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#21 Slasher

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Posted 29 August 2017 - 12:43 PM

Cena laughing off all of Roman's big lines was also pretty shitty as well. I thought both performed well tbh, though Cena is obviously a more accomplished promo. I just don't see what Cena laughing the guy off is supposed to achieve unless Reigns really beats the shit out of him.


Not that it is a great reason for Cena to behave the way he did, but I do suspect this is exactly what will happen. If it is Reigns vs Lesnar at Mania, there is nothing to protect in a future rematch, so you might as well give Reigns a decisive win to get him on his way to his Mania showdown and Cena is Cena. When he comes back from the movies, it isn't like he'd be damaged goods or anything like that. At least that is what I hope happens after last night.

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Posted 29 August 2017 - 12:55 PM

Cena calling out Roman for momentarily losing his train of thought "it's called a promo, you have to do it if you want to be the big guy" was so HHH-like it hurt. I get they want to establish Cena as the face in this program but he really came off as a dickhead in that segment more than anything.



#23 Jmare007

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Posted 29 August 2017 - 12:58 PM

 

Cena laughing off all of Roman's big lines was also pretty shitty as well. I thought both performed well tbh, though Cena is obviously a more accomplished promo. I just don't see what Cena laughing the guy off is supposed to achieve unless Reigns really beats the shit out of him.


Not that it is a great reason for Cena to behave the way he did, but I do suspect this is exactly what will happen. If it is Reigns vs Lesnar at Mania, there is nothing to protect in a future rematch, so you might as well give Reigns a decisive win to get him on his way to his Mania showdown and Cena is Cena. When he comes back from the movies, it isn't like he'd be damaged goods or anything like that. At least that is what I hope happens after last night.

 

 

And Cena is the master of no selling big losses, give him a couple of months off and it's gonna be like he never even wrestled Roman in his (kayfabe) mind :lol:



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Posted 29 August 2017 - 01:09 PM

Guys, Wrestlemania crowds are the worst, why would you want to waste quality matches on them?

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Posted 29 August 2017 - 01:11 PM

Because theoretically you want to save your biggest matches for the biggest show, and they're running out of matches that could fill up the mega stadiums they run in.



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Posted 29 August 2017 - 01:29 PM

Because theoretically you want to save your biggest matches for the biggest show, and they're running out of matches that could fill up the mega stadiums they run in.

True, but with tickets on sale and selling almost thee to four months before you have even one match announced (due to travel arrangements people make), how much of an issue would it be at this moment? In the long run it'll affect the luster of the event if the matches aren't up to the standards expected, but in the short term I don't think it'll affect it too much yet.



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Posted 29 August 2017 - 01:36 PM

Every year there's stories of tickets not being sold out up until the last few days of the show, partly due to the giant capacities of the stadiums they run and partly due to them not always having the hottest card. 

 

Brock-Braun seems like the hottest program they could run and Cena-Roman has a dream match aura that both could be used to anchor a WM but instead they're being used to headline a B level show. I realize WWE is past the PPV mentality but that doesn't seem the ideal way to maximize your booking options. 



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Posted 29 August 2017 - 01:38 PM

If you are going to argue that WWE needs to save big matches for Mania so they can sell tickets then you have to give Roman Reigns credit for the last 3 Manias making a ton of money. Considering that everyone has been saying Roman had nothing to do with it and that Mania sells itself, it would seem that WWE doesn't NEED to save the biggest matches for Mania. With their issues selling out the B PPVs lately I'd say No Mercy needs this match more than Mania especially with the amount of tweets I have seen from people planning to travel to see it live who previously had no plans to go to No Mercy.

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Posted 29 August 2017 - 01:51 PM

Mania does sell itself to a degree, and Roman does deserve credit since among Mania type crowds he has Floyd Maywether heat where people will spend ridiculous money to see him get beat (and then get mad when he wins, rinse, repeat). 

 

I can see shooting the load for one big match on a B show to improve the house, but doing two on one show seems like a waste IMO.



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Posted 30 August 2017 - 03:10 AM

Glad they booked Lesnar vs. Braun. That is an actual dream match and could be the best singles match in the company since Brock/Reigns. Cena vs. Roman also sounds interesting. I'm guessing they will work it as a passing of the torch type deal where Cena gets overwhelmed and realizes his time as the ace is officially up.     



