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#21 Grimmas

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Posted 15 January 2017 - 10:45 AM

Stardom's service is impressively accessible for Western fans.  The site & interface is designed for those who speak English and the subtitles they include on all promos in post-production make the shows a very fun and easy watch.  If you enjoy or are open to the style, this is one effort to expand the company's reach I'd reward.

Yeah it's great. Time and money is the only thing stopping my sub on that.



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Posted 15 January 2017 - 06:19 PM

I suspect in 10 years the various streaming sites will have so much of their own exclusive content that you have to pay the same prices as cable to see everything you want.

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Posted 16 January 2017 - 08:23 AM

Not to pile on but unless we are complaining that companies cracked down on pirating because they are offering almost all of their content on individual services I'm not sure what the issue is. There probably are too many services out there and I wouldn't recommend subscribing to any INDIVIDUAL promotions unless that is your complete and utter jam.

 

For my money Highspots is delivering by far the best value with Beyond Demand probably not too far behind. Highspots obviously has the systems in place to get a lot of content on their service that is both new and old, appealing to more niches than most. You have all their shoots, the latest PWX shows which has notable indie talents, PWG shows from a year ago and before, plus other random indies that are either current or from the 2000s. Beyond despite only being an individual promotion puts out the raw footage of their shows incredibly quick and eventually follow up with the full edit. The raw footage feels like something not  a ton of promotions do and I actually think it puts a different perspective on some matches. They have also put up interviews with Biff Busick and Keith Lee to add variety to their content. In my eyes, if you are going it alone then they are the prime promotion to look at for guidance on how it should be done. You also have wXw Now but I think what holds them back is their footage being available on Highspots.

 

I agree on the whole though, we have to start seeing some consolidation from promotions that don't have a big footprint. You look at Powerbomb and if that service comes out and works then it will give a variety of promotions some shine. Honestly, I think FloSlam is doing a rather bad job at that but does appeal to the people that I want "live wrestling". 



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Posted 16 January 2017 - 04:54 PM





I'm excited to revisit this topic 6 months , a year down the road
See who has joined the party , what they are charging . Who has left the party , who has combined forces . How powerbomb.tv is doing what highspots and flowslam look like etc

I am wondering what happens to the average price point as well

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Posted 30 December 2017 - 09:47 AM

Good time to revisit this since I have been watching a ton of stuff on Powerbomb.tv ever since Beyond came on board. YouTube ending their paid channels service allowed this beautiful relationship to happen. They are live streaming the New Year’s Eve show with Janela vs David Start to be the first match of 2018 (it’s also a fans bring the weapons match, btw). The Smart Mark Video partnership also helped add value, with stuff like AIW and IWA Mid-South getting getting added (though IWA M-S has remained available on HighSpots, as well). They also have a beta Roku channel that is working pretty acceptably at this point and was just improved last week. Hard to not be optimistic about where they are headed in 2018.

Obviously Floslam was a massive flop, which I think was to be expected as time went on and they were not adding more promotions with name value and showing that they were clueless. Time will tell how the Club WWN model will work out. I think that eventually they will need to include live streams of their shows in their base price or get left behind.

HighSpots has continued to set the pace from my perspective when it comes to offering such a wide variety of content for fans who like to diversify their viewing. It’s not uncommon for me to spend several hours a week watching their stuff, whether it is shoots, PWG, wXw, CZW, older classic content like their Memphis comps, or random indies. It’s an unrivaled value in the market to me.

NJPW World became slightly more accessible with the (still slightly-wonky i.e. being logged out of your account often) Amazon Fire TV app but won’t really start to touch their North American subscriber potential until they are on more platforms (Roku and Apple TV, especially). The Omega/Jericho match will help that, too. I know there are other mitigating circumstances regarding streaming content in Japan but hopefully they can up their game in the English speaking world as they continue to run shows in the US.

WWE Network is pretty great, obviously, with 100 eps of early ‘80s Mid-Atlantic on tap for January. They have added a lot of great stuff over the past year, plus done their surveys asking people what they want, rumors of tiered subscription levels, etc. It’s not without its flaws but has gotten consistently better. I know most/all of us here hope they continue to phase out their original content and add more classic content.

There will supposedly be an ROH streaming service starting in 2018 that really is nothing more than a vague acknowledgment in a Joe Koff interview at this point, so we’ll see if that comes to fruition. Plus there are the numerous companies that use the Pivotshare platform that HighSpots uses. TNA is on the free Pluto TV app and GFW started their own streaming service. It seems like on the whole, wrestling streaming is still expanding and sorting itself out.

