs Triple H (2/25/2001)

TLC Match (4/1/2001)

***** ****** and Kurt Angle vs Rey Mysterio and Edge (10/20/2002)

Kenta Kobashi vs Mitsuharu Misawa (3/1/2003)

Triple H vs ***** ****** vs Shawn Michaels (3/14/2004)

Do Fixer vs Blood Generation (3/31/2006)

Undertaker vs Shawn Michaels (4/5/2009)

Hiroshi Tanahashi vs Minoru Suzuki (10/8/2012)

Hiroshi Tanahashi vs Kazuchika Okada (4/7/2013)

KENTA vs Takashi Sugiura (5/11/2013)

CM Punk vs Brock Lesnar (8/18/2013)

John Cena vs Daniel Bryan (8/18/2013)



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Posted 16 October 2015 - 01:44 PM

Do you really need to star out Benoit's name? We're all adults here.



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Posted 17 October 2015 - 05:40 AM

Do you really need to star out Benoit's name? We're all adults here.

I have it on good authority that this isn't true ;)



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Posted 19 October 2015 - 04:12 AM

I've updated the YT playlist with some more suggestions that I could actually find on YT.



#51 rvd356

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Posted 24 October 2015 - 07:50 PM

Damn this is freaking impossible I got a headache thinking bout all this. Just gonna post my 5 star matches because that is hard enough.(EDIT: I changed that.),I guess my formula for the ***** match was:

Great action:
- great looking offense: strikes, dives, Slams, Suplexes, Powerbombs, Drivers & submission holds
- great looking defense: counter strikes, counter to dives(knees up, strikes), counter moves(Powerbomb > Rana), submission reversals
Greatest characters & Gimmicks:
-The Shield: dominant 3 man group that takes out 1 for at a time, awesome SWAT gear, Kings of Trios

-Brock Lesnar 1.0 (02-07) Prototype 2000's Heavyweight wrestler. Legitimate wrestler NCAA champion, black trunks & black boots, #1 athlete in business, can chain-wrestle, hit any power move, submissions, and do any high flying if needed, goes to Japan and is #1 gaijin champion immediately. Greatest rookie year ever(Mark McGwire like).

Brock Lesnar 2.0(2012-Present): All previous points, plus legitimate top fighter on the planet. Ultimate Monster heel: combo of Andre's status, draw and aura mixed with Vader's talent, offense and bumping ability.

Rey Mysterio(97,03): Ultimate Luchador baby face. Ultimate underdog baby face. Real life Superhero with amazing Superhero-like offense & defense. At Havoc 97 he rocks the 'Phantom' suit and does moves only he can and sells like a Superhero drawing the ultimate sympathy and fights the odds and prevails in the end.

And finally all my ***** I made sure had real relevance and meaning to one or both or all of their careers. Like Shield/Bryan, Kane, Ryback MADE those guys and was totally new and unique and well The Shield has been the best thing in wrestling this decade(ehhh 4 way tie with Brock's return, Punk & AJ Styles).

*****

Brock Lesnar v. Roman Reigns - WrestleMania 31
The Shield v. Evolution - Payback 14
The Shield v. The Wyatt Family - Elimination Chamber 14
Brock Lesnar v. CM Punk - Summerslam 13
The Shield v. Daniel Bryan, Kane & Ryback - TLC 12
Brock Lesnar v. John Cena - Extreme Rules 2012
CM Punk v. John Cena - Money in the Bank 07.11.11
Shawn Michaels v. The Undertaker - WrestleMania 25
Kurt Angle v. Shawn Michaels - Wrestlemania 21
Chris Benoit v. Kurt Angle - Royal Rumble 03
Brock Lesnar v. The Undertaker - (HIAC) No Mercy 02
Hatdyz v. Dudleys v. Edge & Christian - (Ladder) WrestleMania 16
Triple H v. Cactus Jack - (HIAC) No Way Out 00
Triple H v. Cactus Jack - Royal Rumble 00
The Undertaker v. Mankind - (HIAC) King of the Ring 98
Shawn Michaels v. The Undertaker - (HIAC) IYH: Badd Blood 97
Royal Rumble 1992 Match
Ultimate Warrior v. Randy Savage - WrestleMania 7
Hulk Hogan v. Ultimate Warrior- WrestleMania 6
Ultimate Warrior v. Rick Rude - Summerslam 89
Randy Savage v. Ricky Steamboat - WrestleMania 3

