legace Posted September 12, 2017 Author Report Share Posted September 12, 2017 See, that's what I'm unsure of. I know he wrestled as the Swedish Angel. And the only substantial thing I have on him is he held the MWA World Title in 1943 in a quick flip with Orville Brown. But I really just know he was a wrestler who did a lot of Ed Wood's movies. I only know him as the Swedish Angel and for the Ed Wood films too, I'd imagine if any stuff of him IS out there it'd likely be newsreel clips. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
legace Posted September 12, 2017 Author Report Share Posted September 12, 2017 Has the 1962 Mick McManus vs Jackie Pallo been released/shown in its entirety? Only clips were ever shown on the BBC documentary time shift? The complete episode of that particular FA Cup Final special is circulating but only amongst a select few people, it's EXTREMELY rare. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ragemaster Posted September 12, 2017 Report Share Posted September 12, 2017 Â Has the 1962 Mick McManus vs Jackie Pallo been released/shown in its entirety? Only clips were ever shown on the BBC documentary time shift? The complete episode of that particular FA Cup Final special is circulating but only amongst a select few people, it's EXTREMELY rare. Â Â Makes you wonder how much more WOS is out there somewhere. Always wanted to see some early George Kidd or Billy Robinson. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
legace Posted September 12, 2017 Author Report Share Posted September 12, 2017 Â Â Has the 1962 Mick McManus vs Jackie Pallo been released/shown in its entirety? Only clips were ever shown on the BBC documentary time shift? The complete episode of that particular FA Cup Final special is circulating but only amongst a select few people, it's EXTREMELY rare. Â Â Makes you wonder how much more WOS is out there somewhere. Always wanted to see some early George Kidd or Billy Robinson. Â From what I've been told the person has the 1962 FA Cup show bought it from ITV directly along with some other stuff too, they apparently spent a pretty penny in order to obtain all the footage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ragemaster Posted September 12, 2017 Report Share Posted September 12, 2017 Do you know if they brought just a copy or the rights, so ITV don't have a copy or own it now. Hopefully they find a way to release it someday and not just sit on it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
legace Posted September 12, 2017 Author Report Share Posted September 12, 2017 Do you know if they brought just a copy or the rights, so ITV don't have a copy or own it now. Hopefully they find a way to release it someday and not just sit on it. It was just a British Wrestling fan who bought the footage for home use only, ITV still own the rights. I'd like to see them put some stuff on ITV Hub or something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Schneider Posted September 13, 2017 Report Share Posted September 13, 2017 If that is possible we should find a Brit to buy some stuff, raise a little cash and throw it on a google drive or something Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
legace Posted September 13, 2017 Author Report Share Posted September 13, 2017 If that is possible we should find a Brit to buy some stuff, raise a little cash and throw it on a google drive or something This is what British Wrestling expert John Lister told me when I asked him about it last year: Â "Before the 1970s all we have is an -- apparently quite large -- film reel archive held by one of the ITV regions covering the 50s and 60s. The problem is that it's unlabelled and they charge a fee of several hundred pounds simply to cue up a reel and see what's on it, then another similarly large fee to get a copy made, which is strictly licensed for personal use only and no copying. The only one of these reels that I know for sure to have been converted includes the 1962 Cup Final, which was dug out for the Northern Reunion a few years back. (This same reel, which had a few other shows, was the source of the archive material in the BBC Four Timeshift documentary.) The bad news is that the tape seems to be almost impossible to get hold of, simply because officially nobody is allowed to make a copy. I believe it is circulating, but have never managed to get a copy myself!". So there you have it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Schneider Posted September 13, 2017 Report Share Posted September 13, 2017 Feels like a fixable problem, obviously we would need a Brit willing to do the legwork, but crowd sourcing fees could work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peachchaos Posted September 13, 2017 Report Share Posted September 13, 2017 COMMANDER GILMOUR(into phone) Philips. 20 SCREEN 5 - SERGEANT PHILIPS AT HIS DESK Â SERGEANT PHILIPS picks up the phone. Â COMMANDER GILMOUR Call the President SCREEN 6 - THE WHITE HOUSE COMMANDER GILMOUR Prepare the jet... Â 22 SCREEN 7 - AN AIR FORCE JET ON A RUNWAY Â COMMANDER GILMOUR Get my overnight bag. Â 23 SCREEN 8 - AN OVERNIGHT BAG Â COMMANDER GILMOUR Philips, do me a favor and feed my fish. Â SCREEN 9 - FISH IN A TANK Â A hand enters and sprinkles fish food. COMMANDER GILMOUR Not too much! Â The hand re-enters and scoops up some of the fish food. Â COMMANDER GILMOUR I'm going to London, England. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
