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#41 Benbeeach

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Posted 10 January 2018 - 11:01 AM

Nakamura has no business winning the Royal Rumble or "main eventing" WrestleMania (it wouldn't be a true main event because Smackdown will forever be treated as the castoff b-brand no matter what), and I say that as someone who was red hot for him after his NXT debut against Sami Zayn. He truly seemed like something special. However, even before his main roster call-up, he was already losing his shine. Tepid matches/lack of chemistry against overrated workers like Samoa Joe and Bobby Roode didn't help, but those were masterpieces compared to what we've seen since (except maybe the Cena match, which was good but not great). Granted, there's only so much you can do with "That Indian Guy" but Nakamura has clearly been phoning it in. If he wins the Royal Rumble, get ready to hear something worse than boos: crickets. No one will react or care. Sure, he'd have a banger of a match against AJ Styles. Everyone would be quick to credit Nak for "going big" on the big stage. But no, it would be AJ carrying his ass and delivering a good match because AJ almost always delivers good matches (unless it's against KO). Even the lazy lump of shit Brock Lesnar looked good against AJ. At this point, AJ Styles could take Disco Inferno to a five-star (well, okay, maybe 3 and 3/4) match at WrestleMania.

Did he carry him last time they wrestled or...



#42 C.S.

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Posted 10 January 2018 - 02:39 PM

Did he carry him last time they wrestled or...


Did who carry who? I hate he/him posts without any reference to who he and him are supposed to be. I mentioned a half-dozen people in my post.

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Posted 10 January 2018 - 03:36 PM

Did he carry him last time they wrestled or...

Did who carry who? I hate he/him posts without any reference to who he and him are supposed to be. I mentioned a half-dozen people in my post.

I think it's abundantly clear that he's asking if AJ carried Nakamura the last time they wrestled.

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Posted 10 January 2018 - 06:15 PM

Don't know - didn't see it - and it doesn't change the fact that Nakamura has become a phone book spokesperson on Smackdown.

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Posted 10 January 2018 - 06:21 PM

I'm pretty sure he didn't "become" a guy that coasts for most of the year and turns it up for like 2 or 3 big matches per year in WWE. Many made the same criticisms when he was in NJPW hiding 3/4 of the year in 6 man tags and only showing up for WK and some select G1 matches.

 

WWE exposure made people have 2 wrong notions, often by two distinct camps of fans:

  • His laziness is due to Vince's booking;
  • He needs to be carried to good matches.


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Posted 10 January 2018 - 06:32 PM

Not saying he needs to be carried, but the guys Nak was working with in New Japan for the most part were quite a step better than anyone he could work with in WWE (except AJ of course). 



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Posted 10 January 2018 - 06:59 PM

No... AJ didn't carry Nak.

 

Nak has been a big match, cruise control guy for a while.  Maybe not to this extent, but I don't know if he has had a schedule like this in the past. 

 

Nakamura doesn't need to be carried he just needs to be motivated. That is - of course - in itself a problem, but its a different problem.



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Posted 10 January 2018 - 08:20 PM

Paige also officially out of the Rumble. Fucking shame.



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Posted 10 January 2018 - 11:25 PM

I'm pretty sure he didn't "become" a guy that coasts for most of the year and turns it up for like 2 or 3 big matches per year in WWE. Many made the same criticisms when he was in NJPW hiding 3/4 of the year in 6 man tags and only showing up for WK and some select G1 matches.
 
WWE exposure made people have 2 wrong notions, often by two distinct camps of fans:

  • His laziness is due to Vince's booking;
  • He needs to be carried to good matches.

But I said neither.

I don't blame Vince and I didn't say everyone carries Nakamura, though I can see how my post could be misconstrued as such. Rather, I was pointing out how good AJ is as a carrier. If we get the same Nak we've been getting all along, it will be another AJ carry-job. If Nak turns up the volume though, of course it'll be tremendous. Like I said, I started out red hot for Nak. I was super into him after that Sami Zayn match. But it didn't take long for the bloom to fall off the rose, for all of the reasons already mentioned by me and several others in this thread.