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Posted 30 December 2017 - 10:16 AM

Highspots is sounding pretty good. Some questions:

 

1. How reliable is the Roku app?

 

2. How much shoot interview and documentary content is there?

 

3. How often is the selection of matches and other content updated?



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Posted 30 December 2017 - 10:29 AM

Highspots is sounding pretty good. Some questions:
 
1. How reliable is the Roku app?
 
2. How much shoot interview and documentary content is there?
 
3. How often is the selection of matches and other content updated?

Their Roku app is pretty flawless in my experience. It’s not super-functional (I wish I could make a watchlist, for example) but it always works. You are able to resume watching the most recent thing you were watching if you watch in chunks.

According to their website, they currently have 483 shoot interviews up. They include several of the RF Video shoots, as well as ones that HighSpots themselves conduct. Plus stuff like the Best Friends/Officer & A Gentleman and Rob Naylor’s Hitting the HighSpots series if you are into modern indie guys shooting the shit. There are a literal fuck ton of shoots, covering practically everything. As far as documentaries go, they don’t have a ton but they do have stuff that Michael Elliott did like the JCP one, Brody, Funks, RnR Express, etc.

They add content constantly. Multiple times per week.

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Posted 30 December 2017 - 10:41 AM

Nobody has mentioned WXW Now, which is a great service. They run like 80 shows a year, plus weekly TV. Most with English commentary with quite a back log.



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Posted 30 December 2017 - 12:03 PM

Nobody has mentioned WXW Now, which is a great service. They run like 80 shows a year, plus weekly TV. Most with English commentary with quite a back log.

Pretty much all of the wXw shows are included in HighSpots, as well.  That includes the 17th Anniversary show that just got added today.



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Posted 30 December 2017 - 12:47 PM

wXwNOW is kinda unique, as it is not exactly tailored towards an English audience. Because of that I can see that a Highspots subscription might be preferable for certain people. Now please do not expect that you will have all full length shows online. It's actually a good question how many % of potential footage even gets online in the end. Not that I am complaining, Nero/Dreissker vs Ringkampf from Shotgun #334 was rather awesome for instance.

 

It is actually very interesting to notice how Alan/Walter/Ilja have an anti-BSS approach in that they dislike the somewhat hedonistic throwaway approach to wrestling. There is even a German word to describe that, "kurzweilig" (=> entertaining but with a duration date). One of the highlights this year for me was listening to the roundtables on wXwNOW and external Rico Bushido podcasts, as you could hear the Dutch wrestlers voice their displeasure at the disorganized state of the Dutch wrestling scene and how important for them the aspect of sustainability and organisation and the resulting growth at wXw is. I believe that these are the reasons why the Dutch and Alan have put their energy and trust into wXw.

 

The backlog is a mixed bag. If you can understand German, do absolutely watch the Carat timecapsules with new retro commentary about the old days. Only the newer shows have English commentary, I don't expect older shows to receive that treatment anytime soon. Looking at the old Thumbtack Jack matches it seems that the lovely Video Vegas commentary was hardcoded into the audio, so with that and the crappy lights in Essen it seems possible that only very little of the pre-Oberhausen era will be available for a long time.

 

Will there be still be doubts that the concept won't work with the national, far more casual crowd? Absolutely. In the 16 years that our WD website had a German board the interest in European promotions generally had a crappy 5% in polls. That is quite a handicap to overcome. So if you decide to dump your hard-earned $$$ into wXwNOW, you will help them keep up their dojo (where apparently students from 20 different nations trained this year). You will help people like Timothy Thatcher stabilize their careers, you will make the Chris Brookes and Jurn Simmons of the world improve by leaps and bounds. And with every AMBITION tournament the chances will improve that such a concept of wrestling will be accepted. Doesn't sound too shabby, does it?



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Posted 30 December 2017 - 02:03 PM

Is there any real reason to get wXwNOW if you have Highspots? Highspots is great, btw--huge archive, reliable, regularly updated. Powerbomb is really coming on, and they seem genuinely devoted to creating the best possible product. I also recently subscribed to Progress for a month to catch up with their 2017 stuff, and it's a good service.

I'll probably give WWN a shot, but I'm not sure I'll keep it all 12 months.



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Posted 30 December 2017 - 04:01 PM

Can someone clarify what WXW is getting put on Highspots Network? Are they uploading all of the major WXW shows on there? How long does it take them to put the newer WXW shows on there? Are they uploading them with English commentary?

 

If its a yes on uploading all the major WXW shows in a timely matter and with English commentary, then I will def. have to sign up to the Highspots Network.



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Posted 30 December 2017 - 04:13 PM

I am decided on which streaming service get my work prepaid credit card sub for the year. I already got powerbomb for another 4 months, so I was thinking WXW, but how does it differ from highspots?



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Posted 30 December 2017 - 04:36 PM

Can someone clarify what WXW is getting put on Highspots Network? Are they uploading all of the major WXW shows on there? How long does it take them to put the newer WXW shows on there? Are they uploading them with English commentary?

 

If its a yes on uploading all the major WXW shows in a timely matter and with English commentary, then I will def. have to sign up to the Highspots Network.

