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#21 topropepodcast

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Posted 07 April 2017 - 05:08 PM

I think the Rollins match from MITB last year is Seth's best singles match he's ever had.

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Posted 07 April 2017 - 08:55 PM

Outside of being a bit shaky the first couple of months of his solo push, it's been clear that Roman has been a top 2-3 talent for the past 2 years. I would say if AJ hadn't come in, he'd be the clear top worker in the company. The range of talents he's worked with and had high quality matches from Big Show/Braun to AJ/Balor is really unmatched by anyone but AJ right now. Which is why the push back against him has been so silly. It's not like he was John Cena in 2005 shitty in the ring. Even when he had that match with Bryan, he was clearly a better performer at least on that night. 



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Posted 08 April 2017 - 06:40 AM

Since he came in as part of The Shield in 2012 no one has had the same quantity of good to great matches. That's five years of good matches in TV almost every week (bar the odd awkward performance at the start of his singles run). The guy is an excellent tag worker, can work hard hitting brawls, work underneath with great selling performances or come across as a destructive monster (something they should have him do more.)

By the end of his career his sheer volume of good matches could be at Rey Mysterious levels and if he'd have done a couple of years on the indies or New Japan then the people who hate him would have basically canonised the guy.

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Posted 01 May 2017 - 03:50 AM

Last nights performance in the Braun match was another feather in his cap. I know "LOL keep Roman strong" is a HILARIOUS thing people like to say, but he selflessly made Braun look incredible last night. Fought realistically from beneath, sold the shit out of his injuries and managed to have a very good match whilst being comprehensively beaten. Roman's timing is excellent, making his comebacks after letting Braun hurt himself (by running full force into the ring posts). Even kicking out of Strowman's finisher came off well, as his kick out had no force behind it, instead he barely lifted a shoulder in a way that said "he's still in it, but he's basically done" and then took the clean loss. Really great performance

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Posted 01 May 2017 - 04:44 AM

Even kicking out of Strowman's finisher came off well, as his kick out had no force behind it, instead he barely lifted a shoulder in a way that said "he's still in it, but he's basically done" and then took the clean loss.

 

Saw that moment in the match and just started clapping. The guy just gets pro wrestling and I legitimately feel bad for him considering all this hate he gets. Someone of this talent deserves far more respect than he gets. Truly one of the best in-ring storytellers of our time and he has years to only get better.



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Posted 01 May 2017 - 05:34 AM

Amazing performance from Reigns last night and I was going to bump this thread to discuss it. Nice to see it already getting recognition. Not only was he excellent at selling the pain he was in when Strowman was in offence, but the subtleties of lessening the impact of his own moves and, as has been pointed out, kicking out of the powerslam so weakly were incredible.

I'm not sure if there's anyone else on the WWE roster who could pull off a performance from underneath as good as that, let alone even being interested in doing so ahead of just going move for move. AJ Styles for sure but that's probably it. I loved the desperation and hatred that shone through when he was thumping Strowman with the ambulance door at the end too.

It's hard to conclude that the guy is anything other than one of the top workers in the world right now and I really hate that he still gets no respect from a large portion of the audience - the demographic that purports to care about people being good workers as well. Surely these people are just deluding themselves at this point. Performative smarkdom is the worst.

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Posted 01 May 2017 - 06:05 AM

Reigns has proved month after month, big match after big match, that he definitely deserves the kind of push that he's getting. And now, these arguments that "there's someone better" just don't hold anymore. I might have believed you in a time when Daniel Bryan was still on the roster, but now? Even with the boos, and heck maybe even because of the boos, Reigns fits into almost any role that a top WWE guy would need to fill. 

 

He's an insurmountable threat to be conquered (vs. AJ Styles), a believably vulnerable underdog (vs. Brock and Braun), a cocky ace ready to defend his spot (vs. Bryan). What is it these people aren't seeing? Ridiculous.



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Posted 01 May 2017 - 06:14 AM

Reigns has proved month after month, big match after big match, that he definitely deserves the kind of push that he's getting. And now, these arguments that "there's someone better" just don't hold anymore. I might have believed you in a time when Daniel Bryan was still on the roster, but now? Even with the boos, and heck maybe even because of the boos, Reigns fits into almost any role that a top WWE guy would need to fill. 
 
He's an insurmountable threat to be conquered (vs. AJ Styles), a believably vulnerable underdog (vs. Brock and Braun), a cocky ace ready to defend his spot (vs. Bryan). What is it these people aren't seeing? Ridiculous.


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Posted 01 May 2017 - 08:31 AM

Hard to say there's anyone right now that paid as much attention to selling as Roman did yesterday. From the moment he came down to the ring barely moving his bad arm, I knew he was going to provide some great, great stuff.



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Posted 01 May 2017 - 12:09 PM

 

Even kicking out of Strowman's finisher came off well, as his kick out had no force behind it, instead he barely lifted a shoulder in a way that said "he's still in it, but he's basically done" and then took the clean loss.

 

Saw that moment in the match and just started clapping. The guy just gets pro wrestling and I legitimately feel bad for him considering all this hate he gets. Someone of this talent deserves far more respect than he gets. Truly one of the best in-ring storytellers of our time and he has years to only get better.

 

 

What did it for me was him not being able to scream "UAH!". He did the pose, a portion of the crowd screamed, and he sounded like his throat and lungs were fucking destroyed. It was brilliant.



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Posted 01 May 2017 - 01:05 PM

I had a hot take and said I think Roman is the best main event face WWE has had since Bret Hart. Not in terms of character or promos, but in terms of consistently high quality matches with vastly different opponents where he adapts a different role depending on who he is facing, excellent selling, and generally making his opponents look great regardless if he wins or loses. The only guy I'd put above him at all in WWE right now is AJ, and AJ is going to be a midcard faceish champ, not main event face. Nakamura certainly COULD be better, but he hasn't been in his WWE run. 

