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Between the Sheets #85 (March 1-7, 1987) (Featuring Pete Lederberg)


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Kris & David are joined by Pete Lederberg (WFIA) to discuss the week that was March 1-7, 1987. We talk about WrestleMania III ticket sales soaring, Missy Hyatt floundering in the WWF, Riki Choshu’s uncertainty with AJPW, all sorts of territory news including World Class hooking up with Bum Bright, and the end of Championship Wrestling from Florida as they were taken over by Jim Crockett Promotions. All that and there’s also a preview of our latest Patreon show at the end. Fun show so check it out!!!

 

Timestamps:

0:00:00 WWF
0:34:04 Int’l: AJPW, NJPW, England, Stampede, EMLL, UWA, & WWC
1:07:38 Classic Commercial Break
1:12:06 Housekeeping & The Amazon Game
1:41:19 The Territories: Continental, WOW, Memphis, UWF, WCCW, Central States, AWA, Portland, & Potpourri
2:56:16 Jim Crockett Promotions
3:43:15 Patreon Preview

 

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I'm in the process of listening through the show but jumped ahead to the PR section and wanted to share some tidbits related to the card mentioned. The fun thing is that you're able to place this card/these events in the promotion's history in reference with what is happening in other parts of the wrestling world at this time (always a great aspect of these shows since the custom is to go over a promotion's history in a vacuum while on BTS you get everything relevant to that specific time period across the board).

 

The first thing is that you'll notice that Carlos Colon was not on the card. This was because this was the week in between the last two Colon vs. Hansen matches. Carlos was on TV that weekend to discuss what had happened the previous weekend and to hype the following week's cage match and was not on the card for two reasons: he was preparing for the next week's cage match with Hansen (which was deemed as the final encounter between them) and the card was changed from the initially scheduled one due to something that happened on that Saturday's morning show.

 

The second thing is that this is the first Invader 1 vs. TNT match. It was not the originally scheduled match for the card but came about due to something that happened on that morning's TV. What happened? Well...

 

 

TNT was facing a masked wrestler named Halcon Rojo, who surprisingly gave TNT a hard time. TNT managed to take control and won the match with the cobra. However, he was miffed over Halcon Rojo's showing and refused to wake him up from the cobra hold (same as he had done with Carlos Colon a few months prior). El Profe initially covered Halcon Rojo with the towel in advance of TNT waking the guy up, but TNT refused. Both referees asked him to wake the guy up, but TNT got aggressive and left the ring with El Profe following. As a result, the decision was overturned and Halcon Rojo given the match by DQ. Almost immediately someone hits the ring in a hurry. It's Invader 1. He starts slapping Halcon Rojo's chest in an effort to revive him, then sits him up and starts slapping the back of the neck and head in an effort to wake him up. It doesn't work, so invader starts undoing the mask laces in order to get Halcon Rojo's mask off. the announcers are puzzled at this and are even questioning why is he doing that (since unmasking someone is a big no no). Invader manages to roll the mask off from the face and proceeds to slap Halcon Rojo furiously across the chest and back in order to revive him. Halcon is still out and Invader 1 is getting more frantic in his attempt to revive him. The announcers note that it appears that Halcon Rojo is bleeding from the mouth. Invader, seeing this, starts giving mouth to mouth resuscitation to Halcon Rojo, who seems to respond a bit. However, as Invader is doing this, TNT returns and blindsides Invader. After a couple of blows, Invader manages to fight off TNT and knock him out of the ring. Invader returns to tending to the still down Halcon Rojo, but an irate TNT jumps back him and attacks Invader again. He locks the cobra on Invader and it looks like he's going to do the same thing he just did to Halcon Rojo. At that point, the entire tecnico locker room runs out and chases TNT off. As the tecnicos gather around the still out Halcon Rojo, Invader again starts furiously trying to revive him. Super Medico and Invader 3 try to help Invader 1 with Halcon Rojo, but he still does not respond. As the camera zooms in, you can see that Halcon Rojo has been completely unmasked and that there is a trickle of blood coming out of his mouth, which the announcers speculate must be from having the oxygen flow to the head cut off. As the tecnicos keep trying in vain to revive Halcon Rojo, the paramedics finally show up. Halcon Rojo is loaded onto the stretcher and is accompanied by the tecnicos as he's take to a waiting ambulance.

