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#41 Rah

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Posted 20 December 2017 - 09:28 AM

What's the consensus on top 10 contender Nick Gage?

 

Is he better than he was? Because the last I saw him after his prison stint he wasn't much of anything.



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Posted 20 December 2017 - 07:34 PM

I haven't watched much indy wrestling this year, but how does everyone feel about possibly bringing Keith Lee as a top 5 in discussion? I've seen some of his PWG and EVOLVE work and he's been fantastic. That match with Dijak from WM weekend at EVOLVE was pretty great iirc. His match with Ricochet from the same weekend was pretty fantastic too. Possibly the best match I've seen Ricochet in ever. The Leo Rush match from that weekend was fantastic too. He may have been the best worker from that entire WM weekend with back-to-back fantastic performances with a variety of opponents.

I'm not sure he's quite in top five discussion but I love Keith Lee almost always.  He also had a terrific match with Ishii a month or so ago on one of the Rev Pro/NJPW shows in the UK (available on NJPW World) and last weekend had what I thought was a fantastic match with WALTER in EVOLVE.
I have been thinking about this more and catching up on more shows since this post. And damn, I fucking love Keith Lee. Bask in his glory. He is smackdab in the discussion for me.

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Posted 21 December 2017 - 07:06 PM

Kento Miyahara for me, bunch of great performances both in singles and tags this year.



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Posted 21 December 2017 - 09:30 PM

Low-KI is a under the radar candidate, he had the great Sami Callihan match in AAW and a series of absolute bangers in Impact wrestling. Not a ton of volume, but his per match average is super high



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Posted 21 December 2017 - 09:41 PM

For me it has to be Walter.

 

This was a great year for people having LOTS of great performances, and my watching was certainly far from exhaustive. I think a lot of overall resumes were built in 2017. For me, Walter had the best combination of high ceiling, high floor, and incredible consistency. He has at least 3 matches in my top 10 right now, was part of my second favorite live match of the year, and didn't have a bad match I saw. He had  my favorite rivalry of the year with Starr and another top contender in that category with Riddle. While Dragunov was the star of 16 carat I think Walter was the backbone that made Dragunov such a standout (and for some people - myself included - a breakout) star. His tag work was excellent in both Progress and wXw. He stood out where continuity was important and he stood out in super matches. 

 

i am putting my top 10 together soon and am considering a lot of people, but Trevor Lee is probably the only person I would consider to challenge Walter. His main event work in CWF mixed with his varied work in different promotions across the country make him another candidate with a lot great matches, a high ceiling, and a high floor. He might even have a little more diversity than Walter. I don't see much drop off from last year. I think the match with Day is a top 3 match of the year (maybe my favorite). He also had such a plethora of challenges in the second half of the year and I think made ever segment and everyone he worked with shine in CWF.

 

Wrestling was so good in 2017, so much fun.

 

Other people in the running for me (in no particular order): ZSJ, Okada, Styles, Omega, Reigns, Miyahara, Naito, Thatcher, Dunne, Janela, Starr, K. Lee, Rush.

 

I am sure I am forgetting some people.... there was a ton of good wrestling.



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Posted 21 December 2017 - 10:11 PM

I'm curious with the "ZSJ's grappling sucks" crowd, do y'all not think that kind of British-style submission work has any place in the matches ZSJ finds himself in, or do you just think he's not good at it? The latter, cool, whatever, but the former (ie "he should take some BJJ") seems oddly limiting;  it's not like everyone else is working shoot-style on the mat.



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Posted 22 December 2017 - 06:31 PM

Low-KI is a under the radar candidate, he had the great Sami Callihan match in AAW and a series of absolute bangers in Impact wrestling. Not a ton of volume, but his per match average is super high

Did you watch the Rotweilers vs. WALTER and Thatcher from WXW? Think you would enjoy.

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Posted 22 December 2017 - 06:48 PM

Yeah... that match was a lot of fun.



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Posted 22 December 2017 - 07:39 PM

For me it has to be Walter.
 
