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Posted 10 September 2017 - 04:35 PM

Does anyone know the story of HOW those WWWF 4 shows happened to survive?



#22 peachchaos

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Posted 10 September 2017 - 06:05 PM

Corey lists this as being from Long Island City, NY

 

06/09/32 Unknown Ed Strangler Lewis vs Dick Shikat

 

----Actually, Steve Yohe also has it being there

 

Lewis was brought into New York City in June and, right away, was booked into a contenders match with Dick Shikat on June 9, 1932 in Long Island City's (Queens) new Madison Square Garden Bowl. The winner would get a title match with Londos.

 

Just quoting this so it doesn't get lost on the bottom of the page. 

 

Trust in Yohe, always.



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Posted 11 September 2017 - 05:57 AM

Do any of Tor Johnson's matches still exist on film?

I personally haven't come across any as yet but if I do it'll be posted here.



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Posted 11 September 2017 - 05:58 AM

Corey lists this as being from Long Island City, NY

 

06/09/32 Unknown Ed Strangler Lewis vs Dick Shikat

 

----Actually, Steve Yohe also has it being there

 

Lewis was brought into New York City in June and, right away, was booked into a contenders match with Dick Shikat on June 9, 1932 in Long Island City's (Queens) new Madison Square Garden Bowl. The winner would get a title match with Londos.

Yeah this match was already listed above but it's always nice to read extra info on stuff so thanks.



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Posted 11 September 2017 - 05:59 AM

Does anyone know the story of HOW those WWWF 4 shows happened to survive?

I think the guy who obtained them did so direct from the TV channel they aired on rather than from WWWF themselves.



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Posted 11 September 2017 - 06:52 AM

Here is what I've found so far from JPWA/JWA, this is an ongoing project so if anyone can think of something that isn't on this list then feel free to contribute, if I come across anything else I will add it as I go along -

 

Japan Pro Wrestling Alliance (1954 - 1963).

 

1954

 

1) Rikidozan & Masahiko Kimura -vs- Ben & Mike Sharpe (February 19th, 1954 - Rikidozan: A Look Back Part II/25th Anniversary Of Japanese Wrestling).

2) Rikidozan & Masahiko Kimura -vs- Ben & Mike Sharpe (February 21st, 1954 - 2/3 Falls Match - Rikidozan: A Look Back Part I).
3) Rikidozan & Masahiko Kimura -vs- Ben & Mike Sharpe (February 27th, 1954).
4) Rikidozan & Masahiko Kimura -vs- Ben & Mike Sharpe (March 6th, 1954).

5) Rikidozan & Surugaumi -vs- Hans Schnabel & Lou Newman (August 6th, 1954 - Rikidozan: A Look Back Part I).
6) Rikidozan & Kokichi Endo -vs- Hans Schnabel & Lou Newman (August 8th, 1954).
7) Rikidozan, Kokichi Endo & Oki Shikina -vs- Hans Schnabel, Lou Newman & Bob Olsen (August 25th, 1954).
8) Rikidozan & Kokichi Endo -vs- Hans Schnabel & Lou Newman (September 10th, 1954).
9) Rikidozan & Kokichi Endo -vs- Hans Schnabel & Lou Newman (September 21st, 1954).

10) Rikidozan -vs- Masahiko Kimura (December 22nd, 1954 - 2/3 Falls Match - Rikidozan: A Look Back Part II/25th Anniversary Of Japanese Wrestling).

 

1955

 

1) Rikidozan -vs- Toshio Yamaguchi (January 28th, 1955 - mislabelled January 26th, 1955 - 2/3 Falls Match).

2) Rikidozan & Azumafuji -vs- Primo Carnera & Hardy Kruskamp (July 15th, 1955).

