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  1. 1. Should we change our Japanese booking?

    • We stick to the schedule of pre-determined gaijin tours and follow it with the promoters and some leeway
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    • We scrap the would be plans and then put together new plans with the new promoters
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So the great news is that 1985 is going to see the true return of All Japan and New Japan to the 1983 project as we head into the new year. Now before this, we have simply followed specific tour dates, not know what our talent is doing over there... the game has changed.

 

Thunderlips has taken control of All Japan

Gordi ha taken control of New Japan

 

As Gordi brought up... with the promotions being run by real people... we can now possibly look at how the gaijin and touring talent.

 

I am going to put it up for a vote... we have got

 

  1. WWF
  2. USWA
  3. MACW
  4. AWA
  5. Lutte
  6. CCW
  7. Memphis
  8. All Japan
  9. New Japan

With 9 people... that will be a way for us to break up any ties.

 

I see the two options being...

 

1. We stick to the schedule of predetermined gaijin tours and follow it with the promoters with perhaps some leeway.

 

2. We scrap the would be plans and then put together new plans with the new promoters.

 

Like Gordi put out... US promotions always have the opportunity to say no... so we will have to work around that... but I think everyone is in this game to work together so we can figure that out.

 

I can change up the poll if we think things need to change... let's keep this discussion on here.

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Thanks, LowBlow.

 

My thinking is this: Sticking to the predetermined gaiin touring schedule prevents arguments and avoids hard feelings, so there is a big advantage to that.

 

On the other hand, it locks Thunderlips and I into a particular schedule and it limits creativity and working together. If I want to read about what actually happened in New Japan in 1985, I can. It's all online already. It would be way more challenging, but potentially also way more fun, to try and book my own version of - for example - the 1985 tag league and to try and talk you guys into letting some of your top stars come over for tours or for shows.

 

Otherwise, all I really have control over is match results.

 

I'm pretty confident that I can book decent cards around my main roster with co-operative participation with the US promoters. I'm hopeful that the US promoters would be generous and flexible in working together.

 

So, I would vote that we either scrap the predetermined plans altogether or allow for a **lot** of leeway.

 

The exception would be if most of the US promoters have already laid out their plans for 1985, figuring the predetermined dates in already.If that is the case, Then maybe proceed with leeway now and re-examine the question around the start of 1986.

 

Also: I absolutely will not be butt-hurt if the voting goes the other way. I'm happy enough to work wit the pre-existing schedule. I would be slightly happier to have more flexibility but it's not the end of the world if I get "stuck with" the awesome list of visiting gaijin that LoBlow posted for 1985.

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Thanks, LowBlow.

 

My thinking is this: Sticking to the predetermined gaiin touring schedule prevents arguments and avoids hard feelings, so there is a big advantage to that.

 

On the other hand, it locks Thunderlips and I into a particular schedule and it limits creativity and working together. If I want to read about what actually happened in New Japan in 1985, I can. It's all online already. It would be way more challenging, but potentially also way more fun, to try and book my own version of - for example - the 1985 tag league and to try and talk you guys into letting some of your top stars come over for tours or for shows.

 

Otherwise, all I really have control over is match results.

 

I'm pretty confident that I can book decent cards around my main roster with co-operative participation with the US promoters. I'm hopeful that the US promoters would be generous and flexible in working together.

 

So, I would vote that we either scrap the predetermined plans altogether or allow for a **lot** of leeway.

 

The exception would be if most of the US promoters have already laid out their plans for 1985, figuring the predetermined dates in already.If that is the case, Then maybe proceed with leeway now and re-examine the question around the start of 1986.

 

I think with there being 18 days until 1985 we have got plenty of time to work around schedules. In reality if we have enough of a warning or foresight... everything can be worked out.

 

This is a positive game changer... both ways have their positives but I am willing to go out on a limb that with notice, everyone is willing to share and work things out.

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Im all for scraping the schedule and working with the Japanese promoters. I have plans for 1985, but this game is always changing, always evolving. My plans change constantly, with trades, drafts, etc. Also, as long as my top two/three angles are going along, the rest of my stuff can be super flexible.

 

Also, welcome to the game gentlemen. I am looking forward to working with all the new bookers going forward. :)

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Very happy to see gordi joining us in the 1983 Project.

 

I agree that we should give every chance possible for Thunderlips & gordi to benefit from the same creative advantages that we do in North America. I believe it's only fair that we work together to come up with a consensus that will work for everybody in the end. And like my fellow NWA member just said, plans change constantly for various factors so nothing can really be set in stone in long-term. I think everyone can work around sudden unexpected changes and this one is no different!

 

So, let's gather around and have more fun! :)

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Question?

 

Would anyone object if I take UWA/CMLL merge them and run Mexico as one promotion in 1985?

 

You'd get one Arena Mexico show a week, filled with trios and the occasional angle leading to a hair or mask match.

I'd personally love to have Mexico involved. We'd have to work out a few kinks but I'd be all for it.

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Question?

