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#1 paul sosnowski

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Posted 06 July 2017 - 12:26 PM

I am almost certain that in 2001 or perhaps 2002, I saw a match somewhere in New Jersey, Lowki vs Trent Acid in a steel cage.   Did this really happen?   I have never been able to find anything about it anywhere.    JCW perhaps?   Maybe it was Ki against Billy Reil or Reckless Youth?   But it was definitely a steel cage match



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Posted 06 July 2017 - 04:18 PM

Always, always, ALWAYS look at Cagematch first.

Per that site, they were never competing in the same match.

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Posted 06 July 2017 - 04:25 PM

They tagged together in 2004, in JAPW (I think).



#4 paul sosnowski

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Posted 06 July 2017 - 05:20 PM

Ugh...maybe the cage match was Reckless vs Trent, and Ki was also on the show?   



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Posted 06 July 2017 - 09:42 PM

One would think their paths would have crossed between 99 and 2003. They were working the same indies in the New York, Jersey, PA, Delaware, MD part of the country. And cage match doesn't have great records for random shithole indies like Jersey All Pro, ECWA, Maryland Champion Wrestling, random NWA affiliates, WXW, IWC, ICW, etc. In August or September 2001, I saw a 4 corner 1 hour broadway in a CYO gym in the middle of nowhere Delaware with Low Ki vs Bryan Danielson vs Christopher Daniels vs Scoot Andrews. The undercard had the Haas Brothers, the SAT, Brian Kendrick, Paul London, and the usual ECWA riff raff. There is no record of that show anywhere online. There is no film of the show.  I really think that happened a lot in the indies that didn't have their own production or weren't hooked up with RF or smartmark.



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Posted 07 July 2017 - 03:08 AM

The only match I can find with the two of them in is the 2004 tag mentioned by Rah which was japw basebrawl 2 12/06/04 low ki and acid Vs sonjay dutt and teddy Hart.

There are 4 reil Vs ki matches in 2000 none of which are cage matches they are in JCW japw and wxw.

There is one reckless youth Vs ki match for the japw championship which ki loses.

Youth Vs acid I can find one singles match in 1999 and several multi-man matches mainly in czw. Nothing which is down as a cage match.

Now this does not mean you are wrong but just may mean that it was never recorded digitally or if it was it is not in any database with an English language section.

#7 paul sosnowski

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Posted 07 July 2017 - 07:50 AM

JoeG, you are not referring to the ECWA 9/22/01 show?   The Haas Brothers, London and Kendrick are not on the show...  But I know I have a VHS of the main event, it was pretty heavily pimped as a great indy match in 2001

 

http://www.rfvideo.c...lmingtonde.aspx



#8 Phil Schneider

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Posted 07 July 2017 - 09:00 AM

I am not sure if Tim Noel still sells stuff but I know he recorded all the big ECWA shows

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Posted 07 July 2017 - 09:59 AM

Always, always, ALWAYS look at Cagematch first.

Per that site, they were never competing in the same match.

 

Cagematch is an awesome resource but their 2000 indy results are fairly spotty. 



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Posted 07 July 2017 - 10:01 AM


Always, always, ALWAYS look at Cagematch first.

Per that site, they were never competing in the same match.

 
Cagematch is an awesome resource but their 2000 indy results are fairly spotty. 

To be fair, everything about indy wrestling after 2000 is fairly spotty.

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Posted 07 July 2017 - 10:05 AM

Always, always, ALWAYS look at Cagematch first.

Per that site, they were never competing in the same match.

 

Come on man. He's not new to the internet and clearly was trying to recollect something that a lot of people on this site could possibly solve.



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Posted 07 July 2017 - 10:05 AM

Gd it, i had that reply up in draft and then you both post prior to me - lol. What are the odds?



#13 soup23

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Posted 07 July 2017 - 10:09 AM

 

 

Always, always, ALWAYS look at Cagematch first.

Per that site, they were never competing in the same match.

 
Cagematch is an awesome resource but their 2000 indy results are fairly spotty. 

To be fair, everything about indy wrestling after 2000 is fairly spotty.

 

 

Touche, seriously though the IWA-MS results are pretty awful for cagematch. 



#14 EricR

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Posted 07 July 2017 - 08:26 PM

Yeah 90s thru 2004 indy results are wildly incomplete on cagematch. I got to the point where I just stopped looking. 



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Posted 07 July 2017 - 11:34 PM

JoeG, you are not referring to the ECWA 9/22/01 show?   The Haas Brothers, London and Kendrick are not on the show...  But I know I have a VHS of the main event, it was pretty heavily pimped as a great indy match in 2001

 

http://www.rfvideo.c...lmingtonde.aspx

 

That might be it. I'm pretty sure that is it. Did it go broadway or did it just go really long? I saw one 4 way that summer that went broadway that had both Ki and Dragon and one that went really, really long with Ki and Dragon. Although I could swear Haas Brothers and Kendrick vs SAT was the Semi Main for one of them. And that Haas Brothers were on both shows. The thing I love about this board is I can talk about a show I went to 16 years ago and somebody here will correct me on the details. 



#16 Indikator

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Posted 08 July 2017 - 10:02 AM

As a WD guy I can only shake my head at the criticism both our sites get. Just this week we had a... let's use the word Armleuchter in case he will google me ;) , who bemoaned the lack of Showa Zenjo and Great Gama results.

Don't think that we have a million ways to get all the relevant information. If you have something, send it to us or tell us how to access it. Don't just be a whiny bitch, who often enough is even too lazy to see that we have certain things. People are engaged enough to complain and not much else.

Also, fuck social media. Made it sooooo much harder to research.



#17 paul sosnowski

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Posted 08 July 2017 - 10:56 AM

I can't find any complete results for ECWA shows in 2001.    After the Super 8 on 2/24, there was a show on April 7 with Lowki and Danielson vs The Haas Brothers. 

 

On May 5, Lowki was in a 6 way match with Jayson Reign, Russ Haas, Charlie Haas,  Scoot Andrews and Vince Goodnite.

 

On July 21, there is a famous Ki vs Danielson match with Ricky Steamboat as referee.

 

I'm not sure about the result of the 9/22 four way match, I have not watched it in a very long time and I don't remember it at all.   "an incredible match of the year candidate in the four way main event. Low Ki, Chris Daniels, American Dragon and Scoot Andrews delivered over 30 minutes of hard-hitting, high-flying, body twisting excellence with this must see match.

 

Ki also had a match against Chris Daniels on November 3

 

Ki and Dragon defended the tag titles against the SATs on December 1st.

 

I know that the original match I asked about was not in the ECWA, cause my first show there was 1/12/02



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Posted 22 August 2017 - 06:19 PM

The Low Ki vs Trent Acid cage match was on 7/16/00 in Jersey Championship Wrestling. I've been looking for it for months! Sorry I didn't see this thread sooner.

 

JCW shows in general are almost impossible to find.



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Posted 23 August 2017 - 05:53 AM

Always, always, ALWAYS look at Cagematch first.

Per that site, they were never competing in the same match.

Or wait for Loss to debunk databases



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Posted 23 August 2017 - 06:36 AM

Something helpful with Low Ki matches is that he used to track all of the dates and results for his own matches on his website, which can still be found on the Wayback machine. There's also a Low Ki-El Hijo del Santo vs Mike Quackenbush-El Mariachi match from 04/16/00 I'm determined to find.






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