 

My understanding is all WXW shows (major events and Shotgun/TV episodes) are posted in both German and English.  I believe WXW's site posts a lot of extra content / features that aren't on Highspots, but if you're looking to catch all matches you can do so on Highspots.  It makes you wonder how long they'll keep the Highspots relationship in place as it would seem to cannibalize they're own service, but its not as though I've got nearly enough info to intelligently speculate.



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Posted 30 December 2017 - 05:26 PM

 

Can someone clarify what WXW is getting put on Highspots Network? Are they uploading all of the major WXW shows on there? How long does it take them to put the newer WXW shows on there? Are they uploading them with English commentary?

 

If its a yes on uploading all the major WXW shows in a timely matter and with English commentary, then I will def. have to sign up to the Highspots Network.

 

My understanding is all WXW shows (major events and Shotgun/TV episodes) are posted in both German and English.  I believe WXW's site posts a lot of extra content / features that aren't on Highspots, but if you're looking to catch all matches you can do so on Highspots.  It makes you wonder how long they'll keep the Highspots relationship in place as it would seem to cannibalize they're own service, but its not as though I've got nearly enough info to intelligently speculate.

 

HighSpots has all the major shows (including the house shows, like the Fight Forever Tour, etc.), as well as Shotgun, with English commentary when available.

 

This is what they currently have available:  https://www.highspot.../wxw/6956/media



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Posted 30 December 2017 - 05:32 PM

I miss NWAonDemand, even with all of its flaws and even with my utter lack of time.



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Posted 30 December 2017 - 06:40 PM

You can crosscheck then Highspots with the release schedule http://wxwnow.de/pag...elease schedule

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Posted 31 December 2017 - 02:45 AM

wXw NOW is mostly for the super wXw fans and I would only recommend it if you are interested in their back catalog. You can watch a large chunk of WALTER's career with the service so maybe that's worth it for you. Highspots might not have all the bells and whistles but you get the vast majority of shows uploaded there. wXw NOW is for the niche of the niche. They did just upload a dojo show I would be interested in watching.

 

Quick note on IWA Mid-South on Powerbomb, while there is IWA Mid-South content on Highspots, the new content is coming to Powerbomb which is a big distinction. Powerbomb, in general, has made big leaps this year. The SMV relationship seems to be neater in theory than practice outside of IWA MS who actually uploads 2017 content. The big deal is Beyond Wrestling which is now the brand leader for the service. That's a promotion that runs regularly and puts content up quick. Digital first promotion ftw. Anarachy also uploads content regularly and hope they get talked up more in 2018. They just ran Gunner Miller vs. Matt Riddle II which would be great if that gets uploaded.

 

I sub to Powerbomb and Highspots and really wouldn't need anything else. Might mix it up in 2018.



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Posted 31 December 2017 - 04:14 AM

Highspots is the best right now. Just an incredible amount of content. 

 

Also I am loving Powerbomb.TV, just subscribed against to watch the epic match between Joey Janela and the Invisible Man. Loving the live streams and all the content they've been adding. So cool that you can see a mix of a lot of under the radar stuff there. 

 

NJPW World is pretty disappointing at this point. I cancelled two days before December 1st, was still charged, and sent a few emails asking why I was charged if I had cancelled days before, and no response. Also annoying how it deletes your entire account if you cancel. I actually dig the NJPW product a lot, so not hating on them, just legit disappointed since I wish they had a better platform. 



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Posted 31 December 2017 - 08:07 AM

wXw NOW is mostly for the super wXw fans and I would only recommend it if you are interested in their back catalog. You can watch a large chunk of WALTER's career with the service so maybe that's worth it for you. Highspots might not have all the bells and whistles but you get the vast majority of shows uploaded there. wXw NOW is for the niche of the niche. They did just upload a dojo show I would be interested in watching.
 
Quick note on IWA Mid-South on Powerbomb, while there is IWA Mid-South content on Highspots, the new content is coming to Powerbomb which is a big distinction. Powerbomb, in general, has made big leaps this year. The SMV relationship seems to be neater in theory than practice outside of IWA MS who actually uploads 2017 content. The big deal is Beyond Wrestling which is now the brand leader for the service. That's a promotion that runs regularly and puts content up quick. Digital first promotion ftw. Anarachy also uploads content regularly and hope they get talked up more in 2018. They just ran Gunner Miller vs. Matt Riddle II which would be great if that gets uploaded.
 
I sub to Powerbomb and Highspots and really wouldn't need anything else. Might mix it up in 2018.

Thanks for the clarification re: IWA M-S. It’s kind of confusing since they added some classic content like some TPI’s and stuff to Powerbomb right after they announced the deal. And yeah, definitely agreed re: Beyond. It is the one promotion they have right now that will literally get people in the door. If it means more eyes on Curt Stallion matches, it is inherently good.

I would say if someone had a $20 monthly budget to spend on wrestling, it would be best spent on HighSpots and Powerbomb.




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