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FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION... A Podcast series discussing the nominations for the GWWE project


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For Your Consideration #1: The Cena Era? Ruthless Aggression? The Wellness Era?

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For Your Consideration #2: The Warrior Era? New Generation?

 

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For Your Consideration #3: Rock ‘n’ Wrestling

 

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For Your Consideration #4: Attitude!

 

http://placetobenation.com/for-your-consideration-4-attitude/

 

 

 

For Your Consideration #5: Women of Wrestling
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For Your Consideration #1: The Cena Era? Ruthless Aggression? The Wellness Era?

This is a new podcast series exploring the WWE careers of wrestlers nominated for the Greatest WWE Wrestler Ever poll. Will from Texas is joined by Glenn Butler (Wednesday Walk Around the Web) and Steve Williams (PTB Trivia contest runner-up). Today’s episode discusses the careers of the following:
Mickie James
MVP
Ryback
Umaga
Jamie Noble
John Bradshaw Layfield
Evan Bourne
Cody Rhodes
Wade Barrett
Batista
Bobby Lashley
CM Punk
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For Your Consideration #2: The Warrior Era? New Generation?

 

Will from Texas and Steve Williams are joined by Kris Zellner (Exile on Badstreet & Between the Sheets) to discuss wrestlers from the early 1990s for the GWWE project:
Hakushi
Ahmed Johnson
Earthquake
Sean Waltman
Jerry Lawler
Goldust
Vader
Jeff Jarrett
Yokozuna
Owen Hart
Kevin Nash
Ultimate Warrior
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For Your Consideration #3: Rock ‘n’ Wrestling

Will from Texas & his buddy, Jeff from Texas, are joined by Johnny Sorrow (Space City, Titans of Wrestling, Brainbuster) to discuss the 1980s for the GWWE project! The three of us all lived through this exciting era in wrestling. We give our thoughts on the wrestlers when we were kids and what we think of them now.The following wrestlers are discussed…

Brutus Beefcake
Junkyard Dog
Adrian Adonis
Honky Tonk Man
King Kong Bundy
Bob Orton
Greg Valentine
Paul Orndorff
Tito Santana
Ricky Steamboat
Jake Roberts
Randy Savage
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Well, I might end up the high vote on everyone from this past show ha. I can't wait to hear some top 20 talk down the line and see if it influences my list. But, full disclosure, prior to this show I had ranked to #28, and here is what I have:

1. Randy Savage

16. Greg Valentine

17. Jake Roberts

18. Tito Santana

22. Ricky Steamboat

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For Your Consideration #4: Attitude!
Will, Steve and Johnny Sorrow examine some of the most memorable stars of the Attitude era for the GWWE project. We look at some of the most unforgettable guys in wrestling and others we wish we could forget. The following wrestlers were discussed on the show:
Bob Holly
Crash Holly
Charles Wright
Ken Shamrock
Faarooq
Val Venis
Christian
Marc Mero
Rikishi
Kurt Angle
Mick Foley
The Rock

 

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I'm loving these shows. Great to hear Will again. Will and Sorrow are a delight together and Steve has been great as well. Can't wait for the next show!

 

Now. Moving on.

 

I have Valentine at 9, Tito 11, Steamboat 12

 

My Savage is at 2

 

I was wondering if Will (or anyone who will rank him highly) could address something I've been kind of struggling with in regards to Steamboat. When I first heard about the project and was thinking about nominees, Steamboat was absolutely someone I thought about as a top 10 sort of pick. But when I added in all the years the nominees were in the WWE it got me thinking about him a little more. Then I looked a little deeper at his run looking at cagematch...

 

Ricky Steamboat first appeared on an MSG card in 1980 teaming with Jay Youngblood against Bulldog Bower & Tor Kamata.

 

He doesn't come back until March of 85, worked regularly until he had a month off in Nov-Dec 86 for the Savage feud. Then worked regularly up until Mania III. After Mania he took a month off during March & April. He was back working regularly from late April until mid June. Then he was gone for another 6 weeks. Then he came back for an MSG show and house show and then was gone from late July to late August. He came back for another MSG show and then left again until late September. Cagematch shows 7 matches from late September to late October and then nothing again until mid November. He then worked regularly from mid November through the end of the year. He appears to be gone most of January coming back towards the end of the month. He then worked regularly until WrestleMania IV on March 27th 1988. Cagematch shows he had 32 total matches in 1988, only 6 were televised.