legace Posted September 14, 2017 Author Report Share Posted September 14, 2017 Feels like a fixable problem, obviously we would need a Brit willing to do the legwork, but crowd sourcing fees could work. Depends if enough people can be found who are willing to group together and raise the funds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Schneider Posted September 14, 2017 Report Share Posted September 14, 2017 I am going to move this discussion over the Village Green folder Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JHawk Posted September 14, 2017 Report Share Posted September 14, 2017 The Carnera-Londos match from 2/3/1950 is from Chicago. Â Also available from that card were Benito Gardini vs. Antonino Rocca and Gene Stanlee vs. Kola Kwariani, which were both released on Wrestling's Greatest Heroes "The Golden Era". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
legace Posted September 14, 2017 Author Report Share Posted September 14, 2017 I am going to move this discussion over the Village Green folder What's that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
legace Posted September 14, 2017 Author Report Share Posted September 14, 2017 The Carnera-Londos match from 2/3/1950 is from Chicago. Â Also available from that card were Benito Gardini vs. Antonino Rocca and Gene Stanlee vs. Kola Kwariani, which were both released on Wrestling's Greatest Heroes "The Golden Era". Yeah I'm gonna start work on the Chicago territory soon, when I do I'll start a list of all the matches there, thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ohtani's jacket Posted September 15, 2017 Report Share Posted September 15, 2017 These are the 60s British matches I have: Â Len Wilding vs. Jack Cunningham (10/28/61 TV) Albert Wall vs. Ernie Riley (11/25/61 TV) Billy Howes vs. Jacques Lageat (5/5/62) Mick McManus vs. Jackie Pallo (5/5/62) Honey Boy Zimba vs. Docker Don Steadman (10/18/67 TV) Alan Miquet vs. Tony Borg (10/18/67 TV) Julien Morice vs. Johnny Williams (9/20/69) Peter Szakacs vs. Len Hurst (late 60s) Tibor Szakacs vs. Ivor "Pat" Barratt (late 60s) Wild Man of Borneo & Steve Haggerty vs. Ray Hunter & Al Hayes (Paul Lincoln Promotions 1960s) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ohtani's jacket Posted September 15, 2017 Report Share Posted September 15, 2017 French catch: Â Albert Falaux vs. Guy Robin (1953) Â Gilbert Cesca vs. Billy Catanzarro Jean Rabut vs. Venta Costella (1/22/60) Michel Allary vs. Jack de Lassartesse (1/22/60) Isha Israel/Jean Corne vs. Les Blousons Noirs (Claude Gessat/Marcel Mannevau) (4/21/60) Michel Allary vs. Johnny Stein (1960) Jack de Lassartesse/Robert Duranton vs. Andre Drapp/Bernard Vignal (1/20/61) Dan Aubriot vs. Pierre Bernaert (9/11/62) Bernard Vignal vs. Grand Vladimir (5/15/64) Les Copains (Dan Aubroit/Bob Plantin) vs. Les Blousons Noirs (Claude Gessat/Marcel Mannevau) (5/15/64) Rene Ben Chemoul/Gilbert Cesca vs. The Black Diamonds (2/28/65) Gilbert Cesca/Rene Ben Chemoul vs. Anton Tejero/Inca Peruano (3/12/65) Remy Bayle/Dan Abriot vs. Victor Castilla/Pancho Zapata (11/28/65) Cheri Bibi/Eric Husberg vs. Marcel Montreal/Remy Bayle (1965) Le Vicomte Joel de Noirbreuil & Pierre Lagache vs. Georges Cohen & Abraham Edery (10/16/66) Bruno Asquini/Gilbert Leduc vs. Les Blousons Noirs (Claude Gessat/Marcel Mannevau) (5/6/67) Anton Tejero vs. Walter Bordes (8/29/67) Michel Saulnier vs. Le Petit Prince (9/30/67) Batman vs. Teddy Boy (9/30/67) Francis Louis vs. Bob Plantin (1968) Rene Ben Chemoul vs. Gilbert Cesca Gilbert Cesca vs. Cheri Bibi Teddy Boys (Aldolphe Sevre/Robert Le Boulch) vs. Gilbert Cesca/Rene Ben Chemoul Gilbert Cesca/ ReneBen Chemoul vs. Cheri Bibi/Pierre Bernaert Francis Sullivan/Albert Sanniez vs. Bernard Caclard/Tony Martino Albert Falaux/Bob Elandon vs. Rene Cabellec/Gilbert Puydebat Les Celtes (Jean Corne/Michel Falempin) vs. Inca Viracocha et Jose Gonzales ('68?) Bruno Asquini/Gilbert Cesca vs. Les Blousons Noirs (Claude Gessat/Marcel Mannevau) Iska Khan/Gen Tilly vs. Yves Amor/Pierre Rouanet Gilbert Leduc vs. Quasimodo Gilbert Leduc vs. Le Bourreau de Bethune Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ohtani's jacket Posted September 15, 2017 Report Share Posted September 15, 2017 There's also these matches from Iraq; Â John Lees vs. Adnan Al-Kaissie (Iraq, 1960s) Ian Campbell vs. Adnan Al-Kaissie (Baghdad, 1960s) Ian Campbell vs. Adnan Al-Kaissie (Karbala, 1960s) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
