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#141 Jmare007

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Posted 12 January 2018 - 01:35 PM

Yeah, it's gonna be interesting to see when they announce the big names involved in this and if Vince will go full Vince and do whatever he can to hurt the show.

 

 

Kinda weird they chose a date so close to Bryan's contract being up but reportedly, one that will left him out of it. Wouldn't have been smarter to wait till November and have some time to promote his long awaited return? Or, and this is a long shot, maybe Bryan told them he's not leaving WWE (either because he's been promised he'll wrestle again or got some bad tests results).

 

If NJPW doesn't book it before, I wonder if an Okada vs Omega main event could be possible. It's not something New Japan would do in most scenarios, but if it's non title, maybe? Would fans be hyped for a 4th match between them if there's no belt on the line? I still think that's bigger than Rey vs Kenny, at least for the bulk of fans that are into The Bucks/Omega/Cody.



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Posted 12 January 2018 - 01:46 PM

It feels crazy to speculate on something like Bryan right now, but the CMLL Anniversary show is generally in september too and that is a current dream of his as best as I know. Who knows.



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Posted 12 January 2018 - 01:48 PM

I would say there is a 50/50 chance this is streamed. 90% chance Highspots releases it. 



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Posted 12 January 2018 - 02:23 PM

It feels crazy to speculate on something like Bryan right now, but the CMLL Anniversary show is generally in september too and that is a current dream of his as best as I know. Who knows.

 

He wants to have an apuestas match with his hair on the line, no coincidence he's been growing it out the last couple of months. I don't think he'll be able to show up for Aniversario but at some point he's going to appear in CMLL and lay the ground work for a big 2019 match...if stays healthy.



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Posted 12 January 2018 - 02:25 PM

I assumed the Bryan thing since it was September. I also feel like it's a situation where Bryan could straight up leave with one month to go. In fact, that would be a much bigger deal.

 

And Meltz doubled down on protecting Elgin after his allegations last night on Twitter and pretty much burned up his credibility. The backlash to it will be ongoing and they're gonna have to distance themselves from it.



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Posted 12 January 2018 - 04:59 PM

I would say there is a 50/50 chance this is streamed. 90% chance Highspots releases it. 

I think they have several options on the table for streaming between ROH Honor Club or whatever it's going to be called, regular ROH PPV through the Fite App, HighSpots (there's probably something there since they did that live "Ask The Elite" live stream a couple months back right after the initial Jericho/Omega angle), or even NJPW World if they are involved.  I can't imagine pretty smart business people like the Bucks who monetize literally everything leaving that easy revenue on the table.  I know they want to make it a destination show but the reality is that there are plenty of people who don't have a spare $1K for the trip, ticket, and accommodations that would pay $15 (or whatever) for a stream of it at home.  Not to mention, I don't think guys are going to be wanting to take pay cuts just to be on this show (like I have heard speculated, I think on the VOW Flagship pod).  Big names need to be paid.



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Posted 13 January 2018 - 07:18 AM

 

I would say there is a 50/50 chance this is streamed. 90% chance Highspots releases it. 

I think they have several options on the table for streaming between ROH Honor Club or whatever it's going to be called, regular ROH PPV through the Fite App, HighSpots (there's probably something there since they did that live "Ask The Elite" live stream a couple months back right after the initial Jericho/Omega angle), or even NJPW World if they are involved.  I can't imagine pretty smart business people like the Bucks who monetize literally everything leaving that easy revenue on the table.  I know they want to make it a destination show but the reality is that there are plenty of people who don't have a spare $1K for the trip, ticket, and accommodations that would pay $15 (or whatever) for a stream of it at home.  Not to mention, I don't think guys are going to be wanting to take pay cuts just to be on this show (like I have heard speculated, I think on the VOW Flagship pod).  Big names need to be paid.

 

The BIG NAMES won't take pay cuts, sure. The Mysterios will still cost their price tag. Any indie name though like a Keith Lee or a Sami Callihan would take that cut.

 

I have no qualms with saying that this show is not being ran with the idea of making lots of money. It is entirely a statement show. They are going to need every single person they can to make that trip and streaming it live seems like an obvious thing to do in 2018 it does seem counter to the destination event they are presenting.



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Posted 13 January 2018 - 07:30 AM

Chances that the CMLL office even knows who Daniel Bryan is?