3) Azumafuji -vs- Jess Ortega (July 16th, 1955 - Rikidozan: A Look Back Part I).
4) Rikidōzan & Kokichi Endo -vs- Bob Orton & Bud Curtis (July 23rd, 1955 - Rikidozan: A Look Back Part I).
5) Rikidozan & Azumafuji -vs- Jess Ortega & Bud Curtis (July 28th, 1955).
6) Rikidozan -vs- Jess Ortega (September 7th, 1955).
7) Harold Sakata -vs- Kokichi Endo (November 9th, 1955).
8) King Kong Czaya -vs- Dara Singh (November 9th, 1955).
9) Rikidozan & Azumafuji -vs- Tiger Joginder & Syed Saif Shah (November 9th, 1955).
10) Rikidozan & Harold Sakata -vs- Dara Singh & Syed Saif Shah (November 14th, 1955).
11) Rikidozan & Harold Sakata -vs- King Kong Czaya & Tiger Jokinder Singh (November 15th, 1955 - 2/3 Falls Match).
12) Rikidozan -vs- Dara Singh (November 19th, 1955).
13) Rikidozan -vs- King Kong Czaya (November 22nd, 1955).

 

1957

 

1) Rikidozan -vs- Bobo Brazil (August 14th, 1957).
2) Rikidozan & Toyonbori -vs- Lord Layton & Bobo Brazil (August 15th, 1957 - 2/3 Falls Match - Rikidozan: A Look Back Part I).
3) Lou Thesz -vs- Rikidozan (October 7th, 1957).
4) Lou Thesz -vs- Rikidozan (October 13th, 1957 - 2/3 Falls Match - Rikidozan: A Look Back Part II/25th Anniversary Of Japanese Wrestling).

 

1959

 

1) Rikidozan -vs- Mr. Atomic (June 15th, 1959 - Rikidozan: A Look Back Part I & II).
2) Rikidozan -vs- Jess Ortega (June 15th, 1959 - Rikidozan: A Look Back Part I/25th Anniversary Of Japanese Wrestling/Rikidozan: A Look Back Part II).

 

1960

 

1) Rikidozan -vs- Leo Nomellini (May 13th, 1960 - 25th Anniversary Of Japanese Wrestling/Rikidozan: A Look Back Part I).

 

1961

 

1) Karl Krauser -vs- Michiaki Yoshimura (May 1st, 1961).
2) Rikidozan -vs- The Great Antonio (June 2nd, 1961 - Rikidozan: A Look Back Part II/25th Anniversary Of Japanese Wrestling).
3) Rikidozan -vs- Mr. X (July 21st, 1961).

 

1962

 

1) Rikidozan -vs- Fred Blassie (April 23rd, 1962 - Rikidozan: A Look Back Part I & II/25th Anniversary Of Japanese Wrestling).
2) Rikidozan -vs- Freddie Blassie (Aired on JPWA TV - July 25th, 1962 - Rikidozan: A Look Back Part II).
3) Rikidozan -vs- Art Mahalik (November 30th, 1962 - Rikidozan: A Look Back Part I).

 

1963

 

