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#61 BruiserBrody

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Posted 30 August 2017 - 09:32 AM

Just gave this a chance finally 3 weeks ago when I stumbled on the Heenan episode. This is a fun listen, but I find some of the redoing of the commentary episodes to be less compelling. 



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Posted 30 August 2017 - 11:00 AM

Really odd bit on the q and a this week - Conrad asked something to the effect of when did Tony feel Crockett promotions was doing well and he replied 'never'.

Also, his continuing defense of Russo makes no sense.

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Posted 30 August 2017 - 05:33 PM

Really odd bit on the q and a this week - Conrad asked something to the effect of when did Tony feel Crockett promotions was doing well and he replied 'never'.

Also, his continuing defense of Russo makes no sense.


Tony has been pretty consistent and if you put these two ideas together it really adds up. Schiavone worked for an incompetent company for 15 years and finally someone comes in with some organizational skills. It wasn't enough to turn things around, but to Tony at least Russo was a organized professional and he really respects that.

I think if he worked with Russo in TNA we might get a different story.

#64 El-P

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Posted 31 August 2017 - 12:28 PM

Plus, if you consider the facts that

 

1/he thought WCW was doomed from day 1 after he got back from WWF

2/he considers Russo as a friend as he was always good to him

 

it does makes sense.

 

(and he did shit on the Russo style-booking in the PPVs they reviewed in the past)



#65 El-P

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Posted 31 August 2017 - 12:36 PM

Bwahahahahah, this podcast is quite informative :

 

https://www.cowboys4...marcus-bagwell/



#66 BruiserBrody

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Posted 04 September 2017 - 11:58 AM

Assuming it was real, the Lois run in at the end of the Q and A was funny as hell



#67 BigBadMick

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Posted 07 November 2017 - 05:10 AM

Hmmm... seems to have gone to an all live watching format lately. I have mixed feelings about that.

I'm not sure whether I hate or despise it.

#68 El-P

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Posted 07 November 2017 - 06:35 AM

Hmmm... seems to have gone to an all live watching format lately. I have mixed feelings about that.

I'm not sure whether I hate or despise it.

 

It was fun once in a while for a Nitro, but if they do that all the time now, with PPV no less, I'm not a fan.



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Posted 07 November 2017 - 06:47 AM

Conrad really went overboard with the bullshit for a while on Prichard's show but eventually settled down again, hopefully same thing will happen with Tony.

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Posted 07 November 2017 - 08:14 PM

 

Hmmm... seems to have gone to an all live watching format lately. I have mixed feelings about that.

I'm not sure whether I hate or despise it.

 

It was fun once in a while for a Nitro, but if they do that all the time now, with PPV no less, I'm not a fan.

 

 

Yeah, I'm not going to take the time to listen to a podcast commentary over a wrestling show.  Podcasts are for when I'm driving.

 

I can sort of understand why they are doing the live commentaries now.  It seemed like they tried to originally format this podcast like the WCW version of Prichard's podcast, but people complained too much about Schiavone not remembering anything.  The Steve Austin podcast being the prime example with it basically being Conrad reading results.

 

I think this podcast works best when its Schiavone just discussing his personal relationships and stories with the people he worked with.  



#71 El-P

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Posted 15 November 2017 - 03:33 PM

I think this podcast works best when its Schiavone just discussing his personal relationships and stories with the people he worked with.  

 

 

Agreed. I really wish they'd keep the live commentary for very special occasions and focus on topics Tony has stuff to say about. As a weekly feature, the commentary formula kinda jumps the shark with me, despite Tony still being funny and giving some good insights at times.



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Posted 15 November 2017 - 04:50 PM

I think they were kind of forced into the live commentary format because Tony has proven he doesn't have the ability to do recap style "looking back" shows like Conrad does with Bruce. 

 

From where I sit, this can be attributed to the following reasons:

 

1 ) As a commentator, Tony didn't have the same level of involvement backstage in WCW that Prichard did in his role in the WWF.  Prichard can provide way more details about the backstage machinations and creative processes due to the difference in their roles.