 

So why was Invader furiously trying to revive Halcon Rojo?

 

 

Joaquin Padin caught up to Invader after the fracas because his fellow commentator Hector Moyano had heard heard comments while the whole thing was going down that Halcon Rojo was Invader's brother. Padin mentions that he was too caught up in the seriousness of what was happening to pick up on that. So Padin has made his way to the locker room in order to ask Invader in order to clear up that rumor. A distracted and worried Invader confirms that, yes, it's his brother. Invader starts crying and is barely able to say that his brother just wanted to follow in his footsteps and was wearing a mask so that he wouldn't have either the pressure of being his brother in the ring and also to avoid being the target of any vendettas due to being his brother.The video then cuts to a meeting room where Invader 1 is with Huracan Castillo Sr. and El Profe. Invader is demanding that his contract for that night's match in Caguas be cancelled and he wants a match with TNT. El Profe just laughs baout thwe whole thing and says that if eh wants the match all he has to do is sign. As a result, the new main event for that card was Invader 1 vs. TNT.

 

As a result of this change, the Saturday afternoon show was basically focused on announcing to the fans that the card had changed and what the new line-up was. In addition, all of the tecnico interviews made reference to that morning's incident and commented on how they were looking forward to Invader getting his hands on TNT (including one interview where Carlos Colon appeared with Invader 1 to lend his support and denounce TNT's actions).

 

The final tidbit is expanding a bit on what Kris mentioned about Hercules Ayala. He was still a tecnico at this time, and in fact had only just recently returned a few weeks before. It would still be a month before he turned heel, but already there were some very subtle seeds being planted with Hugo alluding to Hercules learning a new move and akin when it would be unveiled. Hercules would say it's not ready yet and he would show it when the time was right. Also, in the following weeks, Hercules would be slow in joining his comrades when making saves, a situation that led to a tecnico summit to clear the air. the heel turn would soon follow.

 

Looking forward to listening to the rest of the show.

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I don't think the Tombstone from Florida was 911. I think when 911 had his brief WCW run in 1996-1997, it was a rib on Heyman, since Sullivan knew Heyman from his brief Florida run in 1987 and named 911 (who had just left ECW on bad terms with Heyman) Tombstone as a rib going back to his first run as a manager. I don't think 911 was wrestling Florida, or anywhere in 1987, unless it was in the tinest of Jersey indies, like indies UWC-sized or smaller.

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On a completely unrelated note, I feel like I should second the love for McKay's Used Books.

 

Between the stores in Chattanooga and Knoxville (and to a lesser extent, Nashville), I feel like I've spent entire weeks (and paychecks) there over the past 25 years.

 

*also, awesome Patreon show last week as well...

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On the subject of Paul Heyman in Memphis, at one of the first ECW internet fan conventions in 1996, Heyman told a story of his first live interview in the WMC studio, talking about how if Jerry Lawler was such a big man in Memphis, no wonder there were so many lesbians, which apparently caused Jerry Jarrett to freak out and fire him. Having first heard this story in my teens, I was hoping to see somebody trading for the video, but never saw anything out there. 22 years later, in the age where everything eventually makes it on YouTube, I still haven't heard anybody say that they have this or any evidence that it actually exists. I realize that if the line really made Jerry Jarrett that angry, that he would have edited it off of the Evansville feed, which is the Memphis feed most people seem to have, but I haven't heard any mention of the story or any footage pop up from this since the ECW fan conventions. So did Heyman make the story up?

 

The story, for those who haven't heard it:

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBlurI_4UGA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2weN6iT3IKk

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