1) Michiaki Yoshimura -vs- Killer Kowalski (March 23rd, 1963).
2) Rikidozan, The Great Togo & Giant Baba -vs- Pat O'Connor, Killer X & Bob Ellis (March 23rd, 1963).
3) Kokichi Endo -vs- Sandor Szabo (March 24th, 1963).
4) Killer Kowalski -vs- Giant Baba (March 24th, 1963).
5) Rikidozan -vs- Haystack Calhoun (March 24th, 1963).
6) The Great Togo -vs- Sandor Szabo (March 27th, 1963).
7) Pat O'Connor -vs- Michiaki Yoshimura (March 27th, 1963).
8) Rikidozan, Toyonbori & Giant Baba -vs- Killer Kowalski, Killer X & Gino Marella (March 27th, 1963).
9) Toyonbori -vs- Gino Marella (March 28th, 1963).
10) Rikidozan & Giant Baba -vs- Killer Kowalski & Pat O'Connor (March 28th, 1963).
11) Killer X -vs- Kintaro Ohki (April 11th, 1963).
12) Haystack Calhoun -vs- Fred Atkins (April 12th, 1963).
13) Giant Baba -vs- Pat O'Connor (April 12th, 1963).
14) Gino Marella -vs- Bob Ellis (April 13th, 1963).
15) Mammoth Suzuki -vs- Fred Atkins (April 15th, 1963).
16) Michiaki Yoshimura -vs- Killer X (April 17th, 1963).
17) Rikidozan -vs- Haystack Calhoun (April 17th, 1963).
18) Gino Marella -vs- Giant Baba (April 23rd, 1963).
19) Rikidozan, The Great Togo & Michiaki Yoshimura -vs- Haystack Calhoun, Killer Kowalski & Killer X (April 23rd, 1963).
20) Rikidozan -vs- Pat O'Connor (April 24th, 1963).
21) Toyonbori -vs- Frank Townsend (May 5th, 1963).
22) The Great Togo & Michiaki Yoshimura -vs- Gino Marella & Killer Kowalski (May 5th, 1963).
23) Rikidozan & Toyonobori -vs- Killer Kowalski & Fred Atkins (May 6th, 1963).
24) Haystack Calhoun -vs- Frank Townsend (May 7th, 1963).
25) The Great Togo & Toyonobori -vs- Frank Townsend & Fred Atkins (May 17th, 1963).
26) Rikidozan -vs- Killer Kowalski (May 17th, 1963).
27) Rikidozan -vs- The Destroyer December 2nd, 1963).

 

Japanese Wrestling Association (1964 - 1969).

 

1964

 

1) The Destroyer, Bill Dromo & Kurt Von Stroheim -vs- Toyonobori, Giant Baba & Michiaki Yoshimura (December 1st, 1964).

 

1965

 

1) Toyonobori -vs- The Destroyer (February 26th, 1965).

 

1966

 

1) Giant Baba -vs- Fritz Von Erich (December 3rd, 1966).

 

1967

 

1) Giant Baba -vs- Bruno Sammartino (March 2nd, 1967).
2) Kintaro Ohki & Michiaki Yoshimura -vs- Buddy Austin & Hans Schmidt (March 7th, 1967).
3) Giant Baba -vs- Bruno Sammartino (March, 7th, 1967 - 2/3 Falls Match - 25th Anniversary Of Japanese Wrestling).
4) Giant Baba -vs- Gene Kiniski (August 14th, 1967).
5) Antonio Inoki & Michiaki Yoshimura -vs- Baron Scicluna & Victor Rivera (December 6th, 1967 - 2/3 Falls Match).
6) Giant Baba -vs- Crusher Lisowski (December 6th, 1967 - 2/3 Falls Match).

 

1968

 

1) Giant Baba -vs- Crusher Lisowski (January 3rd, 1968 - 25th Anniversary Of Japanese Wrestling).
2) Giant Baba -vs- Dick The Bruiser (February 28th, 1968 - 25th Anniversary Of Japanese Wrestling).
3) Bobo Brazil -vs- Giant Baba (June 25th, 1968).

4) Giant Baba -vs- Bobo Brazil (June 27th, 1968 - 25th Anniversary Of Japanese Wrestling).
5) Giant Baba -vs- Bruno Sammartino (August 7th, 1968 - 2/3 Falls Match).

 

1969

 

1) Giant Baba -vs- The Destroyer (March 5th, 1969 - 2/3 Falls Match).
2) Kintaro Ohki -vs- Tom Andrews (April 5th, 1969 - mislabelled April 6th, 1969).
3) Giant Baba & Kintaro Ohki -vs- Bobo Brazil & Chris Markoff (April 16th, 1969).
4) Antonio Inoki -vs- Chris Markoff (May 16th, 1969 - 25th Anniversary Of Japanese Wrestling).
5) Giant Baba & Antonio Inoki -vs- Crusher Lisowski & Dick The Bruiser (August 13th, 1969).
6) Antonio Inoki -vs- Dory Funk Jr (December 2nd, 1969 - 2/3 Falls Match).
7) Giant Baba -vs- Dory Funk Jr (December 3rd, 1969).
8) Giant Baba -vs- Fritz Von Erich (Aired on JWA TV - December 19th, 1969 - 2/3 Falls Match).
 



