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r/SquaredCircle's 100 Greatest Matches Ever Poll


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EDIT: Okay, Jim Duggan match in the Top 100? This list isn't half bad. I'd be shocked if the GWE forums produces a better one.

 

Are you on the GWE forums? I'm curious why your expectations are so low.

 

Or, I'm being trolled into a reply. I suppose that's possible too.

 

 

As usual with lists like these, as soon as a collective of individuals is working on it with each vote given the same weight despite the gaps between them in expertise and input of time, you will see a general drop of quality in the outcome as opposed to looking at each list individually and picking out the best one.

 

That is why democracy doesn't work, and the only way get a great or even perfect list is to wait for a monarch or god to bestow it to us, or until it is deduced by scholars from a credible source e.g. the Bible.

 

From what it looks like now, the GWE forums list will have a heavy bias towards 80s/90s stuff. Then you replace all the generic canonized recent NJPW classics in the Reddit list with classic canonized picks e.g. AJPW matches, women's matches and territory stuff, then your outcome is about the same. This is not to smite Reddit users or GWE forums users, since I will participate in the GWE and am looking forward to the outcome. The best type of list, in my opinion, does not aim for accuracy or representation, but rather, hilarity and honesty, as seen in the WKO lists of yore.

 

As far as Onita goes, I remember him vs. Chavo being quietly really good.

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I just read this off that subreddit: "Onita in AJPW before he fucked up his knee was great. FMW Onita is all smoke, mirrors, and theater." So, yeah, it's a weird place.

 

Where did this person get that talking point? Where are the lists of pimped 70s Onita?

 

I'm trying to remember which Onita tag I really love.

 

Is it: 6/6/82 Ric Flair & Dick Slater vs. Giant Baba & Onita

 

It might be?

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I would say I'm caught in the middle of these domographics between Wreddit and PWO. I enjoy what has come in recent years but I'm also willing to look in the past and see what great wrestling was. I feel that glancing at this list, I would have 50 to 65 matches on this list on my personal list. But I have some of the 80s stuff higher on my list. Joshi is a blindspot as well as lucha. I gotta improve that

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I just read this off that subreddit: "Onita in AJPW before he fucked up his knee was great. FMW Onita is all smoke, mirrors, and theater." So, yeah, it's a weird place.

 

Where did this person get that talking point? Where are the lists of pimped 70s Onita?

 

I'm trying to remember which Onita tag I really love.

 

Is it: 6/6/82 Ric Flair & Dick Slater vs. Giant Baba & Onita

 

It might be?

 

 

Oh, I get that there's early Onita we've enjoyed, but I have serious doubts that whomever made that comment on reddit has ever seen much of it, let alone much FMW Onita to compare. It sounds like something they read somewhere, memorized, and repeated. It's vague enough that it doesn't sound like they've hardly seen an Onita match.

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Not everybody likes brawling/deathmatch stuff, so I don't have a hard time believing someone would prefer junior Onita. I'm not a huge fan of the exploding barbedwire stuff myself.

I'm psyched anyone is talking about any Onita in 2018 to be honest :)

 

His recent exploding baseball bat stuff is fun but, quite goofy BTW. For example: Atushi Onita, Aja Kong & Okamoto vs Bob Sapp, Jaguar Yokota & TARU - Explosion match (05/12/17 Zero-1)

 

Also, Quack vs Claudio is a blast. The finish is kinda mind blowing IIRC.

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Looking over this again, it comes across as a single person's (or perhaps 2-3 people's) list. Its not really like its focused on the US scene and mainstream puro after closer inspection.

 

It's super WWE heavy, with uber pimped NJ matches from the last few years. Then it seems like randomly inserted matches from a variety of top 10 lists. Top AJPW matches from this list sprinkled here, some PWG matches from their Best Of comps with mainstream guys, some ROH matches over there, little WCW/JCP sprinkled in...So it looks like its well balanced but, its so biased. For instance, other than the Steiners '91 WO MOTY there are no other NJPW matches from the 90's...not 1 Liger match for instance. And no Tiger Mask match. So, the 90's Jr. & TM negative viewpoints have reached the mainstream fans?

 

Edit: Never mind saw the TM Dynamite match in there

 

But even then, I get the feeling that's the only match that the list maker(s) saw from 80's NJPW. Like OK, this is the best that 80's NJ has to offer then, that's all I need to see!

 

I think it would have been better had they not numbered the list :)

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By checking this list on Reddit, it says it was done via cagematch ratings system and votes from people, also the posts were not upvoted much so I would suggest one reason for the seemingly random placements of Danielson Vs hero etc is that it was there based off its very high rating on cagematch, not people voting for it.

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By checking this list on Reddit, it says it was done via cagematch ratings system and votes from people, also the posts were not upvoted much so I would suggest one reason for the seemingly random placements of Danielson Vs hero etc is that it was there based off its very high rating on cagematch, not people voting for it.

 

Well, there you go. That list makes a lot more sense now.

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By checking this list on Reddit, it says it was done via cagematch ratings system and votes from people, also the posts were not upvoted much so I would suggest one reason for the seemingly random placements of Danielson Vs hero etc is that it was there based off its very high rating on cagematch, not people voting for it.

 

No it was only based on the votes. The Cagematch rating is only given as a note of interest.

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