Kenta Kobashi v. Mitsuharu Misawa - (GHC title) NOAH 03.01.03
Keiji Mutoh v. Genechiro Tenryu - AJPW 06.08.01
Mitsuharu Misawa v. Kenta Kobashi - AJPW 01.20.97
Kenta Kobashi & Mitsuharu Misawa v. Holy Demon Army - AJPW 06.09.95
Kenta Kobashi v. Stan Hansen - AJPW 07.29.93
Kenta Kobashi & Kikuchi v. Can-Am Connection - AJPW 05/92
Jumbo Tsuruta v. Mitsuharu Misawa - AJPW 09.01.90
Jumbo Tsuruta v. Genechiro Tenryu - AJPW 06.08.89

Bill Goldberg v. DDP - Havoc 98
Rey Mysterio v. Eddie Guerrero - Havoc 97
Ric Flair v. Big Van Vader - Starrcade 1993
Sting v. Big Van Vader - (Strap) Superbrawl III
The Steiner Bros v. Sting & Lex Luger - Superbrawl I
Ric Flair v. Ricky Steamboat - WrestleWar 89
Ric Flair v. Ricky Steamboat - Chi-Town Rumble 89

Austin Aries v. Bobby Roode - Destination X 2012
AJ Styles v. Bully Bubba Ray - (LMS) Slammiversary 2011
AJ Styles v. Samoa Joe - TNA Turning Point 05
AJ Styles v. Samoa Joe v. Christopher Daniels - Unbreakable 05

EDIT: So I decided that matches that had a bullshit DQ ending had to be ****3/4. So these were ones I removed. But these are the absolute top level ****3/4 matches, like ****3/4.99999....

Lex Luger v. Ric Flair - WrestleWar 90
Ric Flair v. Terry Funk - Clash X
Lex Luger v. Ricky Steamboat - Bash 89
Ric Flair v. Ricky Steamboat - (2/3 falls) Clash VI

Or here are some ****3/4 matches because while important they are not legendary enough. But they could be 5* based on work but I think that final 1/4* has to mean something more.

CM Punk v. Rey Mysterio - Capital Punishment 11
CM Punk v. Daniel Bryan - Over the Limit 12
Chris Benoit v. Eddie Guerrero - Armageddon 02
Chris Benoit & Angle v. Rey Mysterio & Edge - No Mercy 02
AJ Styles v. Samoa Joe - Sacrifice 05
AJ Styles v. Christopher Daniels - (iron man) Against all Odds 05
AJ Styles v. Samoa Joe v. Christopher Daniels - Against All Odds 06
AJ Styles v. Low Ki - ROH 02
AJ Styles v. Paul London - Night of Grudges 03

#52 TheU_2001

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Posted 26 October 2015 - 04:39 PM

Need to rewatch a few matches and see where they stand.

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Posted 18 December 2015 - 04:01 AM

Removed my list for now. Have to rework ratings.



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Posted 18 February 2016 - 06:59 AM

Updating to add these:

*****

The Great Muta vs. Hiroshi Hase (12/14/92)
Manami Toyota and Toshiyo Yamada vs Mayumi Ozaki and Dynamite Kansai (AJW 11/26/92)

****3/4

Hiroshi Hase and Kensuke Sasaki vs. Shiro Koshinaka and Takayuki Iizuka (12/13/90)
Bryan Danielson vs. Nigel McGuinness (6/23/07)
Shinya Hashimoto vs. Riki Choshu (8/2/96)

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Posted 06 March 2016 - 06:13 PM

NOAH:

 

KENTA & Naomichi Marufuji vs. Jushin Liger & Takehiro Murahama - July 16, 2003 ****3/4

KENTA Kobashi vs. Yoshihiro Takayama - April 25, 2004 *****

Kenta Kobashi vs. Jun Akiyama - Departure 2004 ****3/4

KENTA & Naomichi Marufuji vs. Takeshi Rikio & Takeshi Morishima - July 16, 2006 ****3/4

 

ROH:

 

Low Ki vs. Bryan Danielson - Round Robin Challenge *****

Low Ki vs. Doug WIlliams vs. Brian Kendrick vs. Christopher Daniels - Crowning a Champion ****3/4

Paul London vs. Bryan Danielson - The Epic Encounter *****

AJ Styles vs. Paul London - Night of the Grudges *****

Briscoe Bros., John Walters, & Jimmy Rave vs. Alex Shelley, Austin Aries, Roderick Strong, & Jack Evans - Generation Next ****3/4

Samoa Joe vs. Colt Cabana vs. Mark Briscoe vs. Homicide vs. Austin Aries vs. Bryan Danielson - Survival of the Fittest 2004 ****3/4

