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#21 iamthedoctor

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Posted 06 February 2018 - 10:38 AM

 

I never even thought of that aspect til now, but yeah that is cool. 

 

We're off-topic but, that's kind of how the Women's Royal Rumble worked this year. Do you care that this torchbearer for the revolution who idolized Eddy is interacting with his wife? What about Lita and Sasha interacting? Do you care that the Divas of Destruction are hugging in the ring before Nattie went full Nattie? What about Asuka usurping the Yes kicks from Brie? What about the Bellas as post-diva bully gatekeepers? Etc. 

 

You can tell from Stacey's posts that there was a hell of a lot going on with that Rumble if you take the leap and immerse yourself in it. Was that true with the men's rumble? Sure, but I don't think quite as much. Maybe we take it for granted. Absolutely they take it for granted. Some of it is the amount of TV we have. Everything is far more interconnected now, but it wasn't with the women since so many we haven't seen in so long. It was very much like the Flair vs All of His Old Enemies bits of the 1992 one. You couldn't do that today because a guy like Reigns wrestles most of the roster in a given year.

 

Are there still plenty of opportunities for next year? Even with that same exact group? Yeah. I want to see Beth Phoenix interact with Molly now that we know Molly basically put her through wrestling school. I want to see Bayley get to interact with Lita. Or have an uber-babyface off with Molly. I want to see Torrie and Kelly Kelly interact because that would be bonkers. Etc and so on. 

 

 

For me the womens Rumble came off alot better than the mens one.



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Posted 08 February 2018 - 09:14 PM

They had MVP sitting around playing cards at Raw 25 and that dude was awesome on promos when he was in TNA. They could at least use The VIP Lounge on Smackdown.


He was always a good promo. They have Titus in that role and they fucked that up

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Posted 09 February 2018 - 10:44 AM

I read that Rousey's involvement is being used as a tool to help Stephanie become more of a "mainstream star". Why doesn't she just manage Rousey then?



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Posted 09 February 2018 - 11:12 AM

That's at least the idea for the Mania match, but I don't know that it's the idea beyond that. It makes sense if you accept these truths:

 

(1) They care more about television rights and stock prices than house show attendance and network subscriptions since the former are primary sources of revenue.

(2) Because of this, their customers are on Wall Street now, not in their live crowds. In fact, we aren't the target audience, we're the product, presented to shareholders in sheer numbers -- number of viewers, number of social media followers, number of countries where they have fans, etc. They don't want the bottom to fall out, but we aren't the end goal anymore. We're mostly something they can brag about to the people they really care about.

(3) They have decided that they want their public face to no longer be a man in his 70s, but a working mom.

(4) As the face and voice of the company (the Chief Brand Officer), they want to put Stephanie's name out there more and make her more visible, because they think that is good for the image of the company and will make WWE more visible.

(5) They think it is more important to the company's future to get Stephanie over with the general public and their shareholders than it is to generate interest in a hot new star or get their wrestling fanbase excited about something.

 

Are all of those things true? I don't know 100%, but I suspect they are.



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Posted 09 February 2018 - 11:17 AM

That's all probably much closer to the truth than a lot of us would want to admit to, I'm sure. 



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Posted 09 February 2018 - 11:33 AM

I read that Rousey's involvement is being used as a tool to help Stephanie become more of a "mainstream star". Why doesn't she just manage Rousey then?

I actually kind of like this idea if that's what they're going for. It'd create a very strong association.



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Posted 09 February 2018 - 12:05 PM

That's at least the idea for the Mania match, but I don't know that it's the idea beyond that. It makes sense if you accept these truths:
 
(1) They care more about television rights and stock prices than house show attendance and network subscriptions since the former are primary sources of revenue.
(2) Because of this, their customers are on Wall Street now, not in their live crowds. In fact, we aren't the target audience, we're the product, presented to shareholders in sheer numbers -- number of viewers, number of social media followers, number of countries where they have fans, etc. They don't want the bottom to fall out, but we aren't the end goal anymore. We're mostly something they can brag about to the people they really care about.
(3) They have decided that they want their public face to no longer be a man in his 70s, but a working mom.
(4) As the face and voice of the company (the Chief Brand Officer), they want to put Stephanie's name out there more and make her more visible, because they think that is good for the image of the company and will make WWE more visible.
(5) They think it is more important to the company's future to get Stephanie over with the general public and their shareholders than it is to generate interest in a hot new star or get their wrestling fanbase excited about something.
 
Are all of those things true? I don't know 100%, but I suspect they are.


Number 2 is like a Chomskian media analysis. Ever read Manufacturing Consent? Or see the movie?

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Posted 09 February 2018 - 12:08 PM

In reality they've been trying to put over Stephanie as the face of the company since she returned as  full time tv character.  That's why she's been pushed so strongly these past 5 years or so.

