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#41 Dylan Waco

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Posted 18 April 2016 - 08:57 AM

I liked Ikeda but didn't rank him.  Him Atlantis were probably the two most "emotional" rejections on my list in that my primary reason for not voting for them was that I just don't "feel" greatness in them.  Actually that's not entirely true as Ikeda was great at times, but felt more like a flash in the pan in that regard than Ishikawa or Otsuka.  That said I really do wonder if I would feel that way if I had never seen him work NOAH.

 

Kerry is weird in that I agree that he doesn't look or feel out of place to me in the 90's, I agree that he's been unfairly maligned as a worker in some quarters, and there is an extent to where he feels like a good rep for the "footage explosion."  That said he's also not an obscure figure like a Hoshino, or a guy who was wildly misrepresented like a Piper or Hayes.  I didn't vote for him, and didn't even strongly consider him, in part because I was underwhelmed by World Class.  That said he had great series' with Flair (though that Christmas night cage match sucks) and Lawler, and matches with guys like Hayes and even Jumbo that are legit great.  He's not someone I can get really excited about seeing on the list, but I don't have a part of me that really sees him as a "bad" guy to make the top 100 either. 



#42 Grimmas

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Posted 18 April 2016 - 08:58 AM

The Destroyer was my 29th.
 

Today I will lose 4 people...



#43 JKWebb

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Posted 18 April 2016 - 09:00 AM


PWO GWE Project - The Matches 
 
YouTube Playlist: https://www.youtube....XVg_EnCzjHVPUOt
 

 
A true GWE MVP.

Yes, Thank you! Kerry was my first to fall, but looking forward to watching these recommendations

#44 Parties

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Posted 18 April 2016 - 09:00 AM

Beyer is my 41st to fall. I had him at #82 and could have gone higher with more footage. I agree with the assessment that he's one of those guys who embodies pro wrestling, to the point that if something like MAD Magazine or a political cartoon was drawing a stereotype of a wrestler in the 60s/70s, they pretty much just drew the Destroyer. Yet in spite of that he's sort of a singular act: there's no one quite like him, and to Dylan's point elsewhere about originality, he's a dude who I love in part because of his novelty and unique role in Japan.



#45 cubbymark

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Posted 18 April 2016 - 09:00 AM

Destroyer belongs for reigning in that piece of shit Mil Mascaras whenever they wrestled.

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Posted 18 April 2016 - 09:06 AM

PWO GWE Project - The Matches 

 

YouTube Playlist: https://www.youtube....XVg_EnCzjHVPUOt

 

 

My god...there goes my productivity.



#47 Yo-Yo's Roomie

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Posted 18 April 2016 - 09:10 AM

Finally high vote on my second guy, The Destroyer. Basically wanted to say that he, to me, is the epitome of a pro-wrestler, but a couple of other people already said the same thing. Never less than entertaining, be it grinding holds or doing comedy shtick. The GOAT verbal wrestler (think someone else said that before, so I'm just copying). Not a lot of footage, but enough for me to know he is one of the best ever.



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Posted 18 April 2016 - 09:11 AM

Voting LA Park #4 has to be the most DEAN thing ever.



#49 stomperspc

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Posted 18 April 2016 - 09:14 AM

Ikeda never really connected with me either. In general, I prefer quality mat work over sheer stiffness when watching a more realistic style and think Ikeda leans too far in the one direction. His NOAH stuff never knocked me over either.

 

I had Virus at #22. I wrote more about this on my blog but while I obviously think very highly of Virus and think he is far more well-rounded than even his supporters sometimes give him credit for, it was difficult to rank him much higher after diving deep into his 90's and early 2000's work last year with Tim. We came away impressed at his consistency (Virus doesn't have bad performances and is rarely involved in below average matches) but also noticed even when provided the opportunity there just isn't a lot of truly top end Virus matches (singles or otherwise) pre-2010. #22 felt about as high as I could go after that. Having said that, a little disappointed at the #99 finish. I was hoping he would get a few more votes (50+) which probably would have bumped him up a couple of spots.

 

I had The Destroyer at #35. He and Virus were my two top 40 guys to fall. A nice jump for Virus but a big fall back for The Destroyer.