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Posted 10 January 2018 - 11:31 PM

I was more adressing common points people make about Nakamura than you yourself. My bad for not specifying it.

 

I would doubt Nakamura wouldn't turn it up for AJ, specially at a big stage like WM. He gave half a fuck for a lesser opponent in Roode for a lesser event, which is already more than he usually does.

 

However, fair fucks to him, he manages to stay relatively over with minimum to no effort. God bless that theme song.



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Posted 11 January 2018 - 04:06 AM

Paige also officially out of the Rumble. Fucking shame.

 

This really sucks. After everything that has gone on the past year or so, I think she's looked really good since her return and has been a shot in the arm for the Women's division on RAW. Let's hope that it's not a long term issue and she will be back soon, but you have to fear with serious neck injuries that they never fully heal up. Really feel for her.   



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Posted 11 January 2018 - 07:48 AM

 

Paige also officially out of the Rumble. Fucking shame.

 

This really sucks. After everything that has gone on the past year or so, I think she's looked really good since her return and has been a shot in the arm for the Women's division on RAW. Let's hope that it's not a long term issue and she will be back soon, but you have to fear with serious neck injuries that they never fully heal up. Really feel for her.   

 

 

Unless its a work where she is a suprise entrant and wins the thing. Never been a fan of her and don't think that all the stuff she did and acts off TV no way should she have basically gotten away with everything. Turning up on Impact should have been the final straw to Vince giving her walking papers.

 

On the plus side I see Molly Holly is returning to the Rumble match so hopefully Lita and Trish will wrestle too but I would have thought with all the girls in Raw, SD & NXT they could have easily filled 30 competitors?

 

I know they are in talks with McCool to come to the Rumble so maybe Taker will make a appearance at the PPV.



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Posted 11 January 2018 - 02:07 PM

 

 

Paige also officially out of the Rumble. Fucking shame.

 

This really sucks. After everything that has gone on the past year or so, I think she's looked really good since her return and has been a shot in the arm for the Women's division on RAW. Let's hope that it's not a long term issue and she will be back soon, but you have to fear with serious neck injuries that they never fully heal up. Really feel for her.   

 

 

Unless its a work where she is a suprise entrant and wins the thing. Never been a fan of her and don't think that all the stuff she did and acts off TV no way should she have basically gotten away with everything. Turning up on Impact should have been the final straw to Vince giving her walking papers.

 

 

What difference does it make to anyone in the WWE audience that she went to an Impact taping? Why would you care and want her to lose her job?



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Posted 11 January 2018 - 02:19 PM

Yep. Only in pro wrestling, that kind of mentality. When you set back and think about it for two seconds, most of the pro-wrestling way of doing things (particularly in WWE) are completely insane and make no sense in real life.

 

Plus, she's an "independent contractor" (wink wink nudge nudge) so why should anyone care ?

 

But yeah, the injury really suck for her.



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Posted 11 January 2018 - 09:29 PM

 

 

Paige also officially out of the Rumble. Fucking shame.

 

This really sucks. After everything that has gone on the past year or so, I think she's looked really good since her return and has been a shot in the arm for the Women's division on RAW. Let's hope that it's not a long term issue and she will be back soon, but you have to fear with serious neck injuries that they never fully heal up. Really feel for her.   

 

 

On the plus side I see Molly Holly is returning to the Rumble match so hopefully Lita and Trish will wrestle too but I would have thought with all the girls in Raw, SD & NXT they could have easily filled 30 competitors?

 

I think Meltzer said it's looking like 2-4 surprise legend types with the rest being filled with 6 or so from NXT.

 

Minus Paige, there's currently 16 confirmed entrants. Excluding the champs, only Dana Brooke & Alicia Fox are not officially in from the active roster. With the Bellas announced for Raw 25, I guess they will be in as well.



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Posted 11 January 2018 - 10:56 PM

 

I'm pretty sure he didn't "become" a guy that coasts for most of the year and turns it up for like 2 or 3 big matches per year in WWE. Many made the same criticisms when he was in NJPW hiding 3/4 of the year in 6 man tags and only showing up for WK and some select G1 matches.
 
