Comments that don't warrant a thread - Part 4

[...TG]

The first "trailer" for the HBO/Bill Simmons Andre the Giant documentary is out. (I don't know how to embed YouTube videos, sorry.) It's basically nothing, not even a teaser really. Given it's a Simmons production, I'm expecting mostly drinking stories.

[cad]

 

 

 

Can anyone who knows a good amount about about lucha (which is my one of my wrestling blindspots) recommend me some Blue Panther matches that are available online? or a comp I could inquire about? after hearing Bryan put him over so much in a video where he received a Blue Panther mask and spoke about his great work I feel like I absolutely need to learn more about him and check out his work.

 

I'd argue that you can't just jump into Blue Panther without some legwork to prepare you though.

 

I'd argue the opposite. For the most part, you can watch Blue Panther's big matches and just from those get a sense of who he was, what he did well, and what the match was about. Maybe he changed as he got older but in his thirties Panther didn't surround his singles matches with the kind of buildup and followup that make for great feuds and add to the one on one match.

 

I think it works for the Barr match and for some of the fun stuff that's popped up in Japan where Panther's working more broadly as a stereotypical rudo, but in general, you understand what makes Blue Panther so special, you need to understand lucha (trios organization and how he's so good at directing traffic, how title matches operate and why, the role he played when teaming with guys like Fuerza, what makes maestros matches special, etc.). Otherwise, he's just a guy who can get in and out of matwork quickly. I assume Bryan sees more in him than that but who knows?

 

Technical matches are not something unique to Mexico. Kurt Angle vs Chris Benoit was wrestled with the same sort of principles as those of a Blue Panther title match, even though the styles were different. Anyone watching Blue Panther vs Atlantis is going to quickly understand what is going on, although some might wonder why Panther does not just kick Atlantis in the leg over and over.

 

The Love Machine matches are the ones where I think you'd MOST want to watch the six mans that surround the famous matches, but then if someone asks for a best of Blue Panther recommendation I'm probably not going to suggest watching him against Love Machine.

[Matt D]

 

 

 

 

Can anyone who knows a good amount about about lucha (which is my one of my wrestling blindspots) recommend me some Blue Panther matches that are available online? or a comp I could inquire about? after hearing Bryan put him over so much in a video where he received a Blue Panther mask and spoke about his great work I feel like I absolutely need to learn more about him and check out his work.

 

I'd argue that you can't just jump into Blue Panther without some legwork to prepare you though.

 

I'd argue the opposite. For the most part, you can watch Blue Panther's big matches and just from those get a sense of who he was, what he did well, and what the match was about. Maybe he changed as he got older but in his thirties Panther didn't surround his singles matches with the kind of buildup and followup that make for great feuds and add to the one on one match.

 

I think it works for the Barr match and for some of the fun stuff that's popped up in Japan where Panther's working more broadly as a stereotypical rudo, but in general, you understand what makes Blue Panther so special, you need to understand lucha (trios organization and how he's so good at directing traffic, how title matches operate and why, the role he played when teaming with guys like Fuerza, what makes maestros matches special, etc.). Otherwise, he's just a guy who can get in and out of matwork quickly. I assume Bryan sees more in him than that but who knows?

 

Technical matches are not something unique to Mexico. Kurt Angle vs Chris Benoit was wrestled with the same sort of principles as those of a Blue Panther title match, even though the styles were different. Anyone watching Blue Panther vs Atlantis is going to quickly understand what is going on, although some might wonder why Panther does not just kick Atlantis in the leg over and over.

 

The Love Machine matches are the ones where I think you'd MOST want to watch the six mans that surround the famous matches, but then if someone asks for a best of Blue Panther recommendation I'm probably not going to suggest watching him against Love Machine.

 

Have you seen Kurt Angle vs Chris Benoit lately? I'm not sure that's the best example. You don't usually see multiple German suplexes in a Blue Panther match. I get what you're saying though and no, it's not completely alien. I'd put it this way and you're free to disagree.