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Posted 30 August 2017 - 03:27 AM

Cena vs. Roman also sounds interesting. I'm guessing they will work as a passing of the torch type deal where Cena gets overwhelmed and realizes his time as the ace is officially up.     

 

Which will get shit on. Again. And Cena will remain the Man in the company, no matter what.



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Posted 30 August 2017 - 05:53 AM

I loved the bit on the fashion files this week where they held up what was a regular belt for holding pants up, and they called it a "title." Although I felt like the rest of the material wasn't as funny as normal. I don't think they really need to do the fashion files every week like this.



#33 Jimmy Redman

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Posted 30 August 2017 - 06:19 AM

YOU SHUT YOUR MOUTH!

I lose it every week and yet I lost it more than ever at the belt bit. Holy shit. Frankly they need to do this forever.

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Posted 30 August 2017 - 06:41 AM

I guess it doesn't really matter, but I'd put Cena over. There's no reason for Cena-Reigns to be one and done. When Reigns beats Cena, there's no reason to do more matches. They can probably get a three-match series out of it. I'm also not even sure Brock-Braun needs to have a conclusive finish. How does it benefit anything for either guy to lose to the other at this point?



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Posted 30 August 2017 - 06:52 AM

Whatever they do, the key is to make it matter and have some weight. I think the idea that losing to Rocky started some sort of downward style for Cena wasn't actually born out in the text or the "selling" of it, but I like the general concept of it. Let's say Cena catches a superman punch attempt and turns it into an AA for a pin and it turns into some sort of actual character development for Reigns paid off whenever Cena gets back, great. 

 

I just have zero faith for them to manage that, or even to attempt it.



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Posted 30 August 2017 - 09:00 AM

I guess it doesn't really matter, but I'd put Cena over. There's no reason for Cena-Reigns to be one and done. When Reigns beats Cena, there's no reason to do more matches. They can probably get a three-match series out of it. I'm also not even sure Brock-Braun needs to have a conclusive finish. How does it benefit anything for either guy to lose to the other at this point?

I definitely don't think they are going to do a finish with Brock/Braun. They aren't going to have Braun win the title and I can't see them having Brock just beat Braun clean either.



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Posted 30 August 2017 - 12:12 PM

The problem with the Roman promo is that "Cena buries people," "golden shovel," etc. is straight out of IWC 2010. Do most people still believe that about Cena? IMO, no. It's outdated, like most everything the WWE eventually embraces.



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Posted 30 August 2017 - 12:25 PM

The problem with the Roman promo is that "Cena buries people," "golden shovel," etc. is straight out of IWC 2010. Do most people still believe that about Cena? IMO, no. It's outdated, like most everything the WWE eventually embraces.

Considering how many people were bitching about some very vague report that Cena "went off" on Corbin backstage at Smackdown and caused him to get "buried" I'd say a lot of people do still think that.



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Posted 30 August 2017 - 01:12 PM

 

Cena vs. Roman also sounds interesting. I'm guessing they will work as a passing of the torch type deal where Cena gets overwhelmed and realizes his time as the ace is officially up.     

 

Which will get shit on. Again. And Cena will remain the Man in the company, no matter what.

 

 

I mean it is likely he is eventually going to leave permanently like the Rock did in 03/04. They are going to have to do the changing of the guard type match at some point. Maybe not at No Mercy but eventually.



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Posted 30 August 2017 - 02:50 PM


The problem with the Roman promo is that "Cena buries people," "golden shovel," etc. is straight out of IWC 2010. Do most people still believe that about Cena? IMO, no. It's outdated, like most everything the WWE eventually embraces.

Considering how many people were bitching about some very vague report that Cena "went off" on Corbin backstage at Smackdown and caused him to get "buried" I'd say a lot of people do still think that.

As recently as a few weeks back I got into it with a "Cena Buries Talent Worse Than Triple H Does" guy in a FB group who went on and on, despite the only ACTUAL burial Cena did was of The Nexus at SummerSlam, and even then he admitted he was in the wrong (those with histories of political burials rarely own up to things not being good for business)!

But the guy wasn't convinced, and made the Triple H examples out to be "no big deals."




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