Samoa Joe vs. Bryan Danielson - Midnight Express Reunion *****

Samoa Joe vs. CM Punk - Joe vs. Punk II *****

Samoa Joe vs. CM Punk - All Star Extravaganza II *****

Austin Aries vs. CM Punk - Death Before Dishonor III ****3/4

Samoa Joe vs. Kenta Kobashi - Joe vs. Kobashi *****

Low Ki & Samoa Joe vs. Homicide & Kenta Kobashi - Unforgettable ****3/4

Bryan Danielson vs. Roderick Strong - Vendetta *****

KENTA vs. Low Ki - Final Battle 2005 ****3/4

CIMA & Speed Muscle vs. Dragon Kid, Ryo Saito, & Genki Horiguchi - Supercard of Honor *****

Bryan Danielson vs. Roderick Strong - Supercard of Honor ****3/4

Samoa Joe, BJ Whitmer, & Adam Pearce vs. Chris Hero, Super Dragon, & Necro Butcher - The 100th Show ****3/4

Bryan Danielson vs. Nigel McGuinness - Weekend of Champions Night 2 ****3/4

Homicide vs. Necro Butcher - Ring of Homicide *****

Team ROH vs. Team CZW - Death Before Dishonor IV *****

Bryan Danielson vs. Nigel McGuinness - Unified *****

Bryan Danielson vs. KENTA - Glory By Honor V Night 2 *****

 

TNA:

 

AJ Styles vs. Christopher Daniels - Against All Odds 2005 ****3/4

AJ Styles vs. Samoa Joe - Turning Point 2005 ****3/4

 

WWE:

 

Bret Hart vs. Steve Austin - Survivor Series 1996 ****3/4

Bret Hart vs. Steve Austin - WrestleMania 13 *****

Brock Lesnar vs. CM Punk - SummerSlam 2013 ****3/4

The Shield vs. The Wyatt Family - Elimination Chamber 2014 ****3/4

Triple H vs. Daniel Bryan - WrestleMania XXX ****3/4

Sasha Banks vs. Bayley - NXT Takeover: Brooklyn ****3/4



#56 JerryvonKramer

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Posted 21 March 2016 - 05:22 AM

Update (added):

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5-on-5 Gauntlet (4/19/84)
Ted DiBiase vs. Ric Flair (11/6/85)
Ricky Steamboat vs. Rick Rude (6/20/92)
Hiroshi Hase vs. Masa Chono (8/6/93)
Mitsuharu Misawa & Jun Akiyama vs Toshiaki Kawada & Akira Taue (12/06/96)
Mitsuharu Misawa vs Kenta Kobashi (01/20/97)
Kenta Kobashi vs. Jun Akiyama (07/24/98)

****3/4

Steve Grey vs. Jim Breaks (5/12/81)
Terry Taylor vs. Ric Flair (6/1/85)
Jerry Lawler vs. Bill Dundee (No DQ, Loser Leaves Town) (12/30/85)
Jerry Lawler vs. Bill Dundee (No DQ, Loser Leaves Town) (7/14/86)
Negro Casas vs. Mocho Cota (9/23/94)
Mitsuharu Misawa & Jun Akiyama vs Toshiaki Kawada & Akira Taue (11/29/96)
Jushin Liger vs. Shinjiro Ohtani (2/9/97)
Kenta Kobashi vs Toshiaki Kawada (06/12/98)

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Posted 23 March 2016 - 06:33 AM

I watched that DiBiase/Flair match on the Mid-South set a couple weeks ago and thought I might on an island in how much I loved it. I have it at ****3/4. It is so brilliant and so intense.



#58 JerryvonKramer

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Posted 23 March 2016 - 11:08 AM

I watched that DiBiase/Flair match on the Mid-South set a couple weeks ago and thought I might on an island in how much I loved it. I have it at ****3/4. It is so brilliant and so intense.

Not an island, it standardly gets five stars and ranked #3 on Mid-South set.

Just a question mark over how much of the awesome is match vs how much is angle.

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Posted 24 March 2016 - 08:40 AM

I knew it ranked highly on the set, but hadn't seen it pop up on this thread before and really don't remember it being dropped much. Granted, my visits to and exploration of the board are spotty at best and my podcast listening isn't the most consistent. Plus, this is obviously a working list for everyone and can't be expected to be up an up to the minute account. It just didn't seem canonical like Duggan/DiBiase or any number of Flair matches. Whatever, that's all inconsequential. I am glad people like it as much as I do. 

 

It is one of those where the angle and the match are inseparable to me. The angle informs and animates the match in really substantive ways. I was marking out over Bill Watts little promo before the match.



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Posted 19 April 2016 - 05:17 AM

I've cleaned up the YT playlist and added a few more matches from peoples suggestions that I could find.

 

https://www.youtube....oUf4FffEEWZTq04

 

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