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Posted 11 September 2017 - 07:00 AM

Okay I'm gonna begin here with the WWWF, there's not an awful lot floating around out there right now so this is a fairly short list, I will be adding stuff to the list if and when any more becomes available. I'll also be adding stuff from the other promotions that I've come across as I go along too, I'm still working on the Capitol Wrestling Corporation list so for now here's the list of all existing WWWF pre-1970 footage which I believe is is complete -

 

I noticed that list was missing WWWF TV December 2, 1965. I know there was a Bobby Davis stuff from the 50s but those early 60s WWWF I believe there was 4 episodes.

 

Here are what exists from ITV Wrestling and World Of Sport pre-1970 -

 

 

Regarding pre 1970s from ITV I think there is alot more 60s matches out there as I remember years ago Sky Sports was airing some old WOS matches that were black and white footage. No idea what aired as I only caught the odd one or two when I came from the city early on a weekday so haven't a clue what they aired.



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Posted 11 September 2017 - 11:24 AM

 

Okay I'm gonna begin here with the WWWF, there's not an awful lot floating around out there right now so this is a fairly short list, I will be adding stuff to the list if and when any more becomes available. I'll also be adding stuff from the other promotions that I've come across as I go along too, I'm still working on the Capitol Wrestling Corporation list so for now here's the list of all existing WWWF pre-1970 footage which I believe is is complete -

 

I noticed that list was missing WWWF TV December 2, 1965. I know there was a Bobby Davis stuff from the 50s but those early 60s WWWF I believe there was 4 episodes.

 

Here are what exists from ITV Wrestling and World Of Sport pre-1970 -

 

 

Regarding pre 1970s from ITV I think there is alot more 60s matches out there as I remember years ago Sky Sports was airing some old WOS matches that were black and white footage. No idea what aired as I only caught the odd one or two when I came from the city early on a weekday so haven't a clue what they aired.

 

Yeah the episode that is listed by some as December 2nd, 1965 is mislabelled, the actual date is January 20th, 1966, I'll add that info to the list.

 

As for the World Of Sport stuff, the only thing I can think of that you MIGHT be talking about is this:

 

"Sky Sports Classics

 

This series of 8 shows aired on Sky Sports 3 in the summer of 1998. Hosted by Jeff Stelling, it combined archive matches with contemporary interviews with former TV stars".

 

The above was taken from British Wrestling expert John Lister's itvwrestling.co.uk site, I recently asked him if he remembers any pre-1970 stuff airing on Sky Sports Classics and he said this: "I don't think the Sky Sports Classics or Waddell's Wrestling Show had any vintage stuff -- I believe it was taken from the same set of 70s/80s tapes used to produce the two DVDs".



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Posted 11 September 2017 - 04:25 PM

 

Do any of Tor Johnson's matches still exist on film?

I personally haven't come across any as yet but if I do it'll be posted here.

 

 

That's a shame. I've been trying to find some of him and have had zero luck. 



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Posted 11 September 2017 - 05:54 PM

 

 

Do any of Tor Johnson's matches still exist on film?

I personally haven't come across any as yet but if I do it'll be posted here.

 

 

That's a shame. I've been trying to find some of him and have had zero luck. 

 

I guess the best people to ask would be Steve Yohe or one of those lads. Which promotions did Johnson most famously work for?



