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#141 KawadaSmile

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Posted 18 July 2017 - 11:39 PM

Yes to Braun vs Roman at GBOF. So many great moments between those two, from Roman wailing at Braun with a chair to no avail, to that slick spear into the ambulance, to a batshit insane post-match that made both guys look like absolute monsters. Great stuff.



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Posted 08 August 2017 - 10:38 PM

Nominating: Minoru Suzuki vs. Kazuchika Okada (NJPW, 8/8)



#143 Boss Rock

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Posted 11 August 2017 - 12:37 PM

Yes on Okada-Suzuki 8/8. When first watching it, I thought to myself "This is good, but I think the New Beginning match was better". Looking back, this match was definitely better than New Beginning. While NB had a great heel performance by Suzuki and Okada did a good job playing the resilient babyface, the limb selling on offense was a bit too problematic at times and was at least 10 minutes longer than it needed to be. This one didn't focus on any limbwork to be ignored and was just back-and-forth violence. It's like they took the face slapping sequence from the NB match and expanded upon it. Suzuki challenging the young ace to step up to him and Okada doing his best to go blow-for-blow (and trying to stick it to Suzuki with the Gotch-styled tombstone). And even though it was 30 minutes, it felt about 10 minutes shorter and did not drag at all.



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Posted 11 August 2017 - 12:43 PM

Yes on Braun-Roman 7/9. These two have arguably had the best rivalry of the year and think this was their best outing. Loved the story of Roman going for broke but absolutely nothing he did could stop the monster. And when he finally did get the advantage, he made one mistake and ended up losing because of it. And while I think it made for a good story and was certainly creative, the ending DID feel a tad cheap (although that was rectified by the post-match angle). Still, of all the violent encounters between Braun and Roman, this was the most entertainingly violent.



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Posted 11 August 2017 - 01:08 PM

Nominating: Kenny Omega vs. Tomohiro Ishii (G1 Special in USA)

 

Longer than their previous encounters, but arguably the best and perfect way to cap off their trilogy. Back-and-forth, violent, great escalation, and some fantastic character work from Ishii, who plays a tremendous babyface.



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Posted 11 August 2017 - 11:16 PM

YES to:

 

Minoru Suzuki vs. Kazuchika Okada (NJPW 8/8)

 

So Minoru Suzuki is a boss. Was there anyone here who didn't know that yet? This was pure and simple a story of the two guys trying to one-up each other and basically beat the shit out of each other. Probably my favorite Okada performance to date, he's able to subtly play heel against Minoru who was performing in front of his hometown crowd. Especially love Okada's face after he hit the Gotch Tombstone, the cheeky bastard. Loved Minoru tying up Okada into knots on the ground, thought that was really entertaining. Then the slaps. OH GLORY the slaps. Just violent and entirely compelling and the trade offs between Piledrivers and Rainmakers worked incredibly well too. Fantastic match, right up there with Ibushi-Naito.

 

****3/4



#147 SmartMark15

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Posted 13 August 2017 - 10:05 AM

Oh boy, we've got a lot of ground to cover.

 

My G1 Nominations aka How I Learned To Stop Worrying and Love The Finishers

 

NOMINATING: 

 

Hiroshi Tanahashi vs. Tetsuya Naito (NJPW 8/12)

 

 

This was just awesome. Absolutely loved the dueling limbwork from both guys and the way they kept returning to it in order to facilitate the momentum shifts in the match. This is the best I've ever seen Tanahashi performing at because his arm selling has been through the roof throughout this G1. Naito, on the other hand, just exudes so much charisma and charm that everything he does feels urgent and exciting. His stalling tactics are crazy levels of entertaining and trolling. The finishing stretch following the Texas Cloverleaf was great. Loved that Tanahashi was undone by his ridiculous need to go for another High Fly Flow. Great match.

 

****1/2

 

 

Kenny Omega vs. Kazuchika Okada (NJPW 8/13)

 

 

Well. It's about goddamn time.

 

As has been discussed and speculated since the announcement, the 30 minute time limit finally cut all the indulgent and dragging bullshit from their second (and first) match and we're left with the juicy, juicy, tasty lovely wonderful meat of the matches. From the frantic 100mph pace that opened the match with the finisher attempts playing into the rumors/speculation that this might end incredibly quick all the way to that brutal floor Reverse Rana that Okada sold LIKE DEATH. Props to Okada for really upping his selling game for the G1 because this may be the most consistent he's ever sold a body part in his entire career. In the past week alone, Okada's put in his two best ever performances in my opinion (vs. Suzuki and now vs. Omega). That Reverse Rana and the subsequent Dragon Suplex on the apron FINALLY added some real stakes to these matches they've been doing. For the first time, someone in these matches seemed legitimately vulnerable instead of two guys just trading a bunch of moves. Can I just say that Okada's German Suplexes are some of the grittiest most violent versions of the move I've ever seen? They're fantastic. Follow that up with a blistering hot finishing stretch with Okada's undoing being his compulsion to do sixty million Rainmakers in one match (same thing happened to Tanahashi the night before with his High Fly Flows) and Omega is finally able to get his elusive victory over the new Ace. YOU FINALLY DID IT, BOYS. I KNEW YOU HAD IT IN YOU.