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Posted 13 January 2018 - 07:45 AM

 

 

I would say there is a 50/50 chance this is streamed. 90% chance Highspots releases it. 

I think they have several options on the table for streaming between ROH Honor Club or whatever it's going to be called, regular ROH PPV through the Fite App, HighSpots (there's probably something there since they did that live "Ask The Elite" live stream a couple months back right after the initial Jericho/Omega angle), or even NJPW World if they are involved.  I can't imagine pretty smart business people like the Bucks who monetize literally everything leaving that easy revenue on the table.  I know they want to make it a destination show but the reality is that there are plenty of people who don't have a spare $1K for the trip, ticket, and accommodations that would pay $15 (or whatever) for a stream of it at home.  Not to mention, I don't think guys are going to be wanting to take pay cuts just to be on this show (like I have heard speculated, I think on the VOW Flagship pod).  Big names need to be paid.

 

The BIG NAMES won't take pay cuts, sure. The Mysterios will still cost their price tag. Any indie name though like a Keith Lee or a Sami Callihan would take that cut.

 

I have no qualms with saying that this show is not being ran with the idea of making lots of money. It is entirely a statement show. They are going to need every single person they can to make that trip and streaming it live seems like an obvious thing to do in 2018 it does seem counter to the destination event they are presenting.

 

 

It really opens up the potential for this show's draw when you start to wonder how much money they are willing to lose on it. If they're willing to lose a couple of million to make their point then it could get really interesting.



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Posted 13 January 2018 - 08:56 AM

Chances that the CMLL office even knows who Daniel Bryan is?


Hair match with Metallico second on the card on a Tuesday show.

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Posted 13 January 2018 - 09:53 AM

I'm expecting Cody to be willing to lose his butt on this. And if he pools with Amell then we got something wild here.

 

The problem is it will come down to the card because it isn't enough of a draw to have lots of names on the card. At least not a 10K person draw.



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Posted 14 January 2018 - 08:10 AM

If they're intending to deliberately lose money, the real statement being made is "we are idiots and Dave Meltzer worked us into a shoot."



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Posted 14 January 2018 - 10:34 AM

Exactly. I can hear the Dream's voice in my head now: "Oh son! Never be ya OWN money mark!"

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Posted 14 January 2018 - 10:53 AM

What I see happening is that they stay within their means, make it into a big cultural event/pilgrimage, do an impressive number, fall short, make a big profit and then push it for the following year as something to top. It builds in reputation and within a few years, they get there. 



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Posted 14 January 2018 - 11:09 AM

I was trying to think of potential cards they could throw out there that would be a big enough draw on their own. This is kind of what I was looking at in my head. I am assuming no Daniel Bryan:

 

Kenny Omega vs. CM Punk

Young Bucks vs. Rey Misterio and tag partner

Chris Jericho vs. Naito/Okada maybe with the IWGP Title on the line.

Mark Henry appearance if possible.

 

I think the question there is, can that get you to 7000-7500 so you can cheat yourself the rest of the way there?



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Posted 14 January 2018 - 11:17 AM

Bucks vs Jericho/Rey will happen somewhere

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Posted 14 January 2018 - 11:34 AM

A series of twists and turns that got them to Jericho-Omega vs Young Bucks might work.



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Posted 14 January 2018 - 02:23 PM

What's the assumption with Punk getting booked? Isn't that dude fully settled, comfortable and away from pro wrestling at this point? I can't imagine there being an offer on the table that would convince him, a dude very wrapped up in his own legacy, to come back for something that doesn't interest him.



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Posted 14 January 2018 - 02:42 PM

What's the assumption with Punk getting booked? Isn't that dude fully settled, comfortable and away from pro wrestling at this point? I can't imagine there being an offer on the table that would convince him, a dude very wrapped up in his own legacy, to come back for something that doesn't interest him.


I don’t think anyone is assuming that he will be booked, just speculating on what it might take for them to actually draw 10K.

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Posted 15 January 2018 - 09:29 AM

 

What's the assumption with Punk getting booked? Isn't that dude fully settled, comfortable and away from pro wrestling at this point? I can't imagine there being an offer on the table that would convince him, a dude very wrapped up in his own legacy, to come back for something that doesn't interest him.


I don’t think anyone is assuming that he will be booked, just speculating on what it might take for them to actually draw 10K.

 

 

Ah ok, I was wondering if he had teased something that I hadn't seen.






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