 

What makes Blue Panther so good is clearly evident in his matches. What makes him so great, however, requires an understanding of the nuance. Could you say the same thing about a Jerry Lawler (for example)? Maybe?

 

As for Panther vs Love Machine, there's understanding the story and understanding the style and those are two different things.

[SPS]

Thanks to everyone with all the Blue Panther recommendations, I'll binge it this weekend and let everyone know how it goes.

[ButchReedMark]

 

I laugh every time the Toyota Camry commercial that uses John Cena's theme music comes on.

I like how there are "jbl" speakers. Of course, this isnt the first time Toyota and the WWF/E have met:

 

 

 

UNBEATABLE TRACTION!

 

[Mad Dog]

Matt Sydal just continues to piss his talent and career away.

[EricR]

I'm going to be in Portland, OR from 12/9-12/12, does anyone here know of any wrestling shows in PDX or the surrounding areas? PM me

[cheapshot]

Matt Sydal just continues to piss smoke his talent and career away.

 

Fixed.

[Edwin]

MLW is holding another event on Thursday at the GILT Nightclub in Orlando.

 

The card looks pretty good on paper:

 

Matt Riddle vs. Tom Lawlor

Shane Stickland and John Hennigan vs. Darby Allan and Jimmy Havoc in a hardcore tag match

MVP vs. Brody King

Santana Garrett vs. Laurel Van Ness

Joey Ryan vs. MJF

Sammy Guevara vs. Jason Cade

Jimmy Yuta vs. Vandal Ortagun

Mike Parrow vs. Saieve Al Sabah

Seth Petruzelli and Rhett Giddins vs. the Dirty Blondes

 

I missed their last show and kinda regret it, so I'm possibly picking tickets up tonight for this one. Really looking forward to Riddle vs. Lawlor and the hardcore tag match.

[Cornette's racket]

So I see Kevin Owens seems to have cheating on his wife five times according to her. It does put a different spin on why he went home from the South American tour recently.

[PeteF3]

Karina Steen just Tweeted that she got hacked. Owens deleted his media accounts, according to her, so that he wouldn't get hacked also.

[Cornette's racket]

Karina Steen just Tweeted that she got hacked. Owens deleted his media accounts, according to her, so that he wouldn't get hacked also.

Well okay then.

[Flyin' Brian]

 

 

 

 

I laugh every time the Toyota Camry commercial that uses John Cena's theme music comes on.

I like how there are "jbl" speakers. Of course, this isnt the first time Toyota and the WWF/E have met:

 

UNBEATABLE TRACTION!

 

Those old ads are great.

[Edwin]

That MLW show in Orlando last night was a ton of fun.

 

Darby Allin and Jimmy Havoc vs. Shane Strickland and John Hennigan was great. Curious to see how it comes across on video. Allin maybe the craziest dude in wrestling currently.

 

Was looking forward to Matt Riddle vs. Tom Lawlor, but it was one of the first matches and I missed most of it. Riddle and Jeff Cobb vs. Tom Lawlor and whoever he chooses as a partner.

 

I'll definitely be back next month for the next show.

[C.S.]

Matt Sydal just continues to piss his talent and career away.

 

...nosedive

[With Coil]

Tylene Buck's Twitter is my new favorite thing.

 

I am absolutely fascinated by WCW 1999-2001. TNA at both its Best and its Worst is nowhere near as entertaining to me.

[El-P]

Tylene Buck's Twitter is my new favorite thing.

 

I am absolutely fascinated by WCW 1999-2001.

 

Well, have fun if you want :

 

http://prowrestlingonly.com/index.php?/topic/19237-wcws-highway-to-hell/

[With Coil]

I remember reading that as a lurker. I was born in 1992 and my first exposure to wrestling was Channel 5 (UK) WCW Worldwide as a seven year old. I remember a lot of it. IMO the best opening to any wrestling show ever. The whole satellite and cool music and dude in the shades got me so pumped. It was, like, a recap show with a Latino commentator (they said Oscar Gutierrez so I'm sure they were ribbing. I still have no idea who the guy was) and Scott Hudson (whom I liked a lot and still do). They also had the Batman KAPOW! and that kind of stuff. On this particular episode they showed..