 

It's certainly no coincidence that everyone's best (WWE) match for the past 2 years has been with Roman. From AJ to Braun to arguably Big Show before these Braun matches to Brock to Bray to Rusev to Balor to Sheamus to Cesaro and so on. Dude is a better workrate king than all of the indie dudes on the roster besides AJ. 



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Posted 01 May 2017 - 01:20 PM

I get where you're coming from, but maybe you should Get the F Out and go with Ace instead of Face? I think a prerequisite of being a good in-ring face is to get the crowd behind you and while he did it against Brock and Sheamus... 



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Posted 01 May 2017 - 02:33 PM

I don't think it is at this point in WWE. AJ Styles has been a heel for about a year now and gets 90% cheers despite not doing anything to garner face cheers beyond being a good wrestler. He's been a good heel, too. He just happens to get cheered. Roman is a good face, putting on great face performances whether the crowd treats it as such or not. Unless you'd also argue that John Cena hasn't actually been a face for the past 12 years as well, which seems a bit absurd. 

 

Roman's role has been more flexible at times in comparison to Cena, though.



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Posted 01 May 2017 - 02:52 PM

I put Roman over Styles for the sole reason that Roman does not have anything as shitty as the Cena trilogy on his resume. I think the best in the world hype from some is a little much but he is the best male worker in the company at this point.

 

With each performance, it's becoming harder and harder to deny the fact that the dude is obviously a very good pro wrestler. But people are so blinded by their hatred of how he has been booked and presented that, outside of this circle, he is just never going to get the praise for his work that he deserves.



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Posted 01 May 2017 - 02:55 PM

It's also the individual attributes that people value. Offense or bumping over selling. Workrate and cardio over character. Etc.

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Posted 01 May 2017 - 03:13 PM

I put Roman over Styles for the sole reason that Roman does not have anything as shitty as the Cena trilogy on his resume. I think the best in the world hype from some is a little much but he is the best male worker in the company at this point.

 

With each performance, it's becoming harder and harder to deny the fact that the dude is obviously a very good pro wrestler. But people are so blinded by their hatred of how he has been booked and presented that, outside of this circle, he is just never going to get the praise for his work that he deserves.

That's another thing I don't get. Roman has been booked and presented to be FAR more vulnerable and giving than any of the other top faces. Unlike 10 years of Cena cutting joke promos that tell the audience how much his opponent sucks and kills their gimmick before smashing them 3 months straight usually ending in beating them at their own signature match, Roman puts over his opponents during promos even if they're jokey, and he usually puts them over again the Raw after a PPV saying how tough it was. And he actually eats clean falls. 

 

Roman spent the past 3 months getting demolished by Braun every week and just lost clean to a fucking powerslam in 2017. 



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Posted 01 May 2017 - 03:27 PM

What would turn the smarks around on him outside of releasing him to compete in the G1? And even then I feel like a large proportion of those fans don't actually watch much New Japan etc.

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Posted 01 May 2017 - 03:57 PM

 

I put Roman over Styles for the sole reason that Roman does not have anything as shitty as the Cena trilogy on his resume. I think the best in the world hype from some is a little much but he is the best male worker in the company at this point.

 

With each performance, it's becoming harder and harder to deny the fact that the dude is obviously a very good pro wrestler. But people are so blinded by their hatred of how he has been booked and presented that, outside of this circle, he is just never going to get the praise for his work that he deserves.

That's another thing I don't get. Roman has been booked and presented to be FAR more vulnerable and giving than any of the other top faces. Unlike 10 years of Cena cutting joke promos that tell the audience how much his opponent sucks and kills their gimmick before smashing them 3 months straight usually ending in beating them at their own signature match, Roman puts over his opponents during promos even if they're jokey, and he usually puts them over again the Raw after a PPV saying how tough it was. And he actually eats clean falls. 

 

Roman spent the past 3 months getting demolished by Braun every week and just lost clean to a fucking powerslam in 2017. 

 

 

That's a good point, the constant complaints about how Wrestler X and Wrestler Y are being sacrificed to make Roman look strong don't really hold up considering those wrestlers actually end up looking better than they did before they feuded with him.

 

People just can't get over the fact that his initial 2014/15 push was a bit too rapid for their taste and at the "expense" of Daniel Bryan and that mindset of "Undeserving Roman is being pushed to the top at all costs" has just stuck and nothing that has happened or he has done since can apparently change that.



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Posted 01 May 2017 - 06:09 PM

I can't help but find it ironic that the one thing that will redeem Roman in the eyes of most fans is a heel turn. It plays into this whole new level of meta-booking that the WWE has been experimenting (intentionally or otherwise) with for about a whole decade now.

The same logic goes for Cena back when the hatred for him was a palpable thing instead of just a part of his act (which is starting to become the case for Roman).

If you have a top ace who is over with a significant section of the crowd as a face as well as drawing huge boo reactions, why would you turn that person heel if they're already receiving heel receptions. The change might only serve to change the reaction he receives.

It was one of the great things about Cena that he could put in these fantastic babyface performances then turn right around and play the best heel for the indy darlings (Punk, Bryan, Styles) coming up without ever changing his character but still getting the reaction necessary to put his opponent over.

Same goes for Roman except his opponents don't just go over with the crowd in builds but also in the ring as Roman bumps and sells his ass off for pretty much all his opponents.

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Posted 01 May 2017 - 07:25 PM

I don't get why they don't just turn Reigns for 9 months or whatever. He'd be bigger afterwards. 






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