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#21 Cox

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Posted 28 November 2017 - 09:39 PM

Their best chance at doing this would be if they could book a 10,000 seat arena during Wrestlemania weekend but my guess is that's likely impossible. With 60,000+ wrestling fans in town already, it would be more conceivable to find a way to get 10,000 into the building than any other weekend, when they would have to travel specifically to see one show. My guess is they probably won't be able to do that.

That said, even though I don't really like the Bucks or Cody, I hope this is successful. I don't know if I'd like their vision of wrestling (I suspect I wouldn't) but it would be nice to see a successful US based wrestling promotion in the year 2017 that isn't WWE. I'm not even a WWE hater, but they've felt so stale for so long, even when the in-ring has been good to great. If you look at how wrestling was presented in the 80's to the 2000's, it felt like there was a real evolution. 1981 is very different from 1988, which is different from 1995, which is different from 2002. But has wrestling drastically changed in the past 15 years? WWE has dominated the US, and their show looks identical now, albeit with a much more toned down product. TNA tried for years to replace WCW, with much smaller viewership but with more of the incompetence. ROH has grown but has only recently solidified themselves as the #2 group.

WWE has more good workers now than they have had at any point and yet, the product feels so stale because it has stayed so safe. They need a threat, however small, to kick themselves in the ass and freshen things up. I'm not sure if the Bullet Club are the thing that will accomplish that, but even though I mostly don't like any of them (Hangman Page is OK, and I'll never hate on a Tongan), I hope they find success for the good of the US wrestling scene.

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Posted 28 November 2017 - 09:42 PM

This isn't a promotion though; it's Woodstock 1999.



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Posted 28 November 2017 - 09:49 PM

I think they'd do well if they look at the current US wrestling scene and try to deviate. Bullet Club merch is carried in a prime retailer for wrestling's favorite demographic ("rebellious" teenagers), making them instantly cool to a sizable audience, and what better way to draw those little Manic Panic shits in than by saying "this ain't TVPG WWE"?

That said, teenagers don't travel very far, and today's youth care more about sharing virtual experiences than actively pursuing them in the flesh. Best bet? As others have said, push hard with NJPW talent, try to get Punk to make a return in Chicago, try Bryan, and BUY ALL THE ADS.

Seriously. So many shows, even stuff on the level of ROH, try to get by with word-of-mouth and/or tired media. Hanging a few posters beneath the missing (and likely dead) cat won't cut it, taking to Twitter won't cut it, grow up and buy some TV ad time and some radio space.

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Posted 28 November 2017 - 10:14 PM

I want to say there have been some big-drawing lucha libre shows in the U.S. post-WCW. What was the one with Santo that drew 5K?


Someone on the F4W board mentioned a show in Atlanta with LA Park that drew 6500. Can anyone vouch for this?

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Posted 28 November 2017 - 10:37 PM

I think Kris Zellner has had talked about that Atlanta show.

In the past month I've gone to a ROH and local lucha libre show that have legitimately drawn around 1200-1500 each. The lucha show was built around Penta and Fenix, while the ROH show was built around Kenny Omega's first San Antonio appearance.

I wish them luck but 10K sounds unlikely. I like that they are attempting this though and hope they do great. Penta, Fenix, and Rey Mysterio Jr. could help the card out a lot.

Funniest outcome would be if they announce attendance as 10K, and Dave Meltzer goes on Twitter to say it was 8,800 fans or something. All hell would break lose on Twitter. But overall, pretty interested in seeing how this all plays out.



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Posted 28 November 2017 - 10:51 PM

This isn't a promotion though; it's Woodstock 1999.

My guess is it will wind up being branded a "Bullet Club" show and will have mostly ROH and New Japan talent. It will basically be if nWo Souled Out was the biggest event WCW ran in 1998.



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Posted 28 November 2017 - 11:03 PM

Part of me thinks the key to all of this might be Amell. Hes got a way bigger following than the Bullet Club. Molly style.

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Posted 28 November 2017 - 11:08 PM

I had forgotten that Amell appeared at SummerSlam years ago, didn't even realized he or his show had a following and was shocked at how popular he was at the ROH in San Antonio.