 

Thunder

Buff Bagwell vs. Vampiro with Dr. Death Steve Williams beating the Misfits with Oklahoma.. who showed up ringside for whatever reason.

Sting vs. Lex Luger.. Luger had Sting face paint and and wrestled in a shirt and pants. Elizabeth showed up and kinda distracted Sting by getting knocked over by him. I forget the result. I clearly forget a lot of this match and what the story was about.

Chris Benoit vs. Bret Hart © for the WCW World Heavyweight Championship. I was in awe of Benoit's offence. He felt so real to seven year old me. I'm not a fan of him nowadays. Not because of the murder-suicide but because he, along with Eddie, Malenko and others, just doesn't do anything for me. I never feel anything whenever I see them wrestle. I was also in awe of Hart.. more so because he was a man who wore pink and I was a little shit seven year old at the time and wondered why a man would wear pink. They felt so special to me. Jarrett showed up and spray painted Benoit after using a guitar on him. Then Goldberg comes out and nails Jarrett before chasing after Hart who escaped in a limo. Goldberg was showed slamming his fists onto the limo and I was awe of him. They did not show him punching through the window.

I remember the Latino commentator talking up the nWo all through the show and saying how he'd hung out with the boys in the Caribbean and getting mad because he said Caribbean different to how I would say it. Potato potato. I have a fantastic memory at times.

 

Nitro

Jeff Jarrett © vs. Billy Kidman for the United States Heavyweight Championship. I liked Jarrett a lot and I remember loving this match as a kid. Kidman wasn't all that to me. Still isn't. The nWo I had heard so much about showed up.. and I was in awe of Kevin Nash. I still am. A huge fan I am. He was so big and had a baseball bat which he used to knocked Kidman off the top rope. Jarrett won.

Lethal Lottery: David Flair and TBA vs. Evan Karagias and Vampiro. Flair originally was supposed to team with a man called The Maestro.. he gets absolutely twatted by a man called Crowbar wielding a crowbar or a pipe or some shit and I was instantly a fan. Crowbar and Flair and Daffney were so weird and awesome to me. Latino commentator talks in a funny voice and is sort of roleplaying as Crowbar and Flair as they walk down the aisle and then says "Oh Vampiro's coming out!" in a sort of campy Vampire accent as Vampiro dives onto the pair outside before the match even begins. I loved Vampiro so much. Vampiro and Evan did not get along and I still to this day mark out when he back body drops Shane Helms and Shannon Moore over the top rope. It was so fucking awesome. I remember Flair's stomps sucking even as a child. I knew wrestling was fake but I just couldn't help thinking wth? when he was stomping away. Flair got destroyed by Vampiro's Nail in the Coffin. Crowbar twats Vampiro with his weapon and he and Flair win.

Lethal Lottery: Kevin Nash vs. The Wall and TBA. Nash says Hall hasn't arrived. He gets interrupted by The Wall whom I instantly find awesome and I still love his theme music to this day. Wall stops and waits on his mystery partner and I instantly become a Sid Vicious fan. He fist bumps the fans and looks like an absolute animal. Sid is still one of my favorite wrestlers to this day. I remember finding him so magnetic/couldn't take my eyes off him as a kid and I still think that now. He felt special to seven year old me. His rip off music is still awesome. A nothing match which I loved as a kid because it was three huge guys bombing each other. nWo keeps getting involved and this pisses off Sid. I was so entertained. Its a little hazy now but I remember Benoit running out and leveling Nash with a vicious punch which I loved. I remember Big Poppa Pump coming out and him pretending to be hurt before joining the nWo. Oh if only I knew how much I would love this old looking dude called Scott Steiner during this era as an adult.. The end was the nWo putting Sid in a car and Nash being laid down on the front of it as it was driven out of the building. I thought he was coolest motherfucker ever. Just chilled out as the fliers or whatever drop from the ceiling. A monster truck runs over the car with Sid in it.