 

Would anyone object if I take UWA/CMLL merge them and run Mexico as one promotion in 1985?

 

You'd get one Arena Mexico show a week, filled with trios and the occasional angle leading to a hair or mask match.

I'd personally love to have Mexico involved. We'd have to work out a few kinks but I'd be all for it.

 

I'd be cool with maybe like one foreigner, so it's not too bad. Rosters are untouched in this game, so it's an easy start. Just let me know roster limits or whatever.

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So would you just get both the rosters and then make a hybrid roster of both and keep within the 46 limit? We could set up Mexican excursions from us guys and vice versa and then you'd set up the Mexican free agents to pick from

Yep, sounds good.

 

Way under the 46 limit, as CMLL runs about a 5 match card consisting of trios, which is 30 people. So more like a 34 person roster.

 

As long as I don't have to run things, and write the shows mostly only, I am good. More than that, is too much time for me, unfortunately.

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Thanks, LowBlow.

 

My thinking is this: Sticking to the predetermined gaiin touring schedule prevents arguments and avoids hard feelings, so there is a big advantage to that.

 

On the other hand, it locks Thunderlips and I into a particular schedule and it limits creativity and working together. If I want to read about what actually happened in New Japan in 1985, I can. It's all online already. It would be way more challenging, but potentially also way more fun, to try and book my own version of - for example - the 1985 tag league and to try and talk you guys into letting some of your top stars come over for tours or for shows.

 

Otherwise, all I really have control over is match results.

 

I'm pretty confident that I can book decent cards around my main roster with co-operative participation with the US promoters. I'm hopeful that the US promoters would be generous and flexible in working together.

 

So, I would vote that we either scrap the predetermined plans altogether or allow for a **lot** of leeway.

 

The exception would be if most of the US promoters have already laid out their plans for 1985, figuring the predetermined dates in already.If that is the case, Then maybe proceed with leeway now and re-examine the question around the start of 1986.

 

Also: I absolutely will not be butt-hurt if the voting goes the other way. I'm happy enough to work wit the pre-existing schedule. I would be slightly happier to have more flexibility but it's not the end of the world if I get "stuck with" the awesome list of visiting gaijin that LoBlow posted for 1985.

 

I'd prefer the predetermined dates as well. That's how I planned everything out. I still think that it would allow New/All Japan to work together at least several times a year. You want it to be special. I would compare it to the real life NJPW/ROH situation. It use to be special when NJPW would have wrestlers appear on ROH shows, no it seems like a regular thing and it loses it's appeal.

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Im all for scraping the schedule and working with the Japanese promoters. I have plans for 1985, but this game is always changing, always evolving. My plans change constantly, with trades, drafts, etc. Also, as long as my top two/three angles are going along, the rest of my stuff can be super flexible.

 

Also, welcome to the game gentlemen. I am looking forward to working with all the new bookers going forward. :)

 

The problem with that is that the Japanese promotions aren't allowed to be in the fresh face draft.

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Option 2: Scrap the tours as now there are actually people to make deals with.

 

Don't like that idea one bit. It really screws over the Japanese promoters and allows the US promotions to essentially not have to send anyone over if they don't want to. I took AJPW over because I knew that I would get certain talent for a period every year. Example, Stan Hansen works for me 88 times in 1985. That's an opportunity that I wouldn't have without the pre-arranged tours.

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Sorry for the long post, but:

 

I want Thunderlips to know that I have had ZERO problems working with the other promoters in this project so far. Everyone has been generous, flexible, enthusiastic, co-operative... You really couldn't ask for a better group of guys to work with.

 

I guess there's a slim chance that having both New Japan and All Japan regularly trying to book gaijin workers could end up making some folks' enthusiasm wear thin in a year or so, but I see absolutely no sign of that at this point. I don't think it will ever be a real issue. I really, really like how it adds an element of challenge and co-operation to the game.

 

I think it also forces us (the Japanese promoters) to book the visiting wrestlers well, because using them well hopefully mans that there won't be any big problem booking them again in the future. If the US promoters HAVE TO send specific guys at specific times, there's nothing to prevent us from just jobbing them out or using them wrong.

 

That being said: It would be helpful to know who the freelancers are going to be in 1985. If it's already been posted somewhere, apologize... but I couldn't find it. In December '84, you had Andre, Terry, Brody, Abdullah, Mascaras, and Hansen. Those guys are all huge names in Japan and true game-changers for booking shows, obviously. Knowing that they will be coming regularly would be a huge help. If it's the same guys (or a similar list) in 1985, that takes tons of pressure off of Thunderlips and I when it comes to booking tours and shows.

 

In order to make it easier to book in the future for people sending wrestlers over and for people wanting to use guys who are on my roster, I set up a full schedule with specific dates for the year. I have to hope that won't conflict with the Freelance schedule.

 

Also, Thunderlips and I will have to work out which freelancers will work for AJPW and which for NJPW. "Real life" 1985 booking (combined with friendly negotiation) might be the best way to do that.