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Posted 11 September 2017 - 08:12 PM

See, that's what I'm unsure of. I know he wrestled as the Swedish Angel. And the only substantial thing I have on him is he held the MWA World Title in 1943 in a quick flip with Orville Brown. But I really just know he was a wrestler who did a lot of Ed Wood's movies.



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Posted 11 September 2017 - 09:22 PM

Has the 1962 Mick McManus vs Jackie Pallo been released/shown in its entirety?

Only clips were ever shown on the BBC documentary time shift?



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Posted 12 September 2017 - 02:03 PM

See, that's what I'm unsure of. I know he wrestled as the Swedish Angel. And the only substantial thing I have on him is he held the MWA World Title in 1943 in a quick flip with Orville Brown. But I really just know he was a wrestler who did a lot of Ed Wood's movies.

I only know him as the Swedish Angel and for the Ed Wood films too, I'd imagine if any stuff of him IS out there it'd likely be newsreel clips.



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Posted 12 September 2017 - 02:05 PM

Has the 1962 Mick McManus vs Jackie Pallo been released/shown in its entirety?

Only clips were ever shown on the BBC documentary time shift?

The complete episode of that particular FA Cup Final special is circulating but only amongst a select few people, it's EXTREMELY rare.



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Posted 12 September 2017 - 03:30 PM

 

Has the 1962 Mick McManus vs Jackie Pallo been released/shown in its entirety?

Only clips were ever shown on the BBC documentary time shift?

The complete episode of that particular FA Cup Final special is circulating but only amongst a select few people, it's EXTREMELY rare.

 

 

Makes you wonder how much more WOS is out there somewhere.

Always wanted to see some early George Kidd or Billy Robinson.



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Posted 12 September 2017 - 03:44 PM

 

 

Has the 1962 Mick McManus vs Jackie Pallo been released/shown in its entirety?

Only clips were ever shown on the BBC documentary time shift?

The complete episode of that particular FA Cup Final special is circulating but only amongst a select few people, it's EXTREMELY rare.

 

 

Makes you wonder how much more WOS is out there somewhere.

Always wanted to see some early George Kidd or Billy Robinson.

 

From what I've been told the person has the 1962 FA Cup show bought it from ITV directly along with some other stuff too, they apparently spent a pretty penny in order to obtain all the footage.



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Posted 12 September 2017 - 04:52 PM

Do you know if they brought just a copy or the rights, so ITV don't have a copy or own it now.

Hopefully they find a way to release it someday and not just sit on it.  



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Posted 12 September 2017 - 04:55 PM

Do you know if they brought just a copy or the rights, so ITV don't have a copy or own it now.

Hopefully they find a way to release it someday and not just sit on it.  

It was just a British Wrestling fan who bought the footage for home use only, ITV still own the rights. I'd like to see them put some stuff on ITV Hub or something.



#39 Phil Schneider

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Posted 12 September 2017 - 06:54 PM

If that is possible we should find a Brit to buy some stuff, raise a little cash and throw it on a google drive or something

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Posted 12 September 2017 - 08:48 PM

If that is possible we should find a Brit to buy some stuff, raise a little cash and throw it on a google drive or something

This is what British Wrestling expert John Lister told me when I asked him about it last year:

 

"Before the 1970s all we have is an -- apparently quite large -- film reel archive held by one of the ITV regions covering the 50s and 60s. The problem is that it's unlabelled and they charge a fee of several hundred pounds simply to cue up a reel and see what's on it, then another similarly large fee to get a copy made, which is strictly licensed for personal use only and no copying.

 
The only one of these reels that I know for sure to have been converted includes the 1962 Cup Final, which was dug out for the Northern Reunion a few years back. (This same reel, which had a few other shows, was the source of the archive material in the BBC Four Timeshift documentary.)
 
The bad news is that the tape seems to be almost impossible to get hold of, simply because officially nobody is allowed to make a copy. I believe it is circulating, but have never managed to get a copy myself!".
 
So there you have it.





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