 

this is them trying to punch it in the endzone from the 3 yard line so to speak



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Posted 09 February 2018 - 02:42 PM

That's at least the idea for the Mania match, but I don't know that it's the idea beyond that. It makes sense if you accept these truths:

 

(1) They care more about television rights and stock prices than house show attendance and network subscriptions since the former are primary sources of revenue.

(2) Because of this, their customers are on Wall Street now, not in their live crowds. In fact, we aren't the target audience, we're the product, presented to shareholders in sheer numbers -- number of viewers, number of social media followers, number of countries where they have fans, etc. They don't want the bottom to fall out, but we aren't the end goal anymore. We're mostly something they can brag about to the people they really care about.

(3) They have decided that they want their public face to no longer be a man in his 70s, but a working mom.

(4) As the face and voice of the company (the Chief Brand Officer), they want to put Stephanie's name out there more and make her more visible, because they think that is good for the image of the company and will make WWE more visible.

(5) They think it is more important to the company's future to get Stephanie over with the general public and their shareholders than it is to generate interest in a hot new star or get their wrestling fanbase excited about something.

 

Are all of those things true? I don't know 100%, but I suspect they are.

 

 

I would say 1 through 4 are provably true and point 5 can be assumed to be true based on how things are presented. 



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Posted 09 February 2018 - 02:57 PM

The idea, as per Meltzer, is to recreate Vince vs Austin, because that is what made Vince a mainstream star and thus in theory a similar feud would do so for Steph

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Posted 09 February 2018 - 03:34 PM

The idea, as per Meltzer, is to recreate Vince vs Austin, because that is what made Vince a mainstream star and thus in theory a similar feud would do so for Steph

 

Which worked because Vince knew when to get his comeuppance and was not presented as Austin's equal on a physical combat level. Nothing in Steph's presentation these past few years leads me to believe that she will be allowed to look bad or weak, so... I don't think this will work like they want it to.



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Posted 09 February 2018 - 03:52 PM

Vince was a fresh act too. He "turned heel" (from being just an announcer) with the Bret screwjob, a few months before. And he was a great character. Stephy has been on TV on and off for almost 20 years at this point. 20 fucking years of dreadful promos and acting (yeah, she showed ass on occasion, mostly in the beginning, but she mostly acted like she was the Mother Hen and above any wrestler for most of this long, looooong time). 

 

As far as Rousey goes, nobody knows if she'll be any good at this point, either in the ring of as a character.

 

And another sign they can't get over the Attitude Era.

 

So yeah. A huge turn-off.



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Posted 09 February 2018 - 03:52 PM

The idea, as per Meltzer, is to recreate Vince vs Austin, because that is what made Vince a mainstream star and thus in theory a similar feud would do so for Steph

 

Steph hasn't exactly shown herself willing or able to bump for stunners, take a bedpan over the head or otherwise take her comeuppance along the way.  That's without delving into whether she and Rousey can generate chemistry similar to two all time great personalities and promo men.



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Posted 09 February 2018 - 06:12 PM

I read that Rousey's involvement is being used as a tool to help Stephanie become more of a "mainstream star". Why doesn't she just manage Rousey then?



Jesus help us that won't end well. Vince knew how to play it and never took the piss when it came to his in ring appearances. Vince never tried stupid stuff that wasn't believeable. It's actually a credit to him.

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Posted 09 February 2018 - 06:14 PM

 

The idea, as per Meltzer, is to recreate Vince vs Austin, because that is what made Vince a mainstream star and thus in theory a similar feud would do so for Steph

 

Steph hasn't exactly shown herself willing or able to bump for stunners, take a bedpan over the head or otherwise take her comeuppance along the way.  That's without delving into whether she and Rousey can generate chemistry similar to two all time great personalities and promo men.

 

 

We also don't know if Rousey is actually capable of being a good worker either.



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Posted 09 February 2018 - 06:20 PM

The idea, as per Meltzer, is to recreate Vince vs Austin, because that is what made Vince a mainstream star and thus in theory a similar feud would do so for Steph


But Austin vs McMahon was glorious stuff and any attempt to recreate it has never worked since. A generic authority figure vs wrestler X has never worked.

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Posted 09 February 2018 - 06:27 PM

It's worked on a smaller scale here and there but never for very long.



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Posted 09 February 2018 - 06:31 PM

It's worked on a smaller scale here and there but never for very long.


My point is it never worked to the same scale as Austin vs Vince. That was lightning in a bottle in that feud. That feud confirmed me as a wrestlng fan. And watching it back on the network it still holds up.

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Posted 09 February 2018 - 07:28 PM

Even if a miracle happens and Steph decides to go to the same lengths Vince did to get Austin (and himself) over, I wonder if WWE would get any backlash from millenials/social media in a scenario were Steph gets beat up and ridiculed constantly, even if it's by Rousey.



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Posted 09 February 2018 - 07:37 PM

As long as it's woman on woman I doubt it. It's men beating up women that isn't a good look these days, and frankly never was. 






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