KrisZ Posted May 27, 2015 Report Share Posted May 27, 2015 Kris is joined by David Bixenspan & Dylan Hales to discuss Part 2 of the end of Jim Crockett Promotions spanning from October-December 1988. We talk about the continued odyssey of Lex Luger, the evil Road Warriors, and most importantly the nuclear war between Ric Flair & Dusty Rhodes plus lots more. Listen to us talk about how this 2 part series is even more important today considering the pending demise of Total Nonstop Action. http://placetobenation.com/exile-on-badstreet-6-the-price-of-ridiculousness-part-2/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shoe Posted May 27, 2015 Report Share Posted May 27, 2015 Also in regards to the Road Warrior/Sting angle was the Roadies refused to tag Sting. The only reason Sting got in the ring was a blind hot tag. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badlittlekitten Posted May 27, 2015 Report Share Posted May 27, 2015 Hope this is as long as the previous episode. Looking forward to the slaying of Jim Herd, Flair vs Dusty and more 'aiight's from Kris. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerryvonKramer Posted May 28, 2015 Report Share Posted May 28, 2015 Watching through late 80s on WTBBP, a frequent talking point was how lost and aimless the Road Warriors felt, like they literally drifted and were hanging around doing nothing in particular for what seemed like years. I think you might argue that as an act they weren't very well set up for an extended run in a national promotion. Once they've run through everyone what then? What's there left for them to do? I agree that a heel turn makes sense on paper, but what they REALLY needed to do was go away (i.e. to another territory) and come back refreshed. The new climate and landscape didn't allow for that and so instead we got, as Kris said, staleness. And even with them never jobbing to anyone, it's difficult to maintain "aura" over an extended period like that. They never stopped being over, but I was pretty shocked by just how directionless they felt right up to their departure to WWF. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBadMick Posted May 28, 2015 Report Share Posted May 28, 2015 Hope this is as long as the previous episode. Looking forward to the slaying of Jim Herd, Flair vs Dusty and more 'aiight's from Kris. Noticed those too! Cool. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerryvonKramer Posted May 28, 2015 Report Share Posted May 28, 2015 Kris, is Flair wanting to work heel really Flair being a mark for Flair, or do you think it's because he didn't like working babyface because he thought he had no offense for the comeback? I've heard him say it a few times now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KrisZ Posted May 28, 2015 Author Report Share Posted May 28, 2015 Flair loves being heel because it plays into his character more although he was a fantastic babyface Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badlittlekitten Posted May 28, 2015 Report Share Posted May 28, 2015 Had no idea about the ramifications of Dusty's spike to the eye. "Dusty shares a lot of similarities with Tito. Not Tito Santana but the Yugoslavian dictator". Best of these shows so far for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Champagne Posted May 28, 2015 Report Share Posted May 28, 2015 Terrific episode as usual. I'm already looking forward to your multi-part 89 shows. More great in-ring product that unfortunately failed at the box office. Your point about WCW being a horribly-run organization from day one is spot on. It's a shame too, since they had an ideal roster to build a wrestling company with IMO. Has a promotion ever had such obvious can't miss future superstars than WCW did at this point in Luger, Sting and Windham (and Rick Steiner to a lesser extent)? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KrisZ Posted May 28, 2015 Author Report Share Posted May 28, 2015 They were loaded with high end young talent and botched all of them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peachchaos Posted May 28, 2015 Report Share Posted May 28, 2015 Great show, as usual. Found this: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KrisZ Posted May 28, 2015 Author Report Share Posted May 28, 2015 There it is......what a tremendous angle that was man Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBadMick Posted May 29, 2015 Report Share Posted May 29, 2015 Interesting little info about Valentine, Piper and One Man Gang possibly defecting in '88, I was unaware of that. Another great show - obviously. Bix, what was your point about Stan Lane being trained by Flair - does he go on and on and on about it or something? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KrisZ Posted May 29, 2015 Author Report Share Posted May 29, 2015 Piper actually heated up more in 1989 and it got close but he went back and did Mania with Morton Downey Jr. Stan is known for bragging about Flair training hin yes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bix Posted May 30, 2015 Report Share Posted May 30, 2015 Stan is known for bragging about Flair training hin yes Of course he does. If you were trained by Ric Flair, which you couldn't be, because only Stan Lane was trained by Ric Flair, then why wouldn't you constantly brag about being trained by Ric Flair? Like Stan Lane, the only wrestler ever trained by Ric Flair. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt D Posted May 30, 2015 Report Share Posted May 30, 2015 One of my favorite part of these is when someone's doing an extended Dusty impression and it goes on long enough that I forget who's doing it and can't figure it out. (It was Kris) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBadMick Posted May 30, 2015 Report Share Posted May 30, 2015 Stan is known for bragging about Flair training hin yes Of course he does. If you were trained by Ric Flair, which you couldn't be, because only Stan Lane was trained by Ric Flair, then why wouldn't you constantly brag about being trained by Ric Flair? Like Stan Lane, the only wrestler ever trained by Ric Flair. Cool. Funny stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gingears Posted May 30, 2015 Report Share Posted May 30, 2015 This series is marvelous. There has yet to be a disappointing episode. I look forward to the next installment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shoe Posted May 31, 2015 Report Share Posted May 31, 2015 Wasn't Matysik the one who pushed for Flair to go over Luger clean, and it was Flair who suggested the feet on the rope as a compromise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KrisZ Posted May 31, 2015 Author Report Share Posted May 31, 2015 That is what has been said yeah. Larry was a big Flair guy and he mentioned that to Herd even though he wasn't supposed to start until January Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badlittlekitten Posted May 31, 2015 Report Share Posted May 31, 2015 On one part of the show it was hinted that Flair had major heat with the Japanese, what is this in reference to? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shoe Posted May 31, 2015 Report Share Posted May 31, 2015 The j-tex angle in 89 I'm guessing. I'm pretty sure the guys had their tongue firmly in their cheek. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shoe Posted May 31, 2015 Report Share Posted May 31, 2015 I always loved Starcade 88 as a card. My main problem was the amount of tags in a row on the show. So it didn't seem as diverse as it was suggested it was . Great show guys. So Windham left cause he made a play for the book. So the story of him leaving to have surgery , but not having the surgery is false? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeteF3 Posted May 31, 2015 Report Share Posted May 31, 2015 On one part of the show it was hinted that Flair had major heat with the Japanese, what is this in reference to? I think I zoned out during that part, but I believe they were referencing Ross' cry at Clash IX: "THE JAPANESE HAVE ATTACKED RIC FLAIR! THE JAPANESE HAVE ATTACKED RIC FLAIR!" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KrisZ Posted May 31, 2015 Author Report Share Posted May 31, 2015 Yeah it was a call to the next year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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