legace Posted September 15, 2017 Author Report Share Posted September 15, 2017 Â These are the 60s British matches I have: Â Len Wilding vs. Jack Cunningham (10/28/61 TV) Albert Wall vs. Ernie Riley (11/25/61 TV) Billy Howes vs. Jacques Lageat (5/5/62) Mick McManus vs. Jackie Pallo (5/5/62) Honey Boy Zimba vs. Docker Don Steadman (10/18/67 TV) Alan Miquet vs. Tony Borg (10/18/67 TV) Julien Morice vs. Johnny Williams (9/20/69) Peter Szakacs vs. Len Hurst (late 60s) Tibor Szakacs vs. Ivor "Pat" Barratt (late 60s) Wild Man of Borneo & Steve Haggerty vs. Ray Hunter & Al Hayes (Paul Lincoln Promotions 1960s) Â Wow okay I'll add these to the ITV/WOS list on page 1 of this thread. BTW did any Paul Lincoln Promotions stuff ever air on ITV? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
legace Posted September 15, 2017 Author Report Share Posted September 15, 2017  French catch:  Albert Falaux vs. Guy Robin (1953)  Gilbert Cesca vs. Billy Catanzarro Jean Rabut vs. Venta Costella (1/22/60) Michel Allary vs. Jack de Lassartesse (1/22/60) Isha Israel/Jean Corne vs. Les Blousons Noirs (Claude Gessat/Marcel Mannevau) (4/21/60) Michel Allary vs. Johnny Stein (1960) Jack de Lassartesse/Robert Duranton vs. Andre Drapp/Bernard Vignal (1/20/61) Dan Aubriot vs. Pierre Bernaert (9/11/62) Bernard Vignal vs. Grand Vladimir (5/15/64) Les Copains (Dan Aubroit/Bob Plantin) vs. Les Blousons Noirs (Claude Gessat/Marcel Mannevau) (5/15/64) Rene Ben Chemoul/Gilbert Cesca vs. The Black Diamonds (2/28/65) Gilbert Cesca/Rene Ben Chemoul vs. Anton Tejero/Inca Peruano (3/12/65) Remy Bayle/Dan Abriot vs. Victor Castilla/Pancho Zapata (11/28/65) Cheri Bibi/Eric Husberg vs. Marcel Montreal/Remy Bayle (1965) Le Vicomte Joel de Noirbreuil & Pierre Lagache vs. Georges Cohen & Abraham Edery (10/16/66) Bruno Asquini/Gilbert Leduc vs. Les Blousons Noirs (Claude Gessat/Marcel Mannevau) (5/6/67) Anton Tejero vs. Walter Bordes (8/29/67) Michel Saulnier vs. Le Petit Prince (9/30/67) Batman vs. Teddy Boy (9/30/67) Francis Louis vs. Bob Plantin (1968) Rene Ben Chemoul vs. Gilbert Cesca Gilbert Cesca vs. Cheri Bibi Teddy Boys (Aldolphe Sevre/Robert Le Boulch) vs. Gilbert Cesca/Rene Ben Chemoul Gilbert Cesca/ ReneBen Chemoul vs. Cheri Bibi/Pierre Bernaert Francis Sullivan/Albert Sanniez vs. Bernard Caclard/Tony Martino Albert Falaux/Bob Elandon vs. Rene Cabellec/Gilbert Puydebat Les Celtes (Jean Corne/Michel Falempin) vs. Inca Viracocha et Jose Gonzales ('68?) Bruno Asquini/Gilbert Cesca vs. Les Blousons Noirs (Claude Gessat/Marcel Mannevau) Iska Khan/Gen Tilly vs. Yves Amor/Pierre Rouanet Gilbert Leduc vs. Quasimodo Gilbert Leduc vs. Le Bourreau de Bethune  Great stuff mate! Is this a complete list of what French Catch exists in general? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
legace Posted September 15, 2017 Author Report Share Posted September 15, 2017 Â There's also these matches from Iraq; Â John Lees vs. Adnan Al-Kaissie (Iraq, 1960s) Ian Campbell vs. Adnan Al-Kaissie (Baghdad, 1960s) Ian Campbell vs. Adnan Al-Kaissie (Karbala, 1960s) Â Didn't even know Iraqi wrestling existed on film, is this a complete list too? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GSR Posted September 15, 2017 Report Share Posted September 15, 2017 You can multi quote you know! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
legace Posted September 15, 2017 Author Report Share Posted September 15, 2017 You can multi quote you know! I'm new to this, so were you once. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ohtani's jacket Posted September 17, 2017 Report Share Posted September 17, 2017 Great stuff mate! Is this a complete list of what French Catch exists in general? Â It's a list of everything I've seen. The dates and names may not be 100% accurate. Â The Iraq stuff is on YouTube. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
legace Posted September 17, 2017 Author Report Share Posted September 17, 2017 Â Great stuff mate! Is this a complete list of what French Catch exists in general? It's a list of everything I've seen. The dates and names may not be 100% accurate. Â The Iraq stuff is on YouTube. Â Okay thanks so much for that info, I know next to nothing about French Catch. Would that be all you've come across from Iraq? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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