 

2 ) Tony appears to have a pretty terrible memory and seems to be unable to recall a lot of things. (Unlike Bruce, who at times is unwilling to recall a lot of things.) If you look back, I think it was the Steve Austin episode where Conrad pretty much lost his shit because he was basically reading results and Tony couldn't remember a damn thing or add anything to the episode. (I'm not going back to find out which show it was, because it was brutal if not slightly humorous.) I think Tony's memory might be attributable to the fact that...

 

3) Tony didn't give a shit a lot of the time in WCW.  Say what you want about him, but working for Vince and the wrestling business in general was Bruce Prichard's life, pretty much 24/7 from what it sounds like. As a result, he generally remembers a lot of details and has a lot of interesting stories.  But even he has a lot of times where he has to admit he can't remember stuff.

 

JCP and to a much greater extent WCW was a job for Tony.  It wasn't his passion (I think that was baseball) and especially in the last few years of WCW I think Tony really didn't give a crap what the hell was going on around him, so he just didn't pay attention. (And I am not saying I blame him for that,)

 

If Conrad tries to use the "Something to Wrestle" format with this show in the long term, it's going to tank. It's just not viable. I don't think anybody could have predicted how successful Something to Wrestle was going to be, (including Bruce and Conrad) and I don't think anybody could expect Tony and Conrad to duplicate that kind of success, but even on a smaller scale, that format isn't going to work for them.

 

I think these commentary shows are going to be what you get from this point forward from this show.  I know Conrad is getting a lot of positive feedback about them on Twitter etc., but of course he isn't going to re-tweet all the negative feedback either.



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Posted 15 November 2017 - 05:06 PM

Im not sure thats the issue so much as that theres not a ton of difference between one PPV in 98 and another. I liked it when Tony would rewatch the PPVs and comment on what he saw. I think there was more legs in doing theme shows like the Heenan one though.

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Posted 15 November 2017 - 05:09 PM

I wonder if Conrad is the right host for a podcast with Tony Schiavone. They don't seem to have much chemistry from the few episodes I've listened to and Conrad seemed to think he could just use the format that worked with he and Bruce with Tony, but for the reasons mentioned above, that doesn't work because Schiavone is different from Prichard. Schiavone's main strength is his dirty sense of humor, but recall is not his thing. I think the idea is that this would be MLW's WCW version of the Prichard show, but it falls apart because Schiavone was not as involved in the WCW office, and in fact preferred his time with WWF to his time with WCW. I've said this before, but the main strength of the Prichard show is that it almost serves as an unauthorized biography of Vince McMahon, told through the lens of one of his top lieutenants in the WWF office. Besides WCW not having a singular leader like Vince McMahon (though Bischoff was close), Tony was never that top lieutenant. He worked in production, but he was never a big office guy, so the Prichard perspective just isn't there. Conrad getting mad at Schiavone for not being Bruce doesn't seem fair when they're different people who had different roles and different stories.



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Posted 15 November 2017 - 05:32 PM

Sometimes I think that the things that interest Conrad in wrestling are mostly opposed to that which interest Tony, too. I think in general, the show's been more good than not, though. I don't listen to the commentary ones, however, because, you know, car.



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Posted 15 November 2017 - 06:56 PM

I liked it when Tony would rewatch the PPVs and comment on what he saw.

 

Yep. It was more fun and easier to listen "on the road". The fact the Austin edition was so nothing has something to do with all podcasts being commentary issues since then though. But I'd like other Heenan/Flair editions instead, or old PPV's non-commentary.



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Posted 16 November 2017 - 01:16 AM

Perhaps if Schiavone picked the topics himself and they ditched the poll altogether that would improve things.

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Posted 16 November 2017 - 02:02 AM

I think part of it also comes down to that Bruce was much more of a hardcore wrestling fan growing up than Tony was (as was his brother). So he's much more in sync with the type of stuff that Conrad (or one of us) would ask than Tony is.

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Posted 16 November 2017 - 04:50 AM

I think part of it also comes down to that Bruce was much more of a hardcore wrestling fan growing up than Tony was (as was his brother). So he's much more in sync with the type of stuff that Conrad (or one of us) would ask than Tony is.


Though Conrad is much more of a Monday Night Wars fan than we are, even those of us who came to 1985 JCP later in life.

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Posted 16 November 2017 - 06:56 AM

It's been interesting to listen to Conrad's growing suspicion of Meltzer as the shows have gone on.




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