 

*****

 

Kenny Omega vs. Tetsuya Naito (NJPW 8/14)

 

 

I don't know, guys. I think they broke me. Perhaps I just understand the "grammar" of this style more now or perhaps they really just have finally refined this main event NJPW style to something that I completely enjoy because I LOVED THIS. 

 

It starts off a little slow but without much of the meandering matwork that comes from matches earlier in the year. Here, they go right for the good juicy meaty stuff. Lots of mind games from both guys as expected and lots of personality. Both guys target the neck relentlessly and there are some pretty fantastic moments that surround it. Omega not being able to complete his usual kip up and springboard was MASTERFUL (5 star moment). Omega stayed fairly consistent with his neck selling all throughout the match too and god knows it played right into the finish as well. Naito meanwhile put in what might be one hell of a babyface performance. He looked amazing taking just a BRUTAL beating from Omega. I have so much love for Omega's repeated and deliberate V Triggers all building up to that glorious callback of Naito collapsing just as Omega went in for one more (5 star moment). It was a great spot at Dominion and it's a great spot here. Then you have that ridiculous top rope DDT into the ring post and a whole series of bumps that people really shouldn't be taking (face first into the turnbuckle off the top, top rope powerbomb countered into Rana, etc.). Loved the desperation of Naito at the finishing stretch trying to hit any variation of Destino possible to get a pinfall. He probably went for one too many but that is a minuscule nitpick to this match.

 

Is this the MOTY? It just might be. It really just might be. While Okada-Omega III had the blistering pace and the down to earth story, this seemed to perfect the more theatrical elements that something like the Dominion match aspired for.

 

Whoa, boy, what a G1.

 

*****



#148 Boss Rock

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Posted 15 August 2017 - 07:35 PM

Yes on Okada-Omega G1. Here's what I said in the Match Discussion Archive:

 

 

I really liked the first two matches (the Dominion one was a MOTYC for me), but this one corrected the issues with the first two: get rid of the fluff, focus on the action. And oh boy did they ever. I knew Omega was winning because the champion going to the finals would render the WK main event pointless, but they really had me believing at times that Okada would pull it off. Microstatistics brings up a good point about Kenny being a bit too quick to recover and counter the two Rainmakers, but I'm nitpicking at this point because I loved everything else. 24 minutes of balls to the wall action with some of the best drama I've seen this year.

 

*****



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Posted 15 August 2017 - 08:11 PM

Yes on Naito-Omega.

 

It's not always easy to give a match a "big fight feel", but with the entrances, the staredown, and the crowd reaction, you could FEEL the stakes of this match. You could feel that apart from the champion Okada, Kenny and Naito were the top dogs of New Japan and that only one of them would earn the right to challenge Okada's status as ace. And then the match started. This was a NJPW main event doing King's Road to perfection. There was a very clear and logical sense of escalation, with each spot getting bigger and bigger. And instead of relying solely on signature moves and finisher attempts, there were incredibly creative spots such as Kenny DDT'ing Naito onto the ring post from the turnbuckle. Though it seemed certain Naito was going to win, there were legitimately times that it looked like Kenny would pull it off. Creating a sense of doubt even when the conclusion seems forgone seems like a bit of a lost art these days, which is a shame considering it's a quality that always elevates a match to the next level. The main story was Naito targeting Kenny's neck, hitting a particularly nasty piledriver on the announce table in the process. Meanwhile, Kenny took the same deliberate approach he did in the Okada match, most evident when he hit the two standing V-Triggers. There was also a great callback to Okada-Omega at Dominion, with Naito collapsing in exhaustion during a V-Trigger attempt. And while the end may have used a finisher too many, it ultimately furthered that sense of doubt as to who would walk away the winner.

 

I feel like me trying to put this match into words can't do it justice. Just watch it. It's probably my number 1 pick for Match of the Year in a year that's had a boatload of great matches.