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Posted 28 November 2017 - 11:33 PM

Even if PWG, Lucha Underground, AAA, PROGRESS, ROH, and NJPW all joined forces for a mega show--its not hitting 10,000. I doubt Cody and Team would want to invite Impact (though [some will think] ADR, Lashley, EC3, LAX, and OvE would make nice additions to the card). It will need to be the WCW/New Japan Supershow of 2017.



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Posted 29 November 2017 - 12:21 AM

If this show is anywhere close, I'll grab a buddy or my GF & hit it up. Ya know they're gonna try to go all out on the card and I don't wanna miss out on the live experience. That's going to be an electric crowd.

 

I would love to be able to see Pentagon live. Maybe they could grab him. That'd be cool. There's very few wrestlers that I wanted to see live that I never got the opportunity. Only André the Giant comes to mind. I've seen Cody live, from back in his WWE days but I've not seen the Young Bucks yet.

 

EDIT : "Chicago, London, San Francisco and Ontario (CA) being the location front-runners." - I could do Chicago only from those options.


Edited by Coffey, 29 November 2017 - 01:51 AM.


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Posted 29 November 2017 - 12:43 AM

How much did Hogan draw for that "big" Memphis show a decade ago, the one he thought would lead to a full tour? 4,000?



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Posted 29 November 2017 - 01:38 AM

If they run at the right time of year, in the right market, I think they have a pretty good shot of hitting the 10,000 mark.  They are smart business guys regardless of your feelings on them as talents and they will likely promote and build this thing for months and months.  There branding is excellent, and they are icons for a certain sort of wrestling fan.  As Matt noted, the show will be seen as a hardcore fan pilgrimage, both a way to stick it to Vince, and a way to illustrate that someone is part of the cool kid table.  If they get to 8k plus in a pre-sale you can bet your ass they will slash remaining ticket prices the last week to desperately get to that number, and it wouldn't shock me to see them heavily paper at the tail end if need be to get 10k in the building even if it isn't 10k paid.  I am virtually certain this will be the largest drawing U.S. indie show in history if they do it in the U.S., though I think it's possible they do it in the UK.  Of the U.S. places listed as options I personally think the smartest place to run is Chicago because it's a central location, with two major airports, and maybe the most vibrant indie wrestling culture in the U.S.  But I'm sure they know their fanbase better than I do.



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Posted 29 November 2017 - 02:06 AM

I personally dont give a fuck one way or another, but the people who are shitting on this are truly the worst example of human beings. Why wouldnt you want to be supportive of people trying to achieve something based on hard work and passion?
Heres a Fucking notion, how about putting aside your nerd bullshit about rasslin and recognize that there are folks willing to try to do something and take a risk to get ahead? Its a far better attitude than finding reasons to shit on it.
I dont care about Bullet Club and I probably wont watch the show, just like most of you fucking dum dums.
But this geek backlash Im seeing all over the Internet places we frequent against guys showing initiative is fucking awful. And you all of you perpetrating it need to be embarrassed and kill yourselves.
Its the only way to stop this awful thinking from spreading to the next gener..,
Oh, I forgot about the fact that the only thing these dummies are spreading is cream cheese on their fingers. Stop stinking.

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Posted 29 November 2017 - 05:23 AM

I personally dont give a fuck one way or another, but the people who are shitting on this are truly the worst example of human beings. Why wouldnt you want to be supportive of people trying to achieve something based on hard work and passion?
Heres a Fucking notion, how about putting aside your nerd bullshit about rasslin and recognize that there are folks willing to try to do something and take a risk to get ahead? Its a far better attitude than finding reasons to shit on it.
I dont care about Bullet Club and I probably wont watch the show, just like most of you fucking dum dums.
But this geek backlash Im seeing all over the Internet places we frequent against guys showing initiative is fucking awful. And you all of you perpetrating it need to be embarrassed and kill yourselves.
Its the only way to stop this awful thinking from spreading to the next gener..,
Oh, I forgot about the fact that the only thing these dummies are spreading is cream cheese on their fingers. Stop stinking.