 

I had no idea who was who at the time and why I should care about any of them but I loved it. I absolutely loved it. It was so fucking awesome to me. I know now that it was a company dying of thirst out in the middle of nowhere but I still find myself entertained by that period of time. I know after 1997 that the Monday Night Wars takes a nosedive into a lot of whatever.. I dunno. I still enjoy it a lot. It's not nostalgia or anything like that because, as I said, my first exposure to wrestling was in 1999 and I only saw the arse end of the MNW.

[C.S.]

I remember reading that as a lurker. I was born in 1992 and my first exposure to wrestling was Channel 5 (UK) WCW Worldwide as a seven year old. I remember a lot of it. IMO the best opening to any wrestling show ever. The whole satellite and cool music and dude in the shades got me so pumped. It was, like, a recap show with a Latino commentator (they said Oscar Gutierrez so I'm sure they were ribbing. I still have no idea who the guy was) and Scott Hudson (whom I liked a lot and still do).

 

Awesome, awesome post!

 

I've spent the past 20 minutes trying to Google more information about who this host could have been, but nothing.

 

Is it possible that it actually was Rey?

 

Nah, he was unmasked by then, so probably not, right?

[With Coil]

Okay.. I decided to take a look myself C.S. and I was just typing random stuff in and I came across a video just a few minutes ago called WCW funny commentary. It seems to be from the UK Worldwide show because it's Scott Hudson, Larry Zbyszko, Tony Schiavone and a chap called Armando Quintero. I cannot remember Larry or Tony being on commentary at all but some of clips from the video were from shows I remember watching as a child and even some of Scott Hudson's commentary. I have a fantastic memory at times. Our man Armando's voice is the Latino commentator I remember and I also remember some of his lines just like I remember some of Hudson's lines! I've spent years wondering who the hell that guy was and now I know. One of the clips featured (which blew me away) is the Jarrett-Kidman match I talked about in my original post. The very first wrestling show I ever watched. I even remember both Hudson and Quintero's commentary.

[iamthedoctor]

You can call Bret selfish and a mark for himself, but imagine you give a guy a clean win at WrestleMania in the first ever 60 man iron man match in the WWF, and then you're told at the next WrestleMania you're going to have a rematch and win it back- only to have the other competitor lose his smile and pull excuse after excuse as to why he won't return the favor. Bret may have been a bit of a baby but there was no one more of a baby at the time than HBK. How many times did he vacant titles just so he couldn't lose them? Imagine going to work and having to deal with a guy like that on a daily basis and then hearing that before you leave, you once again have to lose clean to him. I don't blame Bret for feeling the way he did. He offered to lose clean to Stone Cold or Shamrock before he left, only to have it shut down. We've all worked with that one guy we couldn't stand before. Now imagine having to do them a favor before you left and moved on to a different job. I'm sure you'd have some reservations as well. Let's also not forget that Bret, at first, turned down Turner for less money and was going to stay loyal to the WWF, only to have Vince back out of the contract and say he couldn't live up to it.

 

How many people would have done that?

[BruiserBrody]

What is this!? Mooney is gone from WWF at this point, Gorilla is "Bob" and Heenan comes in as a guest in spite being in WCW at the time. Crazy!

[Matt D]

Mooney talked about that on his podcast about Monsoon and Heenan.

[Victator]

Karina Steen just Tweeted that she got hacked. Owens deleted his media accounts, according to her, so that he wouldn't get hacked also.

Do people who say that end up really being hacked?

 

I think Owens had a "I don't want to be in South America emergency."

[Johnny Sorrow]

Yeah, I don't recall the two stories being connected. And if they were, apparently what happened freaked out his family enough to make him say " I have to go to my family." That's an admirable thing. That tour was a big deal, Owens would never have left unless it was important

Again, are you sure you're not mixing stories that support some feelings you have about these guys that are more about you, bro?