WWE exposure made people have 2 wrong notions, often by two distinct camps of fans:

  • His laziness is due to Vince's booking;
  • He needs to be carried to good matches.

But I said neither.

I don't blame Vince and I didn't say everyone carries Nakamura, though I can see how my post could be misconstrued as such. Rather, I was pointing out how good AJ is as a carrier. If we get the same Nak we've been getting all along, it will be another AJ carry-job. If Nak turns up the volume though, of course it'll be tremendous. Like I said, I started out red hot for Nak. I was super into him after that Sami Zayn match. But it didn't take long for the bloom to fall off the rose, for all of the reasons already mentioned by me and several others in this thread.

 

 

All of you are wrong. Nak is working a completely different type of match than he worked in New Japan. Working a 10 minute upper mid card/mid card TV match on a B Show should look absolutely nothing like working a 30 minute main event title matches we grew used to him wrestling during his 3 years with the IWGP belt and 5 years with the IWGP Intercontintal belt. He's not going to lay it in the way he did in Japan every Tuesday and every 3rd Sunday and he's not going to bump like that either. Now, if we see him in a prominent title match on a bigger show with some sort of build up, I would expect the appropriate level of effort and violence which we became accoustomed to in New Japan. 



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Posted 12 January 2018 - 12:31 AM

The "Lazy Nak" speak came from years back when he was still in NJPW. He would deliver a great performance at WK and then dog it/coast for the rest of the year - almost quite literally at points. I honestly don't know a match of his I'd point to outside of WK that I'd call truly great. The only one that comes to mind is one against Hiroshi Tanahashi and even then I thought it was Tana that was bringing most of everything to the plate.

 

My viewing of Nakamura in WWE is limited to his matches against Cena and Zayn (both really big matches) as well as random clip viewing on Youtube. I wasn't impressed by either, so I'm clearly in a minute minority but I don't think he really shined. I understand your reasoning but I think it can be done differently and while still making TV matches meaningful.

 

Nakamura was basically Lesnar before Lesnar became "Suplex City". The only difference is that Nak's apparent laziness gets a lot of passes online, while Lesnar doesn't.



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Posted 12 January 2018 - 04:58 AM

 

 

 

Paige also officially out of the Rumble. Fucking shame.

 

This really sucks. After everything that has gone on the past year or so, I think she's looked really good since her return and has been a shot in the arm for the Women's division on RAW. Let's hope that it's not a long term issue and she will be back soon, but you have to fear with serious neck injuries that they never fully heal up. Really feel for her.   

 

 

Unless its a work where she is a suprise entrant and wins the thing. Never been a fan of her and don't think that all the stuff she did and acts off TV no way should she have basically gotten away with everything. Turning up on Impact should have been the final straw to Vince giving her walking papers.

 

 

What difference does it make to anyone in the WWE audience that she went to an Impact taping? Why would you care and want her to lose her job?

 

 

I can't stand her. She's completely childish and seriously needs to grow up and this is coming from someone who saw her on a independant show and wasent impressed with her attitude.



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Posted 12 January 2018 - 09:02 AM

Speaking of Nak in New Japan, what are his best matches from NJPW?

 

I've seen the AJ match, and it's a ton of fun.  My six-year-old daughter is a HUGE Shinsuke fan.  Might look for some stuff of his to watch while we're stuck inside on a snow day.



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Posted 12 January 2018 - 09:09 AM

Speaking of Nak in New Japan, what are his best matches from NJPW?
 
I've seen the AJ match, and it's a ton of fun.  My six-year-old daughter is a HUGE Shinsuke fan.  Might look for some stuff of his to watch while we're stuck inside on a snow day.


Both ibushi matches one from g1 23 in 2013 and one from wrestle kingdom 9,

Vs tanahashi from invasion attack 2014,

Vs tanahashi from g1 25 2015 has a lot of love from certain people but it is not universal like the ibushi matches tend to be.

He has quite a good match with bad luck fale in the final of the new Japan cup in 2014 with some hardway blood.

Vs sakuraba from wk7 in 2013 is pretty great.

These are some of the best stuff to get you started. I could add some more if you like them.




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