This was a great year for people having LOTS of great performances, and my watching was certainly far from exhaustive. I think a lot of overall resumes were built in 2017. For me, Walter had the best combination of high ceiling, high floor, and incredible consistency. He has at least 3 matches in my top 10 right now, was part of my second favorite live match of the year, and didn't have a bad match I saw. He had  my favorite rivalry of the year with Starr and another top contender in that category with Riddle. While Dragunov was the star of 16 carat I think Walter was the backbone that made Dragunov such a standout (and for some people - myself included - a breakout) star. His tag work was excellent in both Progress and wXw. He stood out where continuity was important and he stood out in super matches. 
 
i am putting my top 10 together soon and am considering a lot of people, but Trevor Lee is probably the only person I would consider to challenge Walter. His main event work in CWF mixed with his varied work in different promotions across the country make him another candidate with a lot great matches, a high ceiling, and a high floor. He might even have a little more diversity than Walter. I don't see much drop off from last year. I think the match with Day is a top 3 match of the year (maybe my favorite). He also had such a plethora of challenges in the second half of the year and I think made ever segment and everyone he worked with shine in CWF.
 
Wrestling was so good in 2017, so much fun.
 
Other people in the running for me (in no particular order): ZSJ, Okada, Styles, Omega, Reigns, Miyahara, Naito, Thatcher, Dunne, Janela, Starr, K. Lee, Rush.
 
I am sure I am forgetting some people.... there was a ton of good wrestling.

Have been working through your list of WALTER matches you posted a while ago, so thanks for that. I have watched enough of him now from this year to say he is definitely in the top few wrestlers of the year. He’s just been spectacular.

I totally agree re: the general quality of 2017. I have loved so much stuff this year from so many different promotions and different styles.

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Posted 22 December 2017 - 08:19 PM

 

For me it has to be Walter.
 
This was a great year for people having LOTS of great performances, and my watching was certainly far from exhaustive. I think a lot of overall resumes were built in 2017. For me, Walter had the best combination of high ceiling, high floor, and incredible consistency. He has at least 3 matches in my top 10 right now, was part of my second favorite live match of the year, and didn't have a bad match I saw. He had  my favorite rivalry of the year with Starr and another top contender in that category with Riddle. While Dragunov was the star of 16 carat I think Walter was the backbone that made Dragunov such a standout (and for some people - myself included - a breakout) star. His tag work was excellent in both Progress and wXw. He stood out where continuity was important and he stood out in super matches. 
 
i am putting my top 10 together soon and am considering a lot of people, but Trevor Lee is probably the only person I would consider to challenge Walter. His main event work in CWF mixed with his varied work in different promotions across the country make him another candidate with a lot great matches, a high ceiling, and a high floor. He might even have a little more diversity than Walter. I don't see much drop off from last year. I think the match with Day is a top 3 match of the year (maybe my favorite). He also had such a plethora of challenges in the second half of the year and I think made ever segment and everyone he worked with shine in CWF.
 
Wrestling was so good in 2017, so much fun.
 
Other people in the running for me (in no particular order): ZSJ, Okada, Styles, Omega, Reigns, Miyahara, Naito, Thatcher, Dunne, Janela, Starr, K. Lee, Rush.
 
I am sure I am forgetting some people.... there was a ton of good wrestling.

Have been working through your list of WALTER matches you posted a while ago, so thanks for that. I have watched enough of him now from this year to say he is definitely in the top few wrestlers of the year. He’s just been spectacular.

I totally agree re: the general quality of 2017. I have loved so much stuff this year from so many different promotions and different styles.

 

Awesome, glad to hear you have enjoyed that stuff. He is just so much fun to watch.

Yeah, looking back now I wish I had more time to keep up more with Japan and Mexico. I really cherrypicked both. I have some NJPW, AJPW, and Rush on my potentials list, but I just don't have a good enough grasp on their entire body of their work for them to compete - for me - with guys I have seen so much more of.