This is the worst post ever

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Posted 29 November 2017 - 09:19 AM

I'm there if it's in Chicago.

 

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Posted 29 November 2017 - 09:21 AM

This isn't a promotion though; it's Woodstock 1999.

 

Just without the rape, ideally.



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Posted 29 November 2017 - 09:21 AM

I personally dont give a fuck one way or another, but the people who are shitting on this are truly the worst example of human beings. Why wouldnt you want to be supportive of people trying to achieve something based on hard work and passion?
Heres a Fucking notion, how about putting aside your nerd bullshit about rasslin and recognize that there are folks willing to try to do something and take a risk to get ahead? Its a far better attitude than finding reasons to shit on it.
I dont care about Bullet Club and I probably wont watch the show, just like most of you fucking dum dums.
But this geek backlash Im seeing all over the Internet places we frequent against guys showing initiative is fucking awful. And you all of you perpetrating it need to be embarrassed and kill yourselves.
Its the only way to stop this awful thinking from spreading to the next gener..,
Oh, I forgot about the fact that the only thing these dummies are spreading is cream cheese on their fingers. Stop stinking.

 

I wish them well too. This transcends personal tastes in pro wrestling. But this post is out of line. Come on.



#38 PeteF3

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Posted 29 November 2017 - 09:35 AM

For someone who preaches about how wrestling is to be enjoyed and for fun, Johnnny sure doesn't seem to be having much fun talking about it with others. Unless this is his "Oh, you know I don't actually mean all this" shtick again.



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Posted 29 November 2017 - 10:05 AM

Here are some of the biggest drawing indy shows of the 2010s and 2000s according to genickbruch.


 WWNlive in China Day 4 (China) 11/16/2014 - 10,500 - main event: Johnny Gargano vs. Ricochet

 FMLL @ Los Angeles 1/26/2013 - 7,000 - main event: trios match feat. La Par-K, Hijo del Santo, Dr. Wagner Jr

Clash of the Legends 4/27/2007 - 6,000 - main event: Hulk Hogan vs. Paul Wight

NWA New Jersey / NWA Pro 6/27/2009 - 5,500  main event: Apolo vs. Dimitrious Papadon

Memphis Wrestling Throwback Night 2 2004 - 5,000 - main event: tag featuring Terry Funk, Jimmy Hart, Jerry Lawler and some non-wrestler

Clash of the Legends @ Midsouth Coliseum 6/15/2001 - 4,700 - main event: Jerry Lawler vs. Lord Hugh Mungus

WrestleCade 2016 11/26/2016 - 4,000 - main event: Matt Hardy vs. Ryback

Show @ Chicago 2/17/2013 - 3,500 - main event: trios match feat. La Par-K, Hijo del Santo, Blue Demon Jr.

 RoH Supercard of Honor XI - 3,500 - main event: Young Bucks vs. Hardy Boyz

 NEW Wrestling under the Stars - 3,341 - main event: Young Bucks vs. Alberto El Patron & Rey Mysterio

Show @ Chicago 1/23/2011 - 3,000 - main event: Hijo del Santo & Hijo del Rey Mysterio vs. Piloto Suicida & Imagen Nocturno

APW Cow Palace Royal 2017 - 3,000 - main event: Cody Rhodes vs. Joey Ryan

NEW Wrestling under the Stars 2016 - 2,800 - main event: Cody Rhodes vs. Kurt Angle

The site also lists a show headlined by Scott Steiner in Aruba drawing 11,000, altough not sure how much truth there can be to that

Verdict: they can do it if they manage to get El Hijo del Santo, La Par-K, Scott Steiner, Jerry Lawler, Matt Hardy, Hulk Hogan and Apolo or some comparable Puerto Rican star and run the show in a city where many puerto ricans and latinos live aswell as get a shitload of legends to do autograph signings.

Or maybe just stop running these stupid supercards in an oversaturated market and find a new country to do business in.



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Posted 29 November 2017 - 10:06 AM

I think you can appreciate what theyre trying to do and still be realistic and see that theres not much chance of them pulling it off.




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