 

*****



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Posted 21 August 2017 - 03:02 PM

Nominating: Braun Strowman vs. Samoa Joe vs. Brock Lesnar vs. Roman Reigns

 

Holy hell was this good. This was a literal clash of the titans. I think the best way to describe this match would be if you were to combine the Braun-Roman matches, the Brock-Joe match, and the Royal Rumble 2015 triple-threat match. The first 10 minutes of this were some of the most insane I've seen in recent memory, with Reigns spearing Lesnar through the barricade and Braun just absolutely laying waste to everyone. And although the match never quite reaches the heights of the first 10 minutes, the action never relents for a second. Braun was the star of this match but the other three had their times to shine. Brock in particular continued to prove he's one of the best sellers in the business when it came to Braun manhandling him. Speaking of Brock and Braun, they did a great job building towards a singles match for these two. The tiniest of quibbles I have of this match is your standard "two guys sell like death while two other guys work a spot" with Brock and Braun. Although considering Joe and Reigns had just been beaned with an office chair, it kinda makes sense. I don't think it's hyperbole to say this could be the greatest main event in Summerslam history, even if Bryan-Cena is a high hurdle to climb.

 

****3/4.



#151 KawadaSmile

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Posted 21 August 2017 - 03:06 PM

Hell yes to the Summerslam main event. So far it is the WWE MOTY, where every single guy had time to shine, even if Braun did stand out - deservedly so.



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Posted 21 August 2017 - 04:22 PM

So much YES to Lesnar/Strowman/Joe/Reigns. Car wreck in the best way, a real testament to how over and talented all four of these guys are. What a showing from Strowman. Standing by my statement that he's a real dark horse for wrestler of the year. What an amazing match.

#153 cm funk

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Posted 21 August 2017 - 07:31 PM

YES to Naito-Omega G1 Finals.  ***** and my favorite match of the year so far



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Posted 21 August 2017 - 07:33 PM

Yes to the Summerslam main event.

 

Nominating:

 

Asuka vs. Ember Moon (NXT Takeover: Brookyln III 8/19/2017)



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Posted 22 August 2017 - 01:20 PM

I urge everyone to post as much information about a match as they can. This is the format I use for the first post (I'm gonna include this in next years first post and maybe edit it in this year's too):

 

promotion/region/category

wrestler 1 vs wrestler 2 (promotion/show name (depending on whether a promotion has its own category) date in american style (year is redundant)

 

 

wrestler 1 is the higher ranked one before the match, don't let your subconsciousness take over and make you post the winner of the match first

wrestler 2 is consequently the lower ranked one

 

I'm not going to be a dick and pretend I'm dumb enough not to know to cagematch a match and find the date, but I'd be nice of you to save me some time since I update everything. Thank you in advance.



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Posted 22 August 2017 - 07:13 PM

I urge everyone to post as much information about a match as they can. This is the format I use for the first post (I'm gonna include this in next years first post and maybe edit it in this year's too):
 
promotion/region/category
wrestler 1 vs wrestler 2 (promotion/show name (depending on whether a promotion has its own category) date in american style (year is redundant)
 
 
wrestler 1 is the higher ranked one before the match, don't let your subconsciousness take over and make you post the winner of the match first
wrestler 2 is consequently the lower ranked one
 
I'm not going to be a dick and pretend I'm dumb enough not to know to cagematch a match and find the date, but I'd be nice of you to save me some time since I update everything. Thank you in advance.


Will do! Thanks for the heads up.

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Posted 27 August 2017 - 07:04 PM

Nominating

Strong BJ vs Naoya Nomura & KAI - All Japan World Tag Titles 8/27/17

Welp, they did it again. This was the Nomura showcase in a Strong BJ formula match, and of course it works like a charm. Fun shine segment with Naoya and KAI getting the upperhand over the two beasts before the young kid gets pummeled by Daisuke, from then on we got the always awesome "small team tries to come back against Sekimoto & Okabayashi" comeback story, with Nomura being the stand out, showing great fire and good offense while a really good Sumo Hall crowd rallies behind him. This had dope spots and nearfalls and kept building drama until the final fall. Fucking awesome tag match, what a year for Strong BJ, best fucking tag team in the world.


Shuji Ishikawa vs Kento Miyahara - Triple Crown match 8/27/17

Match of the year? At least is in the discussion for me. This was a fucking battle for survival, with Shuji doing an awesome job at being the dominant champ and Kento being an outstanding underdog Ace. Better than their match from May, mainly because the first half was way more compelling and fun to watch. Miyahara's selling was fucking great, it made you think "how the hell is he going to overcome this" all match long while at the same time doing enough to give you hope that there was still a chance. Sumo Hall was game for this, specially a lady that sat near the commentary booth who screamed during the whole damn match for her beloved Kento (a lot of women in the crowd and they were the ones starting the chants for the young Ace). This was so good it had the first suplex trading spot I've liked in more than a decade - it fit the story and it was only one move instead of three or four - and a one count kick out that had me thinking "it kinda makes sense". The finish might be the weakest part of this whole thing as it felt a little out of nowhere withing the context of the match, I thought it need one more bomb before the three count. But all in all this was fucking great, go watch this as Miyahara once again shows us you can have an incredible match in a reasonable amount of time (25 minutes). Fuck what you heard, Kento is my performer of the year.