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Posted 22 December 2017 - 09:09 PM

 

Low-KI is a under the radar candidate, he had the great Sami Callihan match in AAW and a series of absolute bangers in Impact wrestling. Not a ton of volume, but his per match average is super high

Did you watch the Rotweilers vs. WALTER and Thatcher from WXW? Think you would enjoy.

 

 

Those shows are in my to watch pile for sure



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Posted 23 December 2017 - 12:58 PM

Okada is a runaway #1 for me.  I understand the argument against him if you're not high on the Omega matches.  I am, which makes this as easy as any call in recent years.  Especially when you add in the Tiger Mask W, Shibata, Suzuki & Evil title defenses as well as his work in various tag & six man matches at Korakuen on lesser shows.  Those tags were almost never meaningful matches but he almost never mailed them in and always delivered sequences that helped build his next big main event.  That can't be understated.

 

I agree with this. I think this is a runaway year for Okada & would be shocked if anyone else won it this year. For me, the real question is who is number two? I expect Kenny Omega to get a lot of votes & probably AJ Styles. 



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Posted 27 December 2017 - 03:50 AM

I'm honestly surprised at all the love for Zack Sabre Jr. I thought he was the shits in the CWC but I confess that I haven't followed his work since then. Perhaps that was simply not the right platform for him?


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Posted 27 December 2017 - 08:23 AM

Sabre was inexplicably bad in CWC (outside of the Gulak and Metalik matches I'd argue) but he's been really good for a while now. This year in particular he's been tremendous, so it just seems like the tournament was a bad fit for him.



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Posted 28 December 2017 - 08:20 AM

I have been a Sabre fan for a bit. I think he was one of the better Wrestlers last year and he is probably in my top 5-7 this year.  He is an interesting case study every time this stuff comes up because i think I know lots of people really don't like him and don't get why anyone would. Conversely, I have trouble understanding why anyone would actively hate him because he is so self evidently good to me.

 

I will say he CAN get a little too cute with the grappling for my taste sometimes and I have seen that less this year.



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Posted 01 January 2018 - 06:30 AM

Ok, so, seriously now. Finally watched those G1 finals and a few other hyped matches. Okay. Okada-Omega-Naito. In whichever order suits you.



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Posted 01 January 2018 - 08:09 AM

 Okada-Omega-Naito.

 

This is the credited response.  Though upon rewatching a bit this month, Naito is sneaking into consideration for #2 on my list after thinking of him as a top 10 contender all year.



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Posted 01 January 2018 - 09:55 AM

Number 10 is still up in the air for me, but my top 9 as of now is:

 

1. Omega

2. Okada

3. Ishii

4. Riddle

5. Naito

6. Sabre

7. Kento

8. WALTER

9. KUSHIDA

 

Contenders for number 10 are A.J, Hiromu, and Shuji.



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Posted 01 January 2018 - 02:17 PM

Okada for me. An incredible championship reign with different oponents and stories. When it comes to the WK main event, I'm not on the "MOTY" board but I love it and think Kazuchika's performance is out-of-this-world great, and same with the Shibata match (although Shibata's even better). He gave lesser oponents (Fale, Cody, EVIL) good-to-great matches.

But not only is title matches, his G1 is awesome too: the Elgin match, the Kojima match (heel Okada is best Okada), the EVIL match, the Omega match... Easily the mvp of the tournament (and I'm not even as high with the MiSu draw as others). And I totally agree with WingedEagle about the six-man matches.

Naito, Trevor Lee and BRAAAAUUUUUN are on the discussion fo #1, too.

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Posted 02 January 2018 - 09:22 PM

Three people who haven't been mentioned yet, who would be pretty close to the top for me:

 

- Konosuke Takeshita, who has had the DDT title all year and has big matches that I tend to enjoy as much or more than all the NJ guys and bringing fun and energy on house show tags. He is a tremendous athlete and he's still getting better at finding ways to show personality.

- Chihiro Hashimoto, who is in three of my fav 15 matches of the year (vs. Meiko, the second one vs. Aja Kong, and the Io Shirai 10th Anniversary tag). 

- Pete Dunne. He was a great heel in Progress already, but the high end matches in WWE have been so fucking great.






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