GOTNW Posted August 23, 2016 Report Share Posted August 23, 2016 Opening was pretty boring, I have zero use for Lesnar spamming German Suplexes that end in weird flat back bumps, looks completely unnatural. Match was fun once they moved away from that as we got to see some actual violence with the table bumps. I can accept finishers being used the way they were here much easier when you actually establish every match is going to be like that and it doesn't feel like it's just a cheap way of getting hit for a bigger match and that's what they've done with Lesnar, you get the feel you'd have to hit him with a shotgun to actually beat him. What makes this match really special is the absolutely brutal finish-absolutely unreal violence creating an epic visual. ***1/4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goc Posted August 24, 2016 Report Share Posted August 24, 2016 Where is your anger about selfish Brock Lesnar refusing to put over young up and comer, and totally fresh act, Randy Orton!? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WingedEagle Posted August 24, 2016 Report Share Posted August 24, 2016 Opening was pretty boring, I have zero use for Lesnar spamming German Suplexes that end in weird flat back bumps, looks completely unnatural. Match was fun once they moved away from that as we got to see some actual violence with the table bumps. I can accept finishers being used the way they were here much easier when you actually establish every match is going to be like that and it doesn't feel like it's just a cheap way of getting hit for a bigger match and that's what they've done with Lesnar, you get the feel you'd have to hit him with a shotgun to actually beat him. What makes this match really special is the absolutely brutal finish-absolutely unreal violence creating an epic visual. ***1/4 I shudder to think what would happen if WWE catered to this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GOTNW Posted August 24, 2016 Author Report Share Posted August 24, 2016 They already had generations of wrestlers die prematurely and a wrestler commit murder/suicide, Battlarts alumnis fare pretty well in comparison. And the Raw GM almost killed himself taking stupid bumps several times. Plenty of moves look good without dropping someone on their head. Not sure German Suplex is one of them. Lesnar's Vertical and Belly To Belly look great but he doesn't use those as much unfortunately. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WingedEagle Posted August 24, 2016 Report Share Posted August 24, 2016 They already had generations of wrestlers die prematurely and a wrestler commit murder/suicide, Battlarts alumnis fare pretty well in comparison. And the Raw GM almost killed himself taking stupid bumps several times. Plenty of moves look good without dropping someone on their head. Not sure German Suplex is one of them. Lesnar's Vertical and Belly To Belly look great but he doesn't use those as much unfortunately. I'm not their parent. Not my job to look out for wrestlers' well being, even if I wish them all the best. But if every match looked like Battlarts or older Japanese shoot style promotions I wouldn't be long for the show. Its one thing to mix that in as part of the overall package being presented. I know what channel UFC is on and can turn there whenever I wish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Microstatistics Posted August 24, 2016 Report Share Posted August 24, 2016 They already had generations of wrestlers die prematurely and a wrestler commit murder/suicide, Battlarts alumnis fare pretty well in comparison. And the Raw GM almost killed himself taking stupid bumps several times. Plenty of moves look good without dropping someone on their head. Not sure German Suplex is one of them. Lesnar's Vertical and Belly To Belly look great but he doesn't use those as much unfortunately. I'm not their parent. Not my job to look out for wrestlers' well being, even if I wish them all the best. But if every match looked like Battlarts or older Japanese shoot style promotions I wouldn't be long for the show. Its one thing to mix that in as part of the overall package being presented. I know what channel UFC is on and can turn there whenever I wish. Not sure if you're talking from a match quality point of view or safety point of view. For the former it's much better than the million finisher kickout stuff while for the latter it's no worse than the high spot/huge bump stuff that's getting people injured. Anyways it was probably a one time thing and it's extremely unlikely it becomes the the norm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El-P Posted August 24, 2016 Report Share Posted August 24, 2016 Battlarts and older shoot style promotion had cards how often ? Once a month ? And really, shoot-style had never been about busting each other hardway with elbows anyway. Anyway, this match was terrible and the finish was dumb as fuck. Just fucking blade a good one instead of this shitty pseudo MMA nonsense that can go nowhere anyway and doesn't do anything for Brock at this point, he's all gimmicked up and his matches suck now, thanks to Suplex Citytm. (on the other hand, the *übersafe German suplex* that has been the norm in WWE since Kurt Angle, whose suplexes looked like shit compared to any japanese rookie's, are indeed not doing Brock any favors. And the WWE stance is totally hypocritical since guys are killing themselves doing really dangerous spots while the freaking piledriver is forbidden. It's not like Jerry Lawler maimed a lot of guys with it...) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GOTNW Posted August 24, 2016 Author Report Share Posted August 24, 2016 They already had generations of wrestlers die prematurely and a wrestler commit murder/suicide, Battlarts alumnis fare pretty well in comparison. And the Raw GM almost killed himself taking stupid bumps several times. Plenty of moves look good without dropping someone on their head. Not sure German Suplex is one of them. Lesnar's Vertical and Belly To Belly look great but he doesn't use those as much unfortunately. I'm not their parent. Not my job to look out for wrestlers' well being, even if I wish them all the best. But if every match looked like Battlarts or older Japanese shoot style promotions I wouldn't be long for the show. Its one thing to mix that in as part of the overall package being presented. I know what channel UFC is on and can turn there whenever I wish. Don't really see why you felt the need to act so condescending here, maybe it's self-loathing due to how notoriously the All Japan crew ended up. Yeah, it's probably stupid to do skull cracking shoot headbutts if you're wrestling 300 times a year, but then so is taking stupid apron and tope rope bumps that happen all the time now. And both are dangerous enough even without the insane schedule. Also pretty ridiculous you're atttacking me for this when my favourite WWE wrestlers are Braun Strowman, Rusev and The Miz, the safety and health of WWE wrestlers would probably be better off if I was running it instead of people fascinated with PWG Meltzer reddit meme wrestling. And if more people knew how to actually WRESTLE like the shoot guys did maybe they could work the mat a little instead of doing something stupid every two minutes to get a reaction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WingedEagle Posted August 24, 2016 Report Share Posted August 24, 2016 Always a pleasure. Not much to add where reading comp is disregarded. Hope you've got a comfy saddle atop that high horse you love to watch from. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GOTNW Posted August 24, 2016 Author Report Share Posted August 24, 2016 Always a pleasure. Not much to add where reading comp is disregarded. Hope you've got a comfy saddle atop that high horse you love to watch from. I'm sure running away from an argument you started by adding even more condescending nonsense (lol kek you can't read) is much easier than actually responding to the points I made. Maybe if you knew how to argue you wouldn't feel the need to resort to such cheap baiting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMJ Posted August 28, 2016 Report Share Posted August 28, 2016 Hated this one. Boring Suplex City stuff out of Brock. More finisher kickouts (just in case you hadn't had your full with Styles/Cena). Nothing new or fresh out of Orton, just signature stuff, which may make sense psychology-wise, but certainly didn't make for any suspense or drama. Non-finish "finish." Possible lead-up to a Shane/Brock match because he can't help himself. Taker/Shane at Mania was probably my least favorite match of the decade, but Shane/Brock may end up topping it. Gave it 1 star on my blog. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WingedEagle Posted August 28, 2016 Report Share Posted August 28, 2016 When was the last great Randy Orton match? Anything since Bryan presumably carried him on TV at some point during his run? Kudos to him for taking the abuse he did here, but I couldn't point to anything else he did to make this match interesting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy Redman Posted August 29, 2016 Report Share Posted August 29, 2016 I'm not really up with my 2014-15 so there may be a more recent example, but the last I can think of is the Mania XXX main event. Also, just before that was Orton's gauntlet run through all of the EC participants, that lead to great TV matches with Bryan, Cena, Cesaro, etc. So early 2014 may have been his last run of great work. There's also the Evolution/Shield tags that came just after Mania XXX. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WingedEagle Posted August 29, 2016 Report Share Posted August 29, 2016 I don't recall those TV matches but was thinking of straight singles matches rather than giving credit for Mania XXX or the Evolution/Shield tags. No doubt some Bryan singles affairs in that period were solid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrzfn Posted August 29, 2016 Report Share Posted August 29, 2016 When was the last great Randy Orton match? Anything since Bryan presumably carried him on TV at some point during his run? Kudos to him for taking the abuse he did here, but I couldn't point to anything else he did to make this match interesting. Honestly you might have to push it back to the Christian feud. In a pinch, depending on your mileage, you could argue: vs. Bryan 6/24/13 vs. Bryan 12/16/13 vs. Bryan 2/3/14 vs. Cesaro 2/11/14 vs. Rollins WM31 But I think Christian is the last generally agreed upon one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Microstatistics Posted August 29, 2016 Report Share Posted August 29, 2016 When was the last great Randy Orton match? Anything since Bryan presumably carried him on TV at some point during his run? Kudos to him for taking the abuse he did here, but I couldn't point to anything else he did to make this match interesting. The Cesaro match from 2/2014 is great, even better than Cesaro's match with Cena that month. Also I thought his selling in this match was really good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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