#50 goodhelmet

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Posted 18 April 2016 - 09:18 AM

I love Ikeda and Ishikawa. I had them both in my 30s back to back. They are my gateway drug into BattlArts and if Phil Schneider tells me to watch a match with either of them in it, I don't hesitate. 

 

I had Kerry in my top half because I think he was a legitimately great wrestler who held his end with great wrestlers and also carried the load with lesser guys. Easily the best Von Erich ever. 



#51 Grimmas

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Posted 18 April 2016 - 09:21 AM

I am extremely happy that LA Park made this list. Honestly, before votes came in, I was thinking he had no shot. Luckily I was wrong.

 

Just an all-time great brawler with out of control charisma. When you throw in his earlier work doing high spots and that fact he could get over in WCW as well as he did, he's something special. I'm glad others thought so too.



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Posted 18 April 2016 - 09:31 AM

Positive: Really happy Kerry made the top 100. Too many great matches and feuds to not be on the list.

 

Negative: Now I'm mad I didn't vote for LA Park. He deserved it.



#53 goodhelmet

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Posted 18 April 2016 - 09:35 AM

I have to get out of the Honorable Mention mindset. I keep getting upset that guys are falling from my list in the Top 100. I should be happy they are in the Top 100!!!!



#54 Grimmas

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Posted 18 April 2016 - 09:36 AM

I have to get out of the Honorable Mention mindset. I keep getting upset that guys are falling from my list in the Top 100. I should be happy they are in the Top 100!!!!

Especially for the guys who didn't make it in 2006.



#55 JerryvonKramer

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Posted 18 April 2016 - 09:36 AM

I'm okay to be an outlier on this: I don't and have never seen the fuss over LA Park. The time I spent watching his matches for this project is time I'll never get back, and I blame Grimmas for it.

#56 Grimmas

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Posted 18 April 2016 - 09:45 AM

I'm okay to be an outlier on this: I don't and have never seen the fuss over LA Park. The time I spent watching his matches for this project is time I'll never get back, and I blame Grimmas for it.

You are welcome. I still don't see how you don't see his awesomeness.



#57 Jetlag

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Posted 18 April 2016 - 09:46 AM

Ikeda suffers from being pimped as a stiff machine. He is an asskicking machine, but he can also go on the mat, sell incredibly well from underneath, can incooperate junior elements and even comedy elements and is an excellent tag worker, like a japanese Tully Blanchard. All that and we know he was good from the get go and is still a good wrestler in 2016. So he has an excellent case even with so many if his matches not being taped.

 

It feels very weird that he only makes the Top 100 by a hair. His Top 20 matches stomp a lot of very well respected wrestlers.



#58 Childs

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Posted 18 April 2016 - 09:51 AM

 

 

So if he isn't a shootstyle guy, what style is he? I might check him out.

Battlarts and Futen are very much hybrid shoot style promotions. Shoot style is their base but they incorporate pro style moves in more realistic ways. Ikeda specifically is known for being probably the stiffest worker ever.

 


Battlearts reoccurred a lot on the lists of Childs, Chad and Charles, and clearly with him ranking #100 a lot of people are high on him, so I might watch some of this stuff when I start watching wrestling again.

Your description and what I've heard sounds vaguely promising, and I'm wondering if it's more accessible than the dryer-than-paint-1990-UWF type stuff I tried to watch whenever it was or than Volk Han etc.

 

 

It's more strike-based, more violent and yet goofier at times than a lot of the shootstyle you've sampled. So yes, I think you'd like it more.



#59 Jetlag

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Posted 18 April 2016 - 09:52 AM

Dean ranking Parka at 4 is lovely. I do wonder if there are people who voted for Parka because they remember him as the funny WCW jobber.



#60 Timbo Slice

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Posted 18 April 2016 - 09:55 AM

I see Parka and Nakamura as very similar guys in the sense that in a big match atmosphere, they can absolutely kill it to the point where you wonder why they don't do it every night. Both are incredibly charismatic too. Wondering now how high Nak will go mainly because he has worked New Japan.




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