 

He then came back in early-mid March of 1991 and worked regularly until mid-late October. This period is often pointed to as his worst period by his biggest fans because he was in full-on Dragon Karate WWE Kids Era Mode.

 

There just isn't a lot of meat there. Obviously the Savage feud is one of the best the company ever had. There's at least one really good Jake match and another one with Bret. But I'm not sure outside of the Savage feud if Steamboat has any WWF matches that would rank in his top 50 personal matches? Is this enough to make someone a lock for the top 15? Does his WWE career realistically compare favorably to someone like Matt Hardy's or Christian's?

 

All of this said, I love Steamboat and he's a lock to make my list. I did a few extremely rough draft lists to get an idea where I was at, and getting to 100 WWE wrestlers was more difficult than I expected. So its not like I think its ridiculous that he's on the list. I just think top 15 is remarkably high for a guy who didn't spend much time there.

 

Edit, I did forget about the tag match with Tito against the Dream Team. That's a great match, would likely be in Steamboat's top 50 matches on tape, and deserved a mention.

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Some of things I'd point to are the Roberts feud, Bret Hart 3/8/86 is a good one, and Bob Orton Jr. 7/20/85 is really good. He's got a good Valentine match in 85, and I like his stuff when he came back and faced Jericho in that tag at mania and PPV following... Anyways, I think it's not about his longevity that he ranks so high for me, I just think he always performs exceptionally. In my opinion, he performs at such a high level that he would surpass someone who had a longer career with the company (because in my eyes, they likely never reached his level). Also, the historical significance for the Savage feud is pretty high in my book. That's just some quick reasons. I can probably discuss further when I have a little more time to think about it. For example, you mentioned Christian. Christian will rank highly on my list, so don't get me wrong. I'll just rank Steamboat higher because I think his in-ring work was at a higher level than Christian. I also don't think Christian had any moments that would come close to WrestleMania III. Again, Christian is around 32 or 33 for me (where Steamboat is 20). So, I'm not trashing. I'm just saying what made the difference to me.

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For Your Consideration #5: Women of Wrestling
Will from Texas is joined by Glenn Butler (Podcast Hour Spectacular and Wednesday Walk Around the Web) & Stacey O’Loughlin (Stacey & Elliott’s Bogus Journey) to discuss the women in consideration for the GWWE Project. They discuss the biggest names from the Attitude era, the divas that followed, all the way to the current crop of transformative superstars. The following women are discussed:
Sable
Chyna
Molly Holly
Lita
Trish Stratus
Beth Phoenix
AJ Lee
Asuka
Becky Lynch
Sasha Banks
Bayley
Charlotte Flair
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First I wanted to say I loved the podcast yall did with Glenn running down the WWE women. I really need to give Asuka a fair look from the sound of things. Thus far, I've got Sasha, Becky, Trish, Charlotte, Bayley locked in. Depending on what my list looks like as we get closer to the due date, I could see putting the Jumping Bomb Angels at 99 & 100. I promised MattD I would give Judy Martin an honest look as well so I still need to do that. I have Moolah ranked right below Kane and Kevin Owens as the worst wrestlers in company history.

 

I'm currently watching every Trish Stratus match in preparation for a Mega Trish show Stacey and I are gonna do. Stacey's talking point about Trish being an all time great bumper is a real thing. Its kind of hard to compare her to someone like Kobashi or Misawa who would take a million neck breaking bumps in a match. Trish would only get her 2-5 minutes and couldn't cram in the quantity of bumps in like those guys. But the big bumps she took were completely fucking insane. Tons of bumps off powerbombs and moves like that where she's taking a Misawa level bump. Stuff where she bumps from the top rope to the floor and lands on her face. Etc etc. Its really kinda ridiculous.

 

If I knew how to edit and make videos I'd absolutely make a "Trish kills herself" montage on youtube. But here are some examples Stacey shared that really made me go back and start watching these matches to see if Trish really belonged on the list:

 

6min in:

http://www.dailymoti...m/video/x3datng (I'm pretty sure this is actually her last match because surely she died after that bump)

 

6min 30sec in:

http://www.dailymoti...m/video/x550nfh

 

4min 20sec in:

 

3min 15 sec in:

http://www.dailymoti...m/video/x473sln

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