 

Anyway, in my opinion: It's like a security blanket knowing that I can count on Brody or Andre or Terry coming over at a certain time. On the other hand, knowing that I have to book around a large pre-set list of gaijin wrestlers coming over at pre-set dates is more like a straight-jacket.

 

Again, I have had ZERO issues negotiating to bring over midcard guys. I've had ZERO issues negotiating to bring over Main Eventers and huge superstars. I haven't got exactly what I asked for every single time but literally everyone is reasonable about saying "no" and generally they also have a good plan B to offer me. The year hasn't even started yet and I have already had a couple of promoters offer to send guys over because they need to get them out of the territory for story-line reasons or to cool them down It's perfect. It benefits us both. It's a piece of cake!

 

The Freelancers system should make sure that we (the Japanese promoters) are able to book big shows and tournaments with 100 percent confidence that a big name or two will be available to us at that time.

 

Other than that, negotiating for the other gaijin visiting workers adds elements of challenge, fun, and co-operation to the game, and gives us more flexibility in our booking.

 

The flexibility is really important: For example, assuming that Thunderlips is planning to follow the existing AJPW schedule, I was able to book my Tag Fest in February so that it won't conflict at all with AJPW's Tag League. I was able to to book an overseas tour where I won't need gaijin superstars on my cards during October, so that my booking hopefully won't interfere with the Champion's Carnival. "In real life" the IWGP Tag Team League and Real World Tag League were booked in opposition in Nov/Dec '85. I don't think that would be the best situation for this project, so I figure it's a good thing that it's possible to flex out of that.

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I think there was still some discussion to be had regarding the freelancers... in January it will be Brody, Hansen, Abdullah, and Mil Mascaras. Andre goes to the WWF (even though he'll tour) and MACW got Funk.

 

All Japan

Stan Hansen 3/29/85 - 4/25/85 , 5/10/85 - 5/16/85 , 6/28/85 - 7/31/85 , 8/23/85 - 8/31/85 , 11/23/85 - 12/12/85

Bruiser Brody 2/22/85 - 3/14/85

For New Japan
Bruiser Brody 4/18 - 10/4-10/31, 11/15 - 12/11
These are now just details in which everyone can work out the other customizable parts.
Thunderlips - I know you've been gone and this just kind of happened, but as long as you are, everyone is willing to work to make it out. I have guys already booked to New Japan and I plan on keeping a lot of the guys available for you for All Japan... just talk to us and we'll get it figured out.
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Im all for scraping the schedule and working with the Japanese promoters. I have plans for 1985, but this game is always changing, always evolving. My plans change constantly, with trades, drafts, etc. Also, as long as my top two/three angles are going along, the rest of my stuff can be super flexible.

 

Also, welcome to the game gentlemen. I am looking forward to working with all the new bookers going forward. :)

 

The problem with that is that the Japanese promotions aren't allowed to be in the fresh face draft.

 

 

I have said this multiple times... we are not going to give up US talent to come over and be Japan exclusive. There are Japanese free agents and fresh faces. We will work out those details. It is simply part of the process. There are a ton of Japanese wrestlers who debut in 85 and 86. If we figure out a way for them to be part of it... we can add you guys in the draft but only allow you to pick from the Japanese talent.

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Thanks for the info re: free agents, hopefully we can build that up a little going forward.

 

A smart solution to Fresh Faces and Free Agents might be to have Japan-exclusive Free Agents (guys like Fujiwara and Maeda who weren't working for AJPW or NJPW in 1985, but were working in Japan) and a J-exclusive draft for Japanese natives like Asai, Hase, and Kensuke. Won't be a ton of them, but there are only two Japanese promotions so it balances out

 

American promoters wanting to use those guys could then book them through us, like we book gaijin visitors now.

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Thanks for the info re: free agents, hopefully we can build that up a little going forward.

 

A smart solution to Fresh Faces and Free Agents might be to have Japan-exclusive Free Agents (guys like Fujiwara and Maeda who weren't working for AJPW or NJPW in 1985, but were working in Japan) and a J-exclusive draft for Japanese natives like Asai, Hase, and Kensuke. Won't be a ton of them, but there are only two Japanese promotions so it balances out

 

American promoters wanting to use those guys could then book them through us, like we book gaijin visitors now.

 

 

Exactly. I will just need your guys help putting together those lists for the Japanese talent.

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Here's a list of guys not currently on any roster (that I could find) who worked in Japan but not for AJPW or NJPW in 1985 (As far as I can tell):

 

Akira Maeda

Yoshiaki Fujiwara

Nobuhiko Takada

Satoru Sayama

Kazuo Yamazaki

Yoji Anjo

Marty Jones

Osamu Kido

Mach Hayato

Masami Soranaka

Jack Snuka (Coco Samoa)

Yukoh Miyato

Hopefully someone more knowledgeable in this area can add to and/or revise this list.

Another interesting question: Should we divide them up? Or use them as real Free Agents who can work for either of us at different times?

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