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Posted 30 August 2017 - 10:29 AM

Yes on Ishikawa-Miyahara. Thought it was a step above their previous encounter and a great David vs. Goliath story. There was a bit too much no-selling on the suplex trading and the fact that Ishikawa couldn't put Kento away with three finishers seemed a bit excessive, but Miyahara did a tremendous job selling the accumulated damage and looking all sorts of resilient. An almost perfect match for Miyahara, a guy who I've come to like a lot, to reclaim the title.



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Posted 30 August 2017 - 11:51 AM

Yes to kento Vs ishikawa ajpw 27/8/17

My thoughts from the match thread:

Kento Miyahara and shuji ishikawa are my two favourite wrestlers in the world and ajpw is my all time favourite promotion and there was a really hot crowd. So pretty much this match was made for me. I do not expect anyone else to be as high as me on this match.

The story for me here was that shuji was going to do what he always does and just brutalise the back and neck of kento in order to set up for his big moves. While kento did not really have a plan outside of just survive.

He came out fireing throwing a ton of kicks and tossing ishikawa into the barricades. But shuji takes over with a avoiding a kento dive from the apron and kento landed neck first on the guardrail not unlike misawa in the match 2003 kobashi match. From here shuji targeted the neck with neck holds and even a fire thunder driver on the apron. All through this kento sold like death and it was amazing. After this control segemnts kento made the first of many quick comeback attempts some of which worked but most failed. When he did take back over is where my one criticism of the match came in I think he got back a little to easy without taking a long enough time to get back in with his comeback.

They move into a sintilating finishing stretch with an amazing strike exchange that had no parity like when someone like okada does it and has shit strikes, here kento has decent strikes but is completely outclassed by shuji so while he is hitting as many strikes as shuji his are not hurting the monster. It is brutal stiff with shuji just murdering the young ace with elbows and knees lifts a contrast to kento's more elaborate knee strikes.

The big moves and kickouts were hot without ever going into the realm of excess, yes there are big kickouts from kento but he is the ace in the biggest match of the year so if there is a time for several big move kickouts it is here. I have seen that some people are annoyed at the finish and that kento did not hit shuji with enough moves and that it was a bit flat. While I do see that opinion as I thought shuji was going to kickout of the shutdown German. But I don't think it was terrible that he did not kickout. I didn't really mind a very minor knitpick at worst.

I really loved this match the timing was excellent as was the vast majority of the selling and the transitions made sense (with the one time kento came back to fast) and it was not just your turn my turn. ****3/4 my match of the year so far and the only match this year when even the thought of ***** has entered my mind.


Nomura Kai Vs strong bj ajpw 27/8/17- yes

This was a very strong tag title match to compliment last year's hoss title match. Here it was the case of strong bj being far more experienced as a team while Nomura and kai, a team of guys who lost their tag partners who have barely teamed just desperatly throwing themselves at the mounds of muscle that is strong bj.

Nomura in particular was spectacular in this match and was really his commingled out party and made him a star and in one match went from a guy just out of young boy status to kouraken triple crown challenger.

The big bombs and brilliant performances in the ending sequence between Yuji and Nomura make up for the fairly dull 5 mins in the early to mid match. ****1/4 one of the tag matches of the year along with twin towers Vs strong bj.

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Posted 27 September 2017 - 03:09 PM

YES- 

Lesnar vs Stroman vs Reigns vs Joe Summerslam

 

A 4 way match that featured Lesnar as a babyface in peril? I'm in. Everybody in the match came out looking stronger that they went in. Which is rare for a WWE match, where the status quo is guys usually come out looking weaker. 

 

No-

 

Shuji Ishikawa vs Kento Miyahara 8/27

 

The suplex trading spot, some of the over the top aspects took me out of it. I may give it another shot.

 

 

Nominating-

 

Kairi Sane vs Shayna Baszler Mae Young Invitation Finals 9/12

 

Loved this. Kairi comes in with the dinged up elbow against somebody capable of ripping her arm off. Baszler's ribs get dinged up. They tell a simple story with great limb work and athletic spots that play into the finish